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Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

Huh strange figured since this began before I went to bed surely I'd see mountains of evidence for the underground terror city when I woke up this morning.

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# ? May 25, 2024 06:36

Hong XiuQuan: Feb 19, 2008; "Without justice for the Palestinians there will be no peace in the Middle East."

Groovelord Neato posted:

Huh strange figured since this began before I went to bed surely I'd see mountains of evidence for the underground terror city when I woke up this morning.

I can only assume they've been hunting for people who can actually write fluently in Arabic so when the forgeries come they're not so easily dismissed.

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Gripweed: Nov 8, 2018

Groovelord Neato posted:

Huh strange figured since this began before I went to bed surely I'd see mountains of evidence for the underground terror city when I woke up this morning.

Please understand. While the outside world demands "evidence" the Israeli forces are focusing on what really matters; retrieving the cum of the dead.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 15:03

pro starcraft loser: Jan 23, 2006; Stand back, this could get messy.

Edit - Whoops, asked this already.

pro starcraft loser fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Nov 15, 2023

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nimby: Nov 4, 2009; The pinnacle of cloud computing.

Groovelord Neato posted:

Huh strange figured since this began before I went to bed surely I'd see mountains of evidence for the underground terror city when I woke up this morning.

It's surprisingly difficult to source enough copies of Mein Kampf to stock the underground terror library. Maybe Bibi and his far right government partners can lend their personal copies to the cause.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 15:26

Paladinus: Jan 11, 2014; heyHEYYYY!!!

pro starcraft loser posted:

So with Israel in the hospital now, are we going to see irrefutable evidence of Hamas military installations there or pretty much nothing until people forget?

An anonymous source told Reuters that they totally found weapons and 'terror infrastructure'.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-weapons-found-al-shifa-hospital-2023-11-15/

Based on the previous video from a hospital 'underground bunker' where curtains on empty concrete walls were supposed to be an evidence that terrorists filmed videos with hostages there, I'm sure they will release at least something.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 15:29

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

Odd I could've sworn the PM put out a video about an underground supervillain lair and their UN representative said the al-Shifa hospital director refused to hear their irrefutable proof of an underground city of terror.

https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1724761365502451914?s=20

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Dr. VooDoo: May 4, 2006

The IDF is gonna show the decrepit bunker that Israel built and go �See? Terror tunnels!� and the US media is gonna clap like seals

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Nucleic Acids: Apr 10, 2007

Paladinus posted:

An anonymous source told Reuters that they totally found weapons and 'terror infrastructure'.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-weapons-found-al-shifa-hospital-2023-11-15/

Based on the previous video from a hospital 'underground bunker' where curtains on empty concrete walls were supposed to be an evidence that terrorists filmed videos with hostages there, I'm sure they will release at least something.

So far there�s a video on Twitter of them showing off some busted up AKs that were in no way planted, but even if they weren�t it doesn�t loving matter, attacking a hospital full of patients and refugees is a completely unacceptable crime against humanity.

Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Nov 15, 2023

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I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

At this point any evidence released by the IDF is fabricated. I dont get why anyone thinks there would be an underground command bunker. Thinking about it for more than 30 seconds is enough to realize the idea is absurd.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 16:14

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Nucleic Acids posted:

So far there�s a video on Twitter of them showing off some busted up AKs that were in no way planted, but even if they weren�t it doesn�t loving matter, attacking a hospital full of patients and refugees is a completely unacceptable crime against humanity.

Also, international humanitarian law has an explicit clause saying that finding small arms in a hospital doesn't negate the hospital's protection.

First Geneva Convention:

quote:

Article 22 - Conditions not depriving medical units and establishments of protection
The following conditions shall not be considered as depriving a medical unit or establishment of the protection guaranteed by Article 19 :

(1) That the personnel of the unit or establishment are armed, and that they use the arms in their own defence, or in that of the wounded and sick in their charge.

(2) That in the absence of armed orderlies, the unit or establishment is protected by a picket or by sentries or by an escort.

(3) That small arms and ammunition taken from the wounded and sick and not yet handed to the proper service, are found in the unit or establishment.

(4) That personnel and material of the veterinary service are found in the unit or establishment, without forming an integral part thereof.

(5) That the humanitarian activities of medical units and establishments or of their personnel extend to the care of civilian wounded or sick.

