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HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Jack Trades posted:

If there's a turn-based sale will there be a turn-cringe sale?

Mods??

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FutureCop
Jun 7, 2011

Have you heard of Fermat's principle?
I noticed that Bioshock 2 was on sale for $4. I've heard pretty good things about it, particularly its gameplay, and as someone who enjoyed Bioshock 1 (but have to admit I never actually finished it past the twist) I'm quite interested: would y'all say it is worth it? I did notice that the only way to purchase it is in a bundle with the remastered version, but people are really negative on the remaster saying it's a bad port: should I just stick with the classic version, and if so, it is playable on modern without much issue?

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013

Jack Trades posted:

If there's a turn-based sale will there be a turn-cringe sale?


Away all Goats posted:

It's called Midnight Suns

Orv
May 4, 2011

FutureCop posted:

I noticed that Bioshock 2 was on sale for $4. I've heard pretty good things about it, particularly its gameplay, and as someone who enjoyed Bioshock 1 (but have to admit I never actually finished it past the twist) I'm quite interested: would y'all say it is worth it? I did notice that the only way to purchase it is in a bundle with the remastered version, but people are really negative on the remaster saying it's a bad port: should I just stick with the classic version, and if so, it is playable on modern without much issue?

Bioshock 2 has some cool ideas and some extremely cool set pieces but as an overall game it’s just pretty fine. The DLC, Minerva’s Den, is easily the best piece of Bioshock that exists but even it is just pretty good. If you liked 1 well enough there’s probably something in both the base game and the DLC you’ll enjoy.

I dunno if the remasters ever got meaningfully fixed up but the old version runs well enough afaik.

Jossar
Apr 2, 2018

Current status: Angry about subs :argh:
Everybody's talking about the turn-based sale, while not talking about the tragedy that is Last Train Home being desynched from this, Czech & Slovak Games Week.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

I've tried to get into Midnight Suns a couple times, but it's never grabbed me. The cards thing is alright, but I never thought Xcom needed more dialogue trees much less a platonic dating game. As much as I played it seemed like in Midnight Suns base building was mostly replaced with dialogue trees you click through to manage relationships which is what upgrades your units. None of it was very interesting.

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Yeah midnight suns was neat but XCOM 3 it ain't. Maybe it's the closest we'll get to it though.

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

TeaJay posted:

Thanks for the highlight, I tried it and it seems like fun. I personally never played Everquest, only got into MMORPG's with GW1 and later on LoTRO, but I still recognize the style. The game is quite janky, using the chat and moving your character is a bit of a chore but I'm sure a lot of it is by design. Gonna play the actual game when it releases for sure.

I was pretty impressed how smart the AI players were. Someone was looking to buy an item I just found in the first dungeon, so I said "I have one, come to well" and sure enough, they replied they're OTW and met me there to trade. I wonder how complex chat you can have? How complex is even needed? Thinking about all those times in GW1 I tried to meet up with some guy only for them to be in a different district... you even get to use a parser here.

I'm a big fan of Gedonia and this reminded me a bit of it in terms of some slight jank and graphic style.

Yeah I'm buying this. Even if I only get 5 hours of nostalgia good times that sounds good to me

e: oh it's only a total demo now

Barreft fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Nov 15, 2023

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

FutureCop posted:

I noticed that Bioshock 2 was on sale for $4. I've heard pretty good things about it, particularly its gameplay, and as someone who enjoyed Bioshock 1 (but have to admit I never actually finished it past the twist) I'm quite interested: would y'all say it is worth it? I did notice that the only way to purchase it is in a bundle with the remastered version, but people are really negative on the remaster saying it's a bad port: should I just stick with the classic version, and if so, it is playable on modern without much issue?

Bioshock 2 pros:

- Better all around gameplay. You dual wield a gun and a plasmid simultaneously, hacking is simplified into a QTE that doesn't bump you over into a separate minigame.
- Maps are generally prettier and flow better, if also being a little smaller/more linear at times.
- Has a fantastic special story section that almost nobody talks about.

