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OneMoreTime posted:I sometimes think the best place to be as a football fan is to have a team that is consistently like 11-6 and gets knocked out in the divisional round every year. Like they're good, enjoyable team to watch but you have some expectation that they can't go all the way so the inevitable playoff defeat isn't crushing. It also helps if you have a QB that isn't the future but isn't bad either so like the 2015-2018 Chiefs fits this bill. The saints experienced both of these realities during the 2010s and let me tell you, you are utterly wrong. A superbowl win heals all wounds, even if you're crap a year or two later.
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OneMoreTime posted:I sometimes think the best place to be as a football fan is to have a team that is consistently like 11-6 and gets knocked out in the divisional round every year. Like they're good, enjoyable team to watch but you have some expectation that they can't go all the way so the inevitable playoff defeat isn't crushing. It also helps if you have a QB that isn't the future but isn't bad either so like the 2015-2018 Chiefs fits this bill. Nah, I think the Chargers are doing great! Good team effort! Keep it up!!! really queer Christmas posted:The saints experienced both of these realities during the 2010s and let me tell you, you are utterly wrong. A superbowl win heals all wounds, even if you're crap a year or two later. 2015 was a hell of a monkey paw
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really queer Christmas posted:The saints experienced both of these realities during the 2010s and let me tell you, you are utterly wrong. A superbowl win heals all wounds, even if you're crap a year or two later. As a Pats fan I find the current shitshow in Foxboro freakin’ hilarious, that Germany game was performance art
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is pepsi ok posted:There's a story in the book The Essential Smart Football about Sean Payton coaching his kid's 6th grade football team while he was suspended for bountygate. He easily beat every team during the regular season except for one that ran the single wing. I can't help but picture Gruden and Peyton yelling 10 word playcalls at an 11 year old. Gruden: "I said... scatter to west right tight f left 352 y stick spider z spot banana! What is so hard about that?!!! JESUS gently caress!!"
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I can't help but picture Gruden and Peyton yelling 10 word playcalls at an 11 year old. I told them to work them into controller codes for Fortnite but they just got a confused look on their faces and asked me what two weeks had to do with getting the verbiage down on the playcalls.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I can't help but picture Gruden and Peyton yelling 10 word playcalls at an 11 year old. There's a gif somewhere of Brett Favre hollering at some teenage kid to throw the ball the right way and finishing with "GOD DAMNIT!"
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is pepsi ok posted:There's a story in the book The Essential Smart Football about Sean Payton coaching his kid's 6th grade football team while he was suspended for bountygate. He easily beat every team during the regular season except for one that ran the single wing. Dudes Rock Imagine you're a middle school gym teacher and you're 2-0 against a Super Bowl winning coach in pee-wee
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I'm just imagining this other team having 3-4 Myles Garrett looking dudes while Gruden and Payton are desperately trying to figure out why their scheme isn't working.
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Manoueverable posted:I agree with your other points but the Seahawks are one of the teams that's been here for most of the last 8 years and it's more or less football purgatory to know you'll probably make the playoffs every year but never be any real threat to win it all. There's a lot of stability in the organization because of the consistency but it's always been a double-edged sword. OH yeah, more than one team can fit that description for sure, I just used those teams because well, I'm a fan of the Chiefs, and yeah totally a double edged sword
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OneMoreTime posted:I sometimes think the best place to be as a football fan is to have a team that is consistently like 11-6 and gets knocked out in the divisional round every year. Like they're good, enjoyable team to watch but you have some expectation that they can't go all the way so the inevitable playoff defeat isn't crushing. And ask any fan of any franchise who spent years in that position: it's not as fun as you think. Every season is futile and you never get to sniff the Super Bowl, so what's the goddamn point?
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CapnAndy posted:rebuilds happen in a year or two in today's league. Your time in the wilderness will be likely be very short.  Why don’t you just luck your way into an elite QB?
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As a fan of a team that has spent most of its existence in the dumpster, winning games is very fun and anyone who thinks their team should win fewer games is a giant idiot who doesn't know how good they have it.
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Steichen rules. Colts should be 6-4 if not for the refs screwing them against the Browns. This is with pretty much most of the same guys from last year with an even worse secondary. He's really getting everything he can from all of the players and running a great offense even with a limited QB.