Geneva Convention Protocol 1:

quote:

1. The protection to which civilian medical units are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian function, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after a warning has been given setting, whenever appropriate, a reasonable time-limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

2. The following shall not be considered as acts harmful to the enemy:

(a) that the personnel of the unit are equipped with light individual weapons for their own defence or for that of the wounded and sick in their charge;

(b) that the unit is guarded by a picket or by sentries or by an escort;

(c) that small arms and ammunition taken from the wounded and sick, and not yet handed to the proper service, are found in the units;

(d) that members of the armed forces or other combatants are in the unit for medical reasons.

It is perfectly legitimate for there to be small arms - and even armed men - in a hospital for several reasons, not that anyone's going to call Israel on this.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 16:35

punishedkissinger: Sep 20, 2017

Did they find the Metal Gear level during the raid? or did they get locked out after breaking stealth?

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1717916845859078531?t=MU6ewma8mIyEaikdzK4GtA&s=19

# ? Nov 15, 2023 16:47

BUUNNI: Jun 23, 2023; by Pragmatica

After Columbia banned 2 student groups that were protesting Zionist genocide and apartheid a union of 40 student organizations announced they are forming a united coalition to divest the university from Israel.

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaSJP/status/1724604099570667862

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I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

punishedkissinger posted:

Did they find the Metal Gear level during the raid? or did they get locked out after breaking stealth?

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1717916845859078531?t=MU6ewma8mIyEaikdzK4GtA&s=19

Nothing was found, and Israel has been radio silence on it. At this point its assumed they are staging their evidence that they will present to the world as proof. Anything shown from here on out with regards to this hospital is fake. What we do know is that the IDF kidnapped a bunch of young male patients and carried them off somewhere else, murdered patients inside the hospital (but we dont know how many exactly), and are torturing people according to doctors.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 17:02

the other hand: Dec 14, 2003; 43rd Heavy Artillery Brigade
"Ultima Ratio Liberalium"

It looks like Israel has destroyed the Palestinian equivalent of the Parliament building via controlled demolition after taking it over.

https://twitter.com/seamus_malek/status/1724785332204539986?s=46&t=xh4hN1hNNwF9_Cq439R6TA

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/15/israel-gaza-latest-news-updates-hamas-palestine-day-40-live/

Wonder what they�ll say their goal is here�

[edit to add more illustrative link, credit to CSPAM thread]

the other hand fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Nov 15, 2023

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Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

I said come in! posted:

Nothing was found, and Israel has been radio silence on it. At this point its assumed they are staging their evidence that they will present to the world as proof. Anything shown from here on out with regards to this hospital is fake. What we do know is that the IDF kidnapped a bunch of young male patients and carried them off somewhere else, murdered patients inside the hospital (but we dont know how many exactly), and are torturing people according to doctors.

Do we know these things? I don't think they've been posted here yet. What sources are these claims coming from?

So far, all I've seen is that they're searching Al-Shifa room-by-room, with no particular reports of anyone being shot or kidnapped inside the hospital. Although the IDF incursion into the hospital started around nine hours ago, the operation appears to still be continuing. Here's Reuters on it:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-raids-gazas-al-shifa-hospital-2023-11-15/

quote:

GAZA, Nov 15 (Reuters) - Israeli troops entered Gaza's biggest hospital on Wednesday and were searching its rooms and basement, witnesses said, culminating a days-long siege that caused global alarm over the fate of thousands of civilians trapped inside.

Al Shifa hospital in Gaza City has become the main target of the ground operation by Israeli forces, who say Hamas fighters located the "beating heart" of their operations in a headquarters in tunnels beneath it, which Hamas denies.

Israel said its troops uncovered unspecified weapons and "terror infrastructure" inside the hospital compound after killing fighters in a clash outside. Once inside, they said there had been no fighting and no friction with civilians, patients or staff.

Witnesses who spoke to Reuters from inside the compound on Wednesday described a situation that appeared calm, if tense, as the Israeli troops moved between buildings carrying out searches. Sporadic shooting was heard but there were no immediate reports of anyone hurt inside the grounds.

The Israeli military released photos of a soldier standing beside cardboard boxes marked "medical supplies" and "baby food", at a location Reuters verified was inside the facility. Other photos showed Israeli troops in tactical formation walking past makeshift tents and mattresses.