Bioshock 2 cons:

- The narrative, while not godawful, is undeniably weaker and there's a lot of reliance on introducing new characters that were totally there the whole time, even in the first game, you just never heard about them before.
- Since you're playing a Big Daddy, instead of doing the kill Big Daddy -> save/harvest Little Sister routine, now there's an extra step where you have to watch over her gathering ADAM while Splicers attack. Most people hate this, though I will say a good deal of the arsenal in 2 allows for laying down traps and supports the concept of point defense really well, so YMMV.

Basically, at least imo, the two games compliment each other really well. The stuff 1 fumbles a bit is much improved, but 2 struggles to reach the heights of 1's story.

You're correct in that everything I've heard about the remasters are that they're buggy as poo poo with busted audio and all sorts of issues. It's been a while since I've tried running the originals, but I think allegedly they're showing their age and might have trouble on newer versions of Windows. (Might only be the first game, idk.) But I'd definitely try the original first, checking for any fixes as needed, unless you're allergic to older-looking games.

Mr.Acula
May 10, 2009

Billions and billions of fat clouds

explosivo posted:

Yeah midnight suns was neat but XCOM 3 it ain't. Maybe it's the closest we'll get to it though.

This reminds me i still need to finish Mario + Rabbids

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

John Murdoch posted:

- Since you're playing a Big Daddy, instead of doing the kill Big Daddy -> save/harvest Little Sister routine, now there's an extra step where you have to watch over her gathering ADAM while Splicers attack. Most people hate this, though I will say a good deal of the arsenal in 2 allows for laying down traps and supports the concept of point defense really well, so YMMV.

This is the whole reason to play the game IMO, you're scouting the entire level, collecting resources and picking the point which is the most defensible, then you're using those resources to build your fortress and then you play a little horde mode against a bunch of splicers.

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

FutureCop posted:

I noticed that Bioshock 2 was on sale for $4. I've heard pretty good things about it, particularly its gameplay, and as someone who enjoyed Bioshock 1 (but have to admit I never actually finished it past the twist) I'm quite interested: would y'all say it is worth it? I did notice that the only way to purchase it is in a bundle with the remastered version, but people are really negative on the remaster saying it's a bad port: should I just stick with the classic version, and if so, it is playable on modern without much issue?

It's pretty good. It depends on what you liked about Bioshock 1 though, if it was the critique of objectivism then 2's critique of collectivism will feel half-hearted and not nearly as well thought out. Bioshock 2 does tell a more personal story though and despite playing as a Big Daddy, I'd say that Delta has more depth and agency than Jack ever did imo. The games compliment each other pretty well, even if it does run into the problem of Sofia Lamb suddenly being a major player in Rapture politics but was never mentioned in the first game.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Finished the main storyline of Marvel's Spider-Man the other day. Good game, probably has better dialogue, characters, and plot than most of the garbage Marvel has put out in the past four years. My main complaint involves the stability, it crashed several times, and at one point my savefile got corrupted. I had to verify the game files to be able to continue.

I see they included some (all?) of the DLC in the Steam release, which is nice. I guess I'll play the Black Cat story next. I'm not familiar with this character, but judging from her appearance in the main story, I'm guessing I'm in for several hours of her going "tee hee you can't catch me Spidey" and it'll end with me getting tricked somehow. I'm ready to have my expectations subverted, but I really, really doubt that that's going to happen.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Phlegmish posted:

Finished the main storyline of Marvel's Spider-Man the other day. Good game, probably has better dialogue, characters, and plot than most of the garbage Marvel has put out in the past four years. My main complaint involves the stability, it crashed several times, and at one point my savefile got corrupted. I had to verify the game files to be able to continue.
The story left a bad taste in my mouth re: Osborn not ending up a smear on the pavement. I know it's intentional but can we just get some left-wing superheroes?

