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but what about an advanced trainer or squadron hack?
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What if your wingman gets hit and has to eject, and you have to land your plane, fight on the ground, and rescue him? The only way back is to steal an older 2-seater plane and fly back to friendly territory which just isn't realistic.
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Nov 15, 2023 01:13
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you fly him home in harrier mode hanging off the nose like true lies
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Presumably from the F-35, at least that's the idea. I remember those pivots as they happened one after the other. Hell there are some great zingers in the original f35 thread here on sa somewhere. The f35 is truly one of the airplanes that exist.
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Nov 15, 2023 01:18
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What happens to your network centric warfare if global communications are disrupted? The Chinese idea of having an extra guy in a fighter plane nearby seems a hell of a lot better.
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Nov 15, 2023 01:19
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FuzzySlippers posted:What happens to your network centric warfare if global communications are disrupted? The Chinese idea of having an extra guy in a fighter plane nearby seems a hell of a lot better. That's impossible with superior western technologies. Superior! Why yes I did outsource everything overseas decades ago why do you ask? The original designer? I think he died of old age last decade. How does it work? Hell kid I just run things do I look like one of the Chinese Indian fellas we hire to make widgets?
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Nov 15, 2023 01:45
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lol loving GPS and comms are jammed in Ukraine but everybody thinks this poo poo is going to work in a real war. It's deluded.
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DancingShade posted:That's impossible with superior western technologies. lol when the entire IT industry is filled to the brim of "we can't fix broken stuff because the original developer is long gone"
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DancingShade posted:The latest USA drones are on the pricier side. helper ships or "options" are absolutely the next step in turning fighters into actual shmup avatars. please page me when they make an f35 that transforms into a robot, thank you
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The best Clancy-style WW3 book I ever read was like 10-ish years ago and I don't recall the title, but it had hacking of network centric warfare as a major component of the Chinese attack (with minimal Russian help). It seems actually more credible the dumber everything gets. As I recall there's some political standoff going on and the pacific fleet is deployed so it isn't the usual perfidious oriental random surprise attack, but the Chinese still manage to completely wipe the US in the initial phase. They had been slowly hacking all the various US systems either through hardware backdoors or by using unsecured devices people inevitably take everywhere like cell phones, mp3 players, flash drives etc to hack air gapped systems (like the Iranian nuclear plant hack). At zero hour they turn off all that poo poo. They had also been laboriously mapping all US military satellites and they take those out manually instead of something like nuclear EMP blasts that gently caress everyone. They even cap some American who was randomly at the ISS which I thought was funny. Since absolutely all US hardware is thoroughly networked it is helpless and they annihilate the pacific fleet and any planes in US bases in Asia are destroyed. Little of the anti-missile/etc network backup options actually worked when required (not that different from the IDF getting hosed when their network lines were cut). The only place they engage with troops is Hawaii where a force lands and takes the bases there. By the time the US gets everything back up and can get randy about nuclear options the Chinese offer the current status of the US kicked out of Asia and the pacific as a fait accompli peace. No goofy invasion of California or anything. Since they were careful to avoid disruption to other countries as they could and a full total WW3 means the end of global trade, other countries and the business community scream at the US to accept (this was before we made Europe thoroughly our bitch again). This is to setup a goofy Expendables/ BSG third act where a bunch of old guys come out of retirement to get the old cold war ships running again. They head off and gloriously defeat the Chinese in Hawaii. I think the peace does happen basically the same but at least the US keeps Hawaii so they don't have to redo all the flags. Considering how it is constantly revealed that so much in the defense industry has been quietly outsourced to China via cheap rear end contractors and how poorly most contemporary US hardware works it isn't that far-fetched. Really the most implausible idea is that the Chinese have to bother attacking us and won't just wait for us to own-goal ourselves to death.
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lol does anyone remember the first part of the Battlestar Galactica Miniseries? It's like that, but a whole corporate class of Gaius Baltars have been at the reins for decades.
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You got to bring some old battleships and carriers out of the museums to fight the commies. Also that Black bird in the DC Smithsonian.
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Frosted Flake posted:lol loving GPS and comms are jammed in Ukraine but everybody thinks this poo poo is going to work in a real war. It's deluded. Not only will gps be jammed, the satellites will straight up be shot down. China's developing essentially TELs that can launch satellites, all they have to do is destroy Cape Canaveral and Vandenberg and we'd be absolutely hosed
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FuzzySlippers posted:What happens to your network centric warfare if global communications are disrupted? The Chinese idea of having an extra guy in a fighter plane nearby seems a hell of a lot better. This is a plot point in Top Gun: Maverick. They couldn't use the F-35 because the enemy had jamming. I was surprised that line made it past the censors.
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BearsBearsBears posted:This is a plot point in Top Gun: Maverick. They couldn't use the F-35 because the enemy
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Justin Tyme posted:Not only will gps be jammed, the satellites will straight up be shot down. China's developing essentially TELs that can launch satellites, all they have to do is destroy Cape Canaveral and Vandenberg and we'd be absolutely hosed
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Do we have to use any of the dick rocket companies to launch satellites or does the gov still have that capacity? Presumably any private company has shareholders who also do business in China and they can be told to knock it off any time China likes.