World attention has been focused on the fate of hundreds of patients trapped inside without power to operate basic medical equipment, and thousands of displaced civilians who had sought shelter there. Gaza officials say many patients including three newborn babies died in recent days as a result of Israel's encirclement of the facility.

"Before entering the hospital our forces were confronted by explosive devices and terrorist squads, fighting ensued in which terrorists were killed," the Israeli military said.

"We can confirm that incubators, baby food and medical supplies brought by IDF tanks from Israel have successfully reached the Shifa hospital. Our medical teams and Arabic speaking soldiers are on the ground to ensure that these supplies reach those in need," it said.

A senior military official said: "IDF soldiers have already found weapons and other terror infrastructure. In the last hour, we saw concrete evidence that Hamas terrorists used the Shifa hospital as a terror headquarter."

Hamas called the claim that weapons were found "a continuation of the lies and cheap propaganda through which (Israel) is trying to give justification for its crime aimed at destroying the health sector in Gaza".

Dr Ahmed El Mohallalati, a surgeon, told Reuters by phone on Wednesday morning that staff had hid as the fighting unfolded around the hospital overnight. As he spoke, the sound of what he described as "continuous shooting from the tanks" could be heard in the background.

"One of the big tanks entered within the hospital from the eastern main gate, and they were, they were they just parked in the front of the hospital emergency department," he said.

The Israelis had told the hospital administration in advance that they planned to enter, he said. By mid morning, he and other staff had yet to receive instructions from the troops, although the soldiers were "metres away" from them.

"They have been moving between the buildings where the troops can be seen, within the hospital areas. So, it's getting more and more close to our building. We don't know what they want exactly," he said. "The tanks are continuously moving within the hospital area."

After five days during which he said the hospital had come under repeated Israeli attack, it was a relief at least to have reached an "end point", with troops now inside the grounds instead of outside shooting in, he said.

He was worried about the fate of his patients but unconcerned about potential clashes in the compound, saying Israeli claims that there were fighters inside had been a "big lie".

The Israelis had used "all kinds of weapons" and "targeted the hospital directly" during their siege, he said, describing a large hole that had been blasted through the wall of a room in an outpatient building.

Another witness inside the hospital, reached by telephone, said tanks had entered the compound at 3:00 a.m. The Israeli troops dismounted and spread out in the yard, and began searching the basement and entering buildings.

"It was very dangerous looking from the glass window. The administration of the hospital told us the occupation army informed them they wanted to search us and search room by room. I am very scared," the man said, asking that his name be withheld for fear of Israeli reprisals.

"There was no shooting because there were no gunmen inside the facility. The soldiers were acting freely as were people inside the hospital, the doctors, the wounded and the displaced," the man said. He later told Reuters that gunfire could occasionally be heard.

'HOSPITALS ARE NOT BATTLEGROUNDS'
U.N. aid chief Martin Griffiths wrote on X that "Hospitals are not battlegrounds".

"The protection of newborns, patients, medical staff and all civilians must override all other concerns."

Israel has consistently maintained that the hospital sits above a Hamas headquarters, an assertion that Washington said on Tuesday was supported by its own intelligence.

The hospital and compound were for for Hamas "a central hub of their operations, perhaps even the beating heart," Israeli army spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner said.

Israel launched its campaign to annihilate Hamas, the Islamist militant group which controls Gaza, after fighters crossed into Israel on Oct. 7, rampaging through towns, killing civilians and dragging hostages back to the enclave. Israel says 1,200 people were killed and some 240 captives taken in the deadliest day in its 75-year history.

Since then, Israel has put Gaza's entire population of 2.3 million under siege, pounding the crowded strip with air strikes. Gaza health officials, considered reliable by the United Nations, say more than 11,000 Palestinians are confirmed killed, around 40% of them children, and more are buried under the rubble. Israel has ordered the entire northern half of Gaza evacuated, and around two-thirds of residents are now homeless.

Israel has so far rejected calls for a ceasefire, which it says would benefit Hamas, a position backed by Washington. However, a pause in fighting has been discussed in negotiations mediated by Qatar to release some of the hostages held by Hamas.

