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Real hurthling! posted:we get israel to bomb them and act hurt and surprised that they hid their bomb from us and then we tell israel they better not do it again or we'll be course with them in a letter. there is always the chance Israel actually does it if hez gets involved and starts tearing them up too. They'd have to do something to look muscular and they seem worse than the US at making remotely rational decisions. I wonder if even that would be a bridge too far for our tame Arab leaders trying to ignore Gaza. Lots of MSM pieces about how not every nuclear blast is the same and a sophisticated modern nuke is completely fine to use on a city and really just more efficient and economical compared to the comparable number of conventional bombs.
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Slavvy posted:Churchill was bursting with idiotic non-starter ideas yeah Explains why hes the touchstone so many Western leaders look to
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Slavvy posted:Lead up to WW1 but with nukes And a never ending shell crisis.
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KomradeX posted:There was a sovereign German nation after World War 2, and it died so German teens could wear blue jeans and listen to lovely American hair metal The Scorpions being remembered for the iconic anthem of German reunification and also famously having a naked child on one of their album covers really is something, eh?
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Actually listening to Churchill's speeches is funny because the quotes used everywhere seem to support the idea of him being some great orator. The sections are fine enough rousing pro-war speeches and sound good coming from actors, but actual Churchill speaking sounds like the alcoholic he was. More like someone's tedious drunken uncle about to pass out and barely knows what he is saying rambling on and on. We shall fight on the.. landing grounds?
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All of the anecdotes from his own class and cohort make that pretty clear. He was fondly remembered by people that didn't know him. That middle class boomers adore him is mostly a product of the 1960's. The man left office in disgrace and widely hated, for chrissakes.
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Frosted Flake posted:All of the anecdotes from his own class and cohort make that pretty clear. He was fondly remembered by people that didn't know him. It is still hilarious to me tbey had to bribe the London dock workers to raise the cranes in respect for him as the barge carrying his bloated corpse floated down the Thames or else they wouldn't have done it
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Frosted Flake posted:All of the anecdotes from his own class and cohort make that pretty clear. He was fondly remembered by people that didn't know him. Trump will be remembered the same way
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Slavvy posted:Trump will be remembered the same way oscars 2065 clip of timothée chalamet in the trump biopic, damien chazelle's final picture: "she just died? wow. i didn't know that. i'm just hearing that for the first time."
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Chalamet, quivering with intensity "there were good people...on both sides" *music swells*
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FWIW a lot of the Churchill speeches were given to parliament, not on the radio or anything, and the recordings we have were made like 10 years after the fact. Most people at the time experienced them via text.
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Optimistic to think America will still be making big budget movies then. Might have to see how China, Korea, whoever feels about Trump in their history books. Maybe he'll be remembered fondly for his part in loving up the empire. AI generated Ben Kingsley as Trump whose dumb inane statements get reinterpreted as enigmatic childlike wisdom. Either way I could definitely see Biden/Trump being used as dueling grandpas of the aging empire in movies.
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If Reagan is remembered as one of the greats, Trump will be remembered as a great prez too. Also USS Trump if they can still build carrier.
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Sending my kids to Donald J Trump Elementary
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skooma512 posted:Agreed. Useless and needlessly escalatory. Here's the thing though: I think an escalation spiral exactly like that already happened with the strategic bombing of cities in WW2. Firstly the US issued an appeal to all combatants to confine their bombing to military targets. France, the UK and also Germany agreed to abide by it, but the latter also said bombing Warsaw counted as a military target because it was a fortified city. Then during the Sitzkrieg both sides limited bombing to primarily naval targets and some airports. Civilians died, but weren't the target. Then comes Fall Gelb, where German paratrooper actions in Rotterdam and around The Hague fail to achieve their operational objectives, which in turn threatens to slow the German advance enough to lead to a repeat of WW1. The German response is to threaten bombing Rotterdam, twice, to no effect. Then the Germans actually bomb Rotterdam. However, there was fighting around Rotterdam at the time, had been fighting in Rotterdam, and the city contained strategic bridges, so there was still some fig leaf as to it being within the laws of warfare at the time. On the other hand the Germans issued new threats to do the same to Utrecht, which led to Dutch surrender. The British response was to change policy to now also bomb civilian infrastructure vital to the war effort, such as oil plants and other civilian industrial targets. The Germans are still focusing on the battle of France at this point, and don't start bombing similar British targets until June 1940. They are explicitly prohibited from bombing London, hoping the UK will come to terms. In August the Blitz against the RAF and supporting infrastructure properly gets under way. As part of this more and more raids take place at night, and targets in suburban London are hit. The next night the RAF hits an airfield and a Siemens factory in Berlin for the first time. They were perceived as deliberately targetting civilians due to their inaccuracy. This is then responded to by a mass bombing raid against the London docks, technically a military target, but also clearly with the intention to terrorize the civilian population into submission. From there, strategic bombing against cities becomes accepted practice on both sides for the remainder of the war and beyond, leading to "de-housing" campaigns and ultimately the destruction of drat near every building in North Korea. I feel this is a pretty good case study of how using a low-yield nuke or a tactical nuke would go in practice. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 10:08 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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cock hero flux posted:to be fair some of them involve the president being insane or the US just loving up and launching all the nukes accidentally These are what we call the plausible scenario's. Frosted Flake posted:All of the anecdotes from his own class and cohort make that pretty clear. He was fondly remembered by people that didn't know him. Imagine winning a war against evil and still not being able to get reelected. Churchill is like a male Hillary. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 10:15 on Nov 14, 2023 |
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Beating an evil empire isn't that impressive when you're the leader of an evil empire yourself
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Kassad posted:Beating an evil empire isn't that impressive when you're the leader of an evil empire yourself It is if you're wearing a Voltron robot suit while you do it.