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cat botherer posted:What does TEL stand for? it's those vehicles missile launchers, something erect launcher. track erect launcher?
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no lube so what posted:it's those vehicles missile launchers, something erect launcher. track erect launcher?
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if they somehow blow up those places i think something else might occur afterwards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transporter_erector_launcher
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cat botherer posted:So like dick rockets? aren't they all?
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While I was in the Navy there was a ship that hit a sandbar leaving port because they were 100% relying on electronic positioning instead of setting a proper watch and verifying things visually, except the techs in charge of the navigation gear hadnt properly calibrated anything in months. The US is absolutely not prepared to lose GPS
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Justin Tyme posted:Not only will gps be jammed, the satellites will straight up be shot down. China's developing essentially TELs that can launch satellites, all they have to do is destroy Cape Canaveral and Vandenberg and we'd be absolutely hosed If China destroyed launch sites on both coasts we’ve probably already gone nuclear anyway.
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The Voice of Labor posted:aren't they all? There are dick looking rockets and then there are dick rockets. Some rockets that look like penises help you do poo poo in space and others just let rich guys pretend to gently caress space. If there's a phallus free space future we're pretty far from it.
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Frosted Flake posted:lol does anyone remember the first part of the Battlestar Galactica Miniseries? Yes and yes.
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Thoguh posted:If China destroyed launch sites on both coasts we’ve probably already gone nuclear anyway. Let's outsource the nuclear deterrent next.
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DancingShade posted:Let's outsource the nuclear deterrent next. "With my patented Nukes as a Service..." Cloud based nukes that do not violate international treaties!
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You know what, I gotta come back to the pricetag of the wingman drones. We made fun of it being 1/3 of an F-35. The thing is there's no way it will be that cheap. The article mentions that the F-35's price is around $70 million on paper, but that doesn't include the engine, which in itself is amazing. With an engine, it's $82. 1/3 of $82 is $27 million. For comparison, an MQ-9 Reaper - this thing:  Costs $36 million. You may notice that it's a lazy propeller, made to hover over Afghanistan and shoot brown people with Hellfires. It is not a high performance combat jet. It carries a thermal camera, not a sensor suite including radar. It does not have EW jammers. It does not have flares. It does not have sophisticated networking capabilities or AI. It is not stealth, and you loving know that they won't be able to resist making the wingman drone stealth. It's probably going to come out at a similar price-point to an F-35, when all is said and done. That's still cheaper than having a pilot, but it's going to be comically expensive.  You could also look at the cost of the MQ-28 Ghost Bat, referenced in the article as a starting point to establishing what the US Air Force actually wants. Australia purchased some. I'm not sure how much the first 3 cost them, but the next 3 cost them $115 (Australian) or $89 (US). This works out to $30m USD each. Expensive, but not outrageous. Problem is that Australia then bought 7 more, which cost them $315m USD - so $45m each. So that's economies of scale for you. You may also notice that the Ghost Bat has only done a few flight tests, and is absolutely not a finished product. I don't think they've even done a weapons test. They say you can swap the nose for different kinds of weapons, but I don't think they've ever shown a picture of a weapon. Zeppelin Insanity has issued a correction as of 04:11 on Nov 15, 2023 |
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frozenphil posted:"With my patented Nukes as a Service..." Nukes 2 go. Dashnuke. Bespoke nukes to order, lead times of 6-8 weeks. Buy now and pay off in 4 easy installments. 2 year warranty. Not user serviceable. Problems? Call our nuke genius bunker for weekday phone tech support between 8 and 5.
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https://twitter.com/jonnysocialism/status/1724522869001175368
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Give tumbleweed an nsn number quick. We've got an inspection this week and the shelves are bare!
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sorry, we need those missiles to murder children. sucks to be you, Chinese Taipei.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:You know what, I gotta come back to the pricetag of the wingman drones. Yeah plus defense projects at this stage are always way under priced. It's like those car commercials that say MSRP starts at X and they mean without extras like AC, radio, and more than 1 seat (the no engine cost of the F35 thrown around is hilarious). Once there's enough sunk cost it'll balloon. You know also when comparing the cost they'll go with the most high ball cost of training a pilot possible plus maybe some dollar value for political cost so they can confidently state the drone is cheaper and worth pursuing. I know the American MIC can innovate in the cheap drone space to make sure it's better than cheap: behold American luxury drones
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 america furiously riffling through its attic to quickly pull out a terribly dusty and dogeared copy of the Shanghai Communiqué Hubbert has issued a correction as of 04:34 on Nov 15, 2023 |
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I couldn't find a source for that statement. The googling revealed, however, that the US reiterates that they do not support Taiwanese independence every few months, and have for years, which is also funny in a different way.
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i think we just lost ww3 
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Scarabrae posted:i think we just lost ww3 Just, yes.
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Ooh is this why Xi is getting the red carpet treatment this week
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:I couldn't find a source for that statement. Press Gaggle by Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre and NSC Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby En Route San Francisco, CA posted:
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