An official briefed on the negotiations said Qatari mediators were seeking a deal that would include a three-day truce, with Hamas releasing 50 of its captives and Israel to release some women and minors from among its security detainees. The official said Hamas had agreed to the outlines of the deal but Israel had not and was still negotiating terms.

What is clear, though, is that the dead were piling up even before the Israeli incursion, to the point where there's been frequent reports of plans to dig a mass grave to bury the hundred-plus dead bodies on the hospital grounds.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/people-trapped-inside-gazas-al-shifa-planning-bury-dead-bodies-2023-11-14/

quote:

GAZA, Nov 14 (Reuters) - People trapped inside Gaza's Al Shifa Hospital plan to start burying bodies within the hospital compound on Tuesday without Israeli approval because the situation has become untenable, two sources at the hospital said.

Dr. Ahmed Al Mokhallalati, a surgeon, and Gaza health ministry spokesman Ashraf Al-Qidra said in separate telephone interviews from within the compound that more than 100 bodies had accumulated there, creating an acute sanitary crisis.

"We are planning to bury them today in a mass grave inside the Al Shifa medical complex. It is going to be very dangerous as we don't have any cover or protection from the ICRC (International Committee of the Red Cross), but we have no other options, the corpses of the martyrs began to decompose," said Qidra. "The men are digging right now as we speak."

Qidra put the number of bodies that had accumulated at Al Shifa at about 100. Mokhallalati said it was about 120.

The hospital, besieged by Israeli forces and close to where intense fighting between them and Hamas has been taking place, has ceased functioning normally, with insufficient electricity, water and other basics.

Mokhallalati said the bodies were generating an unbearable stench and posing a risk of infection.

"Today we had a little bit of rain ... It was really horrible, nobody could even open a window," he said.

"Unfortunately there is no approval from the Israelis to even bury the bodies within the hospital area," he said.

"Today ... civilians started digging within the hospital to try and bury the bodies on their own responsibility without any arrangements by the Israeli side.

"Burying 120 bodies needs a lot of equipment, it can't be by hand efforts and by single person efforts. It will take hours and hours to be able to bury all these bodies."

Israel says Al Shifa Hospital sits atop tunnels housing a headquarters for Hamas fighters, who are to blame for its plight for using patients as human shields. Hamas denies this.

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A big flaming stink: Apr 26, 2010

the other hand posted:

It looks like Israel has destroyed the Palestinian equivalent of the Parliament building via controlled demolition after taking it over.

https://twitter.com/seamus_malek/status/1724785332204539986?s=46&t=xh4hN1hNNwF9_Cq439R6TA

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/15/israel-gaza-latest-news-updates-hamas-palestine-day-40-live/

Wonder what they’ll say their goal is here…

[edit to add more illustrative link, credit to CSPAM thread]

Um that's way more explosive than I was expecting :stare:

Do they not have actual demolition experts?

# ? Nov 15, 2023 17:21

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

A big flaming stink posted:

Um that's way more explosive than I was expecting Do they not have actual demolition experts?

I'd imagine they're using actual munitions to do it rather than regular demolition charges.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 17:43

Caros: May 14, 2008

Groovelord Neato posted:

I'd imagine they're using actual munitions to do it rather than regular demolition charges.

Yeah, they aren't going to get a bunch of controlled demo folks to come in and spend days rigging it when they can just pile in a bunch of high ex to do the job.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 17:46

Nail Rat: Dec 29, 2000; You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

A big flaming stink posted:

Um that's way more explosive than I was expecting Do they not have actual demolition experts?

I imagine the thought process can be summed up by this

# ? Nov 15, 2023 17:47

pro starcraft loser: Jan 23, 2006; Stand back, this could get messy.

I said come in! posted:

I dont get why anyone thinks there would be an underground command bunker. Thinking about it for more than 30 seconds is enough to realize the idea is absurd.

Why do you say that? The hospitals are the only place it seems Israel won't flatten right away. They are so worried about when word gets out when they do hit a hospital, they spend time making those stupid X posts with CGI about missile paths and how Hamas was on the phone while stealing an ambulance.

I'm not saying there are, but the idea isn't absurd I don't think (if someone is really that much a comic book villain).