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Orange Devil posted:
I didn't know this and that's interesting considering how huge the strategic bombing campaigns by the US ended up being. Then after WW2 strategic bombing has been a major part of US strategy.
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today i learned china added an entire france of energy production by their newly added renewables in 2023, and still massively accelerating upwards then i also remember australia getting their first used sub in 2040, which is not even a given by then lol lmao
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https://twitter.com/perdricof/status/1724177613931860236?t=eAJT3AAS8F8R_-qCM1TWXw&s=19 https://twitter.com/perdricof/status/1724180600075030541?t=J_cHT7an-CvRO8DLDFxgXg&s=19
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im also the most original rhetorical questioner
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Even a google search won't tell me who this random nobody is.
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Weird how all the NATO countries keep concluding that what they need is just more Volkssturm.
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Frosted Flake posted:All of the anecdotes from his own class and cohort make that pretty clear. He was fondly remembered by people that didn't know him. Leo Amery, Tory Colonial Secretary posted:On the subject of India, Winston is not quite sane … I didn’t see much difference between his outlook and Hitler’s.
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reminder to start getting government jobs.
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Growing threat of North Korea? Are they expected to invade the Philippines or something now? Though if either Korea wants to invade Japan that should be considered acceptable war reparations since they were never held accountable.
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FuzzySlippers posted:Growing threat of North Korea? Are they expected to invade the Philippines or something now? I think they're just shocked that artillery shells aren't lostech for them
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The latest USA drones are on the pricier side. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/cca-loyal-wingmen-drones-to-cost-quarter-to-third-of-an-f-35 "The rough expected cost of a single CCA will be "on the order of a quarter or a third" of the current unit cost of an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter." Too expensive to risk in actual combat really. Much like the f35. Plus I guess it might rain.
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Lol isn't that literally more expensive than an f16? But still cheaper and easier than convincing people to die for their country
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Slavvy posted:Lol isn't that literally more expensive than an f16? No, unless you mean buying a used jet from a 90s lot. New manned jets cost a lot. The new F-16s cost almost as much as an F-35 to buy (but presumably cheaper to maintain). If you take the 1980s/90s price of a legacy F-16 and choose not to adjust for inflation, that does make them look very cheap though.
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DancingShade posted:The latest USA drones are on the pricier side. lol incredible
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I know the couple million in costs per pilot from training used to be thought a significant expense but if you are talking about them flying a 75+ million dollar plane  I expect some Western country will reinvent mercenaries as app gig workers before long. The US military isn't full of foreign mercs they are just more efficient and use per task independent contractors. Plus with "mercenaries" it might imply they are part of a mercenary company, but these guys will be independent who definitely don't get any benefits and you don't have to worry about them if they get captured or shot. Shoulda read the EULA more thoroughly. Maybe the IDF will come up with it as a way to get their infantry screen. Individual soldiers can outsource getting out of the tank to gig workers. Though Palestinians used to do the poo poo jobs in their economy so that might be a problem unless they want to accidentally turn over their military to Hamas in a goofy bugs bunny kinda way. Those Indian workers they are sending in to take over the poo poo jobs need to be wary of new gig options.
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FuzzySlippers posted:I know the couple million in costs per pilot from training used to be thought a significant expense but if you are talking about them flying a 75+ million dollar plane IIRC during the occupation of Iraq a lot of military contractors would hire pacific islanders but wouldn't tell them they were going to work on US bases in Iraq until they were there and their passports were securely locked away.
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How do you fly the royal wingman, from ground or from a F35? Or its going to be a running on Ace Combat AI? China is building a 2 seater J20 to control their fighter drone.
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stephenthinkpad posted:How do you fly the royal wingman, from ground or from a F35? Or its going to be a running on Ace Combat AI? Presumably from the F-35, at least that's the idea. The F-35 was first marketed as cheap, with a shorter development cycle. Developing and making F-35s was marketed as cheaper than maintaining F-22s. Then when people started laughing at this, they started marketing the F-35 as extremely high performance. Then when people started laughing at that, they started marketing the F-35 as invisible. Then when China proved they can intercept them effortlessly, they started marketing them as a big flying computer, and that everything else is a bonus, the real point is "network-centric warfare".
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Is there not a two-seater f35 option? If it is one plane to replace everything I thought that would be an option since doesn't that come up sometimes?sullat posted:IIRC during the occupation of Iraq a lot of military contractors would hire pacific islanders but wouldn't tell them they were going to work on US bases in Iraq until they were there and their passports were securely locked away. They just needed the innovation to add a few billion dollars of Silicon Valley app grifting on top of that.
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FuzzySlippers posted:Is there not a two-seater f35 option? If it is one plane to replace everything I thought that would be an option since doesn't that come up sometimes? Hell no. Two pilots is twice as many as one, and that's not an efficient way to divert money from soldier salaries to MIC. It's all about reducing staffing: one pilot to replace 5-6, that kinda thing. For a perfect example, compare the EA-6B Prowler and the EA-18G Growler. They are both electronic warfare aircraft, fulfilling the exact same mission, with the exact same hardware. The airframe is different, but the jamming pods are the same. The Prowler had 1 pilot and 3 operators. The Growler has 1 pilot and 1 operator. For the same workload. Arguably a harder job, actually, since more modern anti-air and radar systems exist, and the jamming pod is the same.
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