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib

anilEhilated posted:

The story left a bad taste in my mouth re: Osborn not ending up a smear on the pavement. I know it's intentional but can we just get some left-wing superheroes?

Putting aside if he had it coming or not, I think if you want a superhero that kills people, Spider-man is probably as far from that as you can possibly get.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Unlucky7 posted:

Putting aside if he had it coming or not, I think if you want a superhero that kills people, Spider-man is probably as far from that as you can possibly get.
Yeah, I'm aware of that, but the story is just constructed in a specific way that makes me uncomfortable. I think it's been the case with several of the Marvel movies too - they try to give the villain nuance by giving them understandable backgrounds and ideologies and eventually realize "oops, this guy is in the right" so they have them do something completely insane and nonsensical to make the hero justified in beating them up. Osborn is easily the most repulsive character in the story and he gets away scot-free.

Realistic, sure, realism is extremely important in a comic book game.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."
Arguably the MCU movies have the opposite problem where they almost all kill the antagonists outright so there's almost no recurring villains

wizard2
Apr 4, 2022

anilEhilated posted:

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but the story is just constructed in a specific way that makes me uncomfortable. I think it's been the case with several of the Marvel movies too - they try to give the villain nuance by giving them understandable backgrounds and ideologies and eventually realize "oops, this guy is in the right" so they have them do something completely insane and nonsensical to make the hero justified in beating them up. Osborn is easily the most repulsive character in the story and he gets away scot-free.

Realistic, sure, realism is extremely important in a comic book game.

I would not stress it.

if the Captain Marvel movie being a recruitment ad for the United States Air Force and a super hero character called "Black Panther" correctly defeating an anti-Imperialist, anti-CIA villain didnt inform you as to the political agenda of Marvel/Disney by now, I dont know what to tell you.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Black Panther was what I mostly based that on. Haven't seen Captain Marvel and given your description, thank gently caress for that.

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib

anilEhilated posted:

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but the story is just constructed in a specific way that makes me uncomfortable. I think it's been the case with several of the Marvel movies too - they try to give the villain nuance by giving them understandable backgrounds and ideologies and eventually realize "oops, this guy is in the right" so they have them do something completely insane and nonsensical to make the hero justified in beating them up. Osborn is easily the most repulsive character in the story and he gets away scot-free.

Realistic, sure, realism is extremely important in a comic book game.

FWIW I get what you are saying, I am just being a pendant.

wizard2
Apr 4, 2022

anilEhilated posted:

Black Panther was what I mostly based that on. Haven't seen Captain Marvel and given your description, thank gently caress for that.

yeah. imo, it simply is not worth the mental real estate.

ultimately, grey morality nonsense, the villain getting away with it because we cant lower ourselves to his level, the characters of the show or movie or game coming ever so close to working together to look at things materially and then deciding, at the last moment, that the status quo of things MUST be upheld at all possible costs but harder this time because its the right thing to do, that's all media nonsense designed to keep you down, waste your time and resources, keep you fatigued, tired and bummed out. just dont bother.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
You guys sound like maybe you need to go outside

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

but videogames

Macichne Leainig
Jul 26, 2012

by VG

CharlestheHammer posted:

You guys sound like maybe you need to go outside

I can't find "to go outside" on Steam, any help here

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Macichne Leainig posted:

I can't find "to go outside" on Steam, any help here

Maybe they mean INSIDE?

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

pseudorandom name posted:

This is the whole reason to play the game IMO, you're scouting the entire level, collecting resources and picking the point which is the most defensible, then you're using those resources to build your fortress and then you play a little horde mode against a bunch of splicers.

Yeah fwiw I actually thought it was fun too, but we seem to be in the minority. Maybe people are also traumatized from the much shittier Little Sister escort section towards the end of the first game. :shrug:

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

TeaJay posted:

Thanks for the highlight, I tried it and it seems like fun. I personally never played Everquest, only got into MMORPG's with GW1 and later on LoTRO, but I still recognize the style.