# ? Nov 15, 2023 17:48

Neurolimal: Nov 3, 2012

It's absurd in the sense that Israel very specifically bombs and obsesses over flashy targets. They care waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more about demolishing a Parliament building, or a University, or a massive Apartment complex, or a Daycare, than they do about Abrahim's Discount Shoe Repair. Hospitals are harder pills to swall, but as we're seeing here they very much want to bomb and/or exterminate them.

If I was a Hamas engineer designing a secret command center I'd put it under a failed deli, not the places closest to the border & infuriate Israel by merely existing. Especially if the center is going to be 200m underground and not require much surface protection in the first place.

There's also the fact that an irregular army is....irregular. They don't need a Pentagon, it's not a sure bet that one even exists.

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HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

It's insane that Israel keeps saying WE HAVE THIS PROOF OF TERROR TUNNELS HERE IT IS and then posts a loving animated render

E: this was a sponsored ad :barf:

this is one of the most cynical, disingenuous things I've seen yet

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Nov 15, 2023

# ? Nov 15, 2023 18:08

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Neurolimal posted:

It's absurd in the sense that Israel very specifically bombs and obsesses over flashy targets. They care waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more about demolishing a Parliament building, or a University, or a massive Apartment complex, or a Daycare, than they do about Abrahim's Discount Shoe Repair. Hospitals are harder pills to swall, but as we're seeing here they very much want to bomb and/or exterminate them.

If I was a Hamas engineer designing a secret command center I'd put it under a failed deli, not the places closest to the border & infuriate Israel by merely existing. Especially if the center is going to be 200m underground and not require much surface protection in the first place.

There's also the fact that an irregular army is....irregular. They don't need a Pentagon, it's not a sure bet that one even exists.

I wouldn't really say that Israel obsesses over bombing flashy targets in particular.

They've dropped at least ten thousand bombs on Gaza over the past month. As for the kinds of stuff that's been targeted, here's Al-Jazeera's count as of Nov 7:

quote:

Half of Gaza’s homes – 222,000 residential units damaged with more than 40,000 completely destroyed

278 educational facilities damaged

270 healthcare facilities attacked

69 places of worship damaged, including mosques and churches

45 ambulances damaged

11 bakeries destroyed

The flashy targets get more media coverage and Twitter video retweets, but there's been plenty of bombs dropped on boring targets like apartment buildings, bakeries, and presumably failed delis as well.

As for whether they need a command post, basically any organized force needs a command structure and logistics of some sort. They don't need to be as extensive or elaborate as Western militaries use, but the fundamental strength of an armed force is its ability to act in a coordinated fashion. An assault like Oct 7th wouldn't have been possible with just a bunch of disorganized squads acting on their own.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 18:19

Lovely Joe Stalin: Jun 12, 2007; Our Lovely Wang

It's probably more akin to the VC leadership, just constantly moving around in the tunnel network at random rather than staying in a fixed Bamboo Pentagon.

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I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

Main Paineframe posted:

Do we know these things? I don't think they've been posted here yet. What sources are these claims coming from?

Gaza residents and doctors on social media, which means nothing official and is just observations from people on the ground. Which also means its very hard to verify anything, but still far more trust worthy than the IDF, which is the only other source. This isn't like the beginning of the war unfortunately, information is far less reliable and official.

pro starcraft loser posted:

Why do you say that? The hospitals are the only place it seems Israel won't flatten right away. They are so worried about when word gets out when they do hit a hospital, they spend time making those stupid X posts with CGI about missile paths and how Hamas was on the phone while stealing an ambulance.

I'm not saying there are, but the idea isn't absurd I don't think (if someone is really that much a comic book villain).

Building the kinda underground city that the IDF is claiming exists, would not be possible for hamas. Taking over underground structures that Israel already built are a possibility, but that doesn't appear to have happened here. Its far more likely that the hamas underground structures are very simple and small.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 18:32

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

Tablet magazine put out an article repeating long debunked claims about a Palestinian social media influencer.

https://x.com/MattBinder/status/1724855347628671228?s=20

# ? Nov 15, 2023 19:24

Typo: Aug 19, 2009; Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

fighting has reached Yarmouk Stadium and Israa University

# ? Nov 15, 2023 19:39

Szarrukin: Sep 29, 2021

I said come in! posted:

Israel is a loving weird place holy poo poo.

