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Waffleman_ posted:I do not believe for a second Char fathered a child Fathered? No, but having offspring, sure. 
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Neo_Crimson posted:Not that I'm pro "Uso is Char's great grandson", but could however totally buy Char having shitloads of illegtimate children everywhere. I don't care what Tomino says in interviews Char never hosed. Not once in his life.
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Nov 16, 2023 01:44
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Nanai pulled it outta him with a turkey baster.
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DamnGlitch posted:Nanai pulled it outta him with a turkey baster. No, the turkey baster goes the other way in that situation
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Nov 16, 2023 01:48
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Ojjeorago posted:Tomino is wrong and the fanon theory about Uso being Char's great-grandson would be a cool bit of world building actually. Out of curiosity, what would this have added to the story or setting?
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Nov 16, 2023 05:39
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GodFish posted:I don't care what Tomino says in interviews Char never hosed. Not once in his life. ...Char and Reccoa's whole relationship in Zeta was Char and her being fuckbuddies and Char assuming that meant everything was going great, while Reccoa wanted actual emotional intimacy. It's a big part of Quattro's general fuckup status in Zeta. "Char fucks a lot" is a pretty basic recurring character beat. (A spin-off manga even confirms that he and Nanai had a child together.)
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chiasaur11 posted:...Char and Reccoa's whole relationship in Zeta was Char and her being fuckbuddies and Char assuming that meant everything was going great, while Reccoa wanted actual emotional intimacy. It's a big part of Quattro's general fuckup status in Zeta. Alternative read is that Reccoa wanted to gently caress and Char, a man who simply has never and will never gently caress is unable or unwilling to do so, leaving her unsatisfied. He has the vibes of a man that does not gently caress.
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Nov 16, 2023 08:07
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Char and Amuro Should have had a child together
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Nov 16, 2023 08:08
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char aznable has no time to gently caress. he looks at his watch and says "i could not possibly gently caress at this juncture." as he powerwalks into the zoo
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Nov 16, 2023 08:12
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GodFish posted:Alternative read is that Reccoa wanted to gently caress and Char, a man who simply has never and will never gently caress is unable or unwilling to do so, leaving her unsatisfied. He has the vibes of a man that does not gently caress. You know, reading what you want into Char rather than looking at what's actually there is the cause of at least a quarter of all Char Aznable related deaths.
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Nov 16, 2023 08:48
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At this point I find Char to be dull. He's so discussed, copied, and parodied that the actual character holds little of interest anymore. Someone like Jerid is far more interesting
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Gaius Marius posted:At this point I find Char to be dull. He's so discussed, copied, and parodied that the actual character holds little of interest anymore. Char needed to be thrown off more mountains.
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Nov 16, 2023 09:01
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Char was only interesting to me in Zeta because of the ambiguity. How much of Quattro was legit? Was he sincerely trying to be a better person? Is Casval so lost in his lies that Quattro is no more fake than Char? But yeah, overall, I guess I'd have to say I prefer some of the Char Clones. I think it's pretty telling that even in this generally not very high on SEED thread, Rau is beloved. And as far as I can tell, it's not in an ironic way, either. Rau is simply a great character.
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Rau is fun but he's hardly great. He doesn't have a single aspect that hasn't been done and done better in other works. We should reserve the word great for characters who have enough impact to seriously change the way a viewer views the world, shifts popular culture, or embodies a concept so firmly that their name becomes synonymous with it.
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Gaius Marius posted:Rau is fun but he's hardly great. He doesn't have a single aspect that hasn't been done and done better in other works. So, Char?
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I'm still barely like halfway through SEED and my biggest issue with the series right now is that it's just kind of boring. A lot of the plot beats are reminiscent of MSG's but just less interesting to me because I find it harder to give a poo poo about the stakes when the protagonist is such a rad computer whizz he's retuning his machine on the fly mid-combat and also goes super saiyan to win every other fight. I just don't think I'll ever like how coordinators are handled. I'll forever cop to psychic newtype stuff being stupid, too, but this has the same problem that the innovaders or whatever in 00 had for me, which is that "these people are objectively superior human beings" drains my interest.
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Nov 16, 2023 13:50
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How would you like cyber coordinators then?
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I assume like every other artificial boosted human sort of thing in the franchise they're highly unstable?
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chiasaur11 posted:So, Char? Yeah, Char is a great character. He's just dull to discuss
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Kanos posted:Out of curiosity, what would this have added to the story or setting? I think heroes turning out to be descended from villains of the previous story is a fun idea. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I like the idea that newtype is more a state of mind or an unexplained phenomenon than a genetic lineage like the drat Jedi. Uso being unrelated to other newtypes feeds nicely into it being a spontaneous occurrence.
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Done, his great grandpa is now Dren.
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Arc Hammer posted:I like the idea that newtype is more