My Everquest memory is buying the game for fifty bucks when I was like 12 because I wanted to play with my older, game-developer cousin. But me not knowing anything about pc hardware and the game running at about .5 frames per second on the family computer before crashing every time.

Said cousin later passed away from cancer and I was never able to play online games with him and that's the story of why I irrationally hate everquest

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

OK my steam queue pointed me to this:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1472060/Apollyon_River_of_Life/

quote:

Apollyon is a dark fantasy narrative RPG focused on choices, where you summon demons and spiritual entities, deal with them for power, and delve deeper into an occult universe! It is a multiplayer choose-your-own adventure RPG mixed with a roguelike strategy board game and hidden deckbuilder elements.

In this 40+ hour game, you will:

Use obsidian tokens upon the Apollyic table to control the powers of the world. Moving them upon the table influences what spirits can approach your table, which abilities you can use, as well as aiding or harming every challenge before you!

Deal with three spiritual entities every round. These might be creatures of other worlds, other occult practitioners, visions of the beyond, or many, many more! They must be dealt with through violence, invocation, treaties, deception, or the like.

Make difficult decisions that will change the narrative, both in small arcs and large stories for character and table alike. Your choices will matter, for better or worse!

Invoke spirits of your own. You may bring some of these spirits between rituals as permanent unlocks, known as Invocations. You may also bring a small charm into every ritual, such as the Silver Timepiece to keep yourself sane while projecting into the spirit world.

Play Apollyon with up to two friends, who will share the table's alignment and take on every spirit together! This creates a unique strategy only present in multiplayer. For example, your efforts to escape a hostile fire spirit might be led by the player with more Agility, or the player who has a Guard on their physical statistics, in case they fail and take damage!

Unlock and play the ten playable characters, and progress their stories alone or in multiplayer! Gaining power through these skills and abilities will help you complete later missions, known as Intentions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh0aW4HoYhM

Anyone play it? Is it good? I'm tempted!

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

poo poo that looks like exactly my bag

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

No Wave posted:

I did hardest mode last night with math.max B and 0 cost basic shot, so yeah I'm really good at the game. Will probably play on hard mode for the rest of my runs and just mess around with silly joke cards that arent math.max B and 0 cost basic shot.

MathMax B exhausts now lol

Kazzah
Jul 15, 2011

Formerly known as
Krazyface
Hair Elf

Unlucky7 posted:

I am just being a pendant.

Well you're really half-assing it

ClonedPickle
Apr 23, 2010

Unlucky7 posted:

FWIW I get what you are saying, I am just being a pendant.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Anyone else needing to log in again to make a purchase? I was hoping to use the app for a quicker OLED Deck purchase tomorrow, but both the web site and the app prompt me to log in, and I have to wait for the app to pop a confirmation request—even though I’m using the app and it shows me logged in! Has happened a few times in the last couple of days…

The Joe Man
Apr 7, 2007

Flirting With Apathetic Waitresses Since 1984
If you take this as the starting gift you can revive YCS later

Flair
Apr 5, 2016
New humble bundle: https://www.humblebundle.com/games/action-roguelikes-what-kills-you-makes-you-stronger

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Is there a browser extension that shows your Steam library status for Humble bundles and such? Takes forever since I can’t remember what I previously bought.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

In a comic book universe you can only make villains speak truths since the higher ups will shrug at what they say.

So if a game wanted to make it so you could play an actually righteous comic character they'd need to slip it by in the guise of allowing you to play the hero or villain.

John Lee
Mar 2, 2013

A time traveling adventure everyone can enjoy

FuzzySlippers posted:

In a comic book universe you can only make villains speak truths since the higher ups will shrug at what they say.

So if a game wanted to make it so you could play an actually righteous comic character they'd need to slip it by in the guise of allowing you to play the hero or villain.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

So Batman is a selfish lover, got it

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Orv
May 4, 2011
Toxic Batmaninity

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