This is literally Warhammer 40k and harvesting geneseed from fallen Space Marines, what the actual gently caress.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 19:44

Nairbo: Jan 2, 2005

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-public-support-israel-drops-majority-backs-ceasefire-reutersipsos-2023-11-15

quote:

Some 32% of respondents in the two-day opinion poll, which closed on Tuesday, said "the U.S. should support Israel" when asked what role the United States should take in the fighting. That was down from 41% who said the U.S. should back Israel in a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted Oct. 12-13.

Absolutely incredible how much Israel has hosed up their public perception. 32% support in America is a staggeringly low number. They're cooked, that evil empire must fall.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 19:48

pro starcraft loser: Jan 23, 2006; Stand back, this could get messy.

I said come in! posted:

Building the kinda underground city that the IDF is claiming exists, would not be possible for hamas. Taking over underground structures that Israel already built are a possibility, but that doesn't appear to have happened here. Its far more likely that the hamas underground structures are very simple and small.

Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 19:52

Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

I don't want to click on anything I might regret but uh, how do they extract the seed, so to speak? Is there really an Israeli unit dedicated to jerking off corpses?

Seems like an important takeaway from WW2 should have been "ethnostates are bad, actually"

# ? Nov 15, 2023 19:58

OctaMurk: Jun 21, 2013

Nairbo posted:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-public-support-israel-drops-majority-backs-ceasefire-reutersipsos-2023-11-15

Absolutely incredible how much Israel has hosed up their public perception. 32% support in America is a staggeringly low number. They're cooked, that evil empire must fall.

Majority of americans, including Half of republicans, are calling for a ceasefire

# ? Nov 15, 2023 20:00

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

Can we please stop talking about israel's extremely loving weird No Cum Left Behind policy

please

please

# ? Nov 15, 2023 20:03

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

Nairbo posted:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-public-support-israel-drops-majority-backs-ceasefire-reutersipsos-2023-11-15

Absolutely incredible how much Israel has hosed up their public perception. 32% support in America is a staggeringly low number. They're cooked, that evil empire must fall.

I don't get the impression that Israel really cares. They have the support where it matters; in the leadership of America, and that won't change as badly as I want it to. I've always maintained, even before October 7, that America should cut all ties with Israel and impose strict sanctions on them. Our modern day world has no place for oppression and genocide. Of course this assumes America also comes to term with its own barbaric behavior, which is something I strongly support us doing, but alas.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 20:13

Dr. VooDoo: May 4, 2006

Israel is releasing videos of totally real and not at all planted guns being found�hidden behind the hospitals functioning MRI machine

# ? Nov 15, 2023 20:23

Habibi: Dec 8, 2004; We have the capability to make San Jose's first Cup Champion.

The Sharks could be that Champion.

Professor Beetus posted:

I don't want to click on anything I might regret but uh, how do they extract the seed, so to speak? Is there really an Israeli unit dedicated to jerking off corpses?

Seems like an important takeaway from WW2 should have been "ethnostates are bad, actually"

They put an electric probe up your butthole and zing your prostate, which it turns out is such an effective stimulant that it'll even ejaculate a corpse. You're welcome?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

# ? Nov 15, 2023 20:25

Delthalaz: Mar 5, 2003; Slippery Tilde

Regardless of their propaganda campaign, I was thinking that the military fixation on this hospital suggests that they really do believe it�s a Hamas headquarters. If it isn�t (and they really thought it was) then the Israeli intelligence failure is greater than anyone could have dreamt a couple months ago

# ? Nov 15, 2023 20:29

Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Habibi posted:

They put an electric probe up your butthole and zing your prostate, which it turns out is such an effective stimulant that it'll even ejaculate a corpse. You're welcome?

Thank you, I always wondered what my "Joker Moment" was going to be.

# ? Nov 15, 2023 20:31

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# ? May 25, 2024 06:36

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Delthalaz posted:

Regardless of their propaganda campaign, I was thinking that the military fixation on this hospital suggests that they really do believe it�s a Hamas headquarters. If it isn�t (and they really thought it was) then the Israeli intelligence failure is greater than anyone could have dreamt a couple months ago

They are trying to make Gaza unlivable so that after the fighting stops they can say to the international community "the Palestinians would be much better off as refugees somewhere else, it's not genocide if they want to go".

# ? Nov 15, 2023 20:33

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