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CapnAndy posted:and rebuilds happen in a year or two in today's league. Your time in the wilderness will be likely be very short. But a continual playoff also-ran? You've got good players, not great, but they're still good and they've still got to be paid, and at the end of the day, the only difference between getting knocked out in the divisional round and finishing last is that you get a much shittier draft pick. Citation needed here on the first bit for a few teams I'm guessing. But yeah I spent 25 years watching the Chiefs in more or less the same position we're talking about and by far the most fun as a whole were the Marty Schottenheimer years at the time, even though you knew he was flaming out in the playoffs. 2003 was the most fun season during that 25 year span under Vermeil, but that was never going to hold up. There's a reason people loved Marty even though he never won anything other than a whole lot of regular season games. Diva Cupcake posted:
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Acebuckeye13 posted:As a fan of a team that has spent most of its existence* in the dumpster, winning games is very fun and anyone who thinks their team should win fewer games is a giant idiot who doesn't know how good they have it. Same *this millennium
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As the great(?) Herm Edwards said, you play to win the game.
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I don't think it's complicated, it boils down to it's a lot more fun cheering for a team on an upwards trajectory than watching to see if they'll finally get over the hump this time around. It doesn't really matter too much if the hump is "more than 6 wins" or "the NFCCG", coming up short is exhausting in its own way compared to going further every time. Obviously no one's gonna have any sympathy for the perennial winners who can't get it done in the playoffs, and I'm not saying there should be sympathy for them. Just saying the fun/hype factor is a lot different when your team is going through not the playoffs -> playoffs -> winning playoff games compared to when you're going not the playoffs -> not the playoffs -> not the playoffs, or brutal playoff loss -> brutal playoff loss -> brutal playoff loss.
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Yeah. Ask Cowboys fans how happy they are about making the playoffs most years but last seeing the NFCCG in 1995. It's better than the absolute hell tier like the Browns where you keep getting top 5 picks and somehow NEVER GET BETTER. But knowing you have divisional round tattooed on your forehead as your absolute ceiling makes the whole exercise feel pointless. I was huge into baseball when I was younger and this was the late 90s/early 2000s Red Sox most years. No matter how good and exciting they were, they were still going to run into the Yankees buzzsaw at some point and die. It was infuriating. The worst thing the Patriots could have done this year was win like 9 games, steal a wild card spot, and lose. The whole thing needs to be blown up and middling success would just drag it out. The "upward trajectory" comment is good. Yes obviously winning games is good but ideally it is in service of eventually making a deep playoff run and not just kind of hanging out on life support
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CapnAndy posted:It is not. I've argued before that it is, in fact, the exact opposite: that is the absolute worst case scenario. A truly bad team has a lot of cap space and draft picks, and rebuilds happen in a year or two in today's league. Your time in the wilderness will be likely be very short. But a continual playoff also-ran? You've got good players, not great, but they're still good and they've still got to be paid, and at the end of the day, the only difference between getting knocked out in the divisional round and finishing last is that you get a much shittier draft pick. I think for me it just comes down to liking my team winning games vs. not, and doing my best not to get overly invested so I feel terrible when they lose. Like I know that practically every other team and fan would like to be in the Chiefs' position right now but it's honestly it's very hard for me to watch them specifically because it feels like every game SHOULD be a win, and so it feels terrible when it's a loss or even a sloppy win. Part of this comes down to personal circumstance: I'm a nurse who works an incredibly stressful job and the last thing I need is to have another source of stress come from one of my hobbies. I think that's why I preferred rooting for those Alex Smith Chiefs, the wins came but there was no expectations. At the same time though, I think my heart would give out if I had to watch the Chargers given what they consistently put their fans through. Once again, I totally get why people would be like "lol that's dumb" but hey, that's how I feel.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I don't think it's complicated, it boils down to it's a lot more fun cheering for a team on an upwards trajectory than watching to see if they'll finally get over the hump this time around. It doesn't really matter too much if the hump is "more than 6 wins" or "the NFCCG", coming up short is exhausting in its own way compared to going further every time. I think I agree with this, those mid 2010s Chiefs teams had that up and coming energy.
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MaximilianK posted:I am ready for the Jerod Mayo experience no no more belichick stuff please
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Some people never grew up in the Rick Mirer era and it shows
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Grittybeard posted:I mean for a Jets fan the first couple of Rex Ryan years are probably pretty goddamned good memories. ...and then things fell apart as they do. At the end you're left with another championship caliber defense that was wasted on not having a good enough QB. Much like last year. And this year.
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Maybe more teams should try to emulate the Patriots and win a whole bunch. I don't know maybe hire one of their coordinators and see if they can install the "Patriot Way" in your organization.
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https://twitter.com/JoeBuscaglia/status/1724853998455321038 This is how you talk when your startup is clearly failing but you gotta keep the VC money flowing for another month
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Benne posted:https://twitter.com/JoeBuscaglia/status/1724853998455321038 Shams is branching out into NFL scoopsterism
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Score a victory for AI because I can't tell if that's something a real person said or if it was written by ChatGPT.
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Simplex posted:Maybe more teams should try to emulate the Patriots and win a whole bunch. I don't know maybe hire one of their coordinators and see if they can install the "Patriot Way" in your organization.
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Benne posted:https://twitter.com/JoeBuscaglia/status/1724853998455321038 The defense is the inverse: it plays pretty well for 40-50 minutes, but none of which is the final 2-5 minutes. That's the process, I say they synergize well to maximize delivery of excitement to consumers. Kurgarra Queen fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Nov 15, 2023 |
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Fire the wife too https://x.com/mike_e_kaye/status/1724870748794134784?s=46&t=JBd6ZXmGQ3LmWL-ineTnAA
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Simplex posted:Score a victory for AI because I can't tell if that's something a real person said or if it was written by ChatGPT. quote:🏈 Exciting News for [Team Name] Fans! 🏈
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FizFashizzle posted:Fire the wife too It’s insane how involved not just the owner is but his partner too.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:It’s insane how involved not just the owner is but his partner too. Maybe it's only because more attention is being drawn to it, but it seems like they're getting more involved the worse the team gets. If Fitterer gets canned I wouldn't be shocked if one of the Teppers took over as GM
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OneMoreTime posted:Ok, so do you think McDermott is going to be fired? Truthfully no. At this point its more of a fan thing than a feeling within their ownership. The having 12 men on the field thing at first glance seems like the ultimate own and a fireable offense but its not as simple as that. McDermott made two big defensive mistakes at the end of that game. The first was sending an all out blitz on 3rd down when the all out blitz was wildly successful on 2nd and knocked the Broncos out of fg range. The 2nd is having 12 men regardless of whether the responsibility for it was on the ST coach any 12 man penalty like that the HC has to own. The Defense has horrendous injuries and are constantly being left on the field or put in terrible situations but are playing as hard as they can. I think OVERALL McDermott is actually good at calling defensive plays. Also true that he's the head coach of the entire team and what he's saying i think in that tweet is that the Offense isnt playing like they give a poo poo about the team which is...true but is an indictment of McDermott too. The biggest danger for McDermott is that a fissure between the offense and defense might erupt like with the Seahawks back in the day. Him specifically talking about the Offense subculture, Latavius Murray calling an Offensive players only meeting when he barely just got there. These are worrying signs.
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It's generally a bad thing when you've been on the job for 7 years with multiple deep playoff runs and you're still talking about "culture." Something is rotten in that organization.
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Benne posted:It's generally a bad thing when you've been on the job for 7 years with multiple deep playoff runs and you're still talking about "culture." Something is rotten in that organization. I do think it's telling that the Bengals, for example, have the same expectations and have struggled similarly but there's no obvious panic.
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Benne posted:It's generally a bad thing when you've been on the job for 7 years with multiple deep playoff runs and you're still talking about "culture." Something is rotten in that organization. I'm going to cross-post this from the AFC East thread. It's a little rambling, but Sharp is alleging that McDermott has probably been meddling in the offense for a while and hated Daboll and essentially blamed the offense for falling short in 2020. Daboll probably pushed back hard, but Dorsey was more pliable, and for worse. Basically that McD has classic defensive coordinator brain worms and is obsessed with the offense playing "complimentary football" i.e. running the ball more and generally taking a more conservative approach that discourages risk-taking (especially by Josh) and early-down passing. He backs this up by citing some of McD's own statements in press conferences, particularly his end-of-season conference in 2020 where he said they needed to "start over" on offense. I basically agree, for what it's worth, insofar as the team's problems all lead back to its head coach. Again, I don't think he'll be fired barring a total collapse, but I personally think this team won't go anywhere until he's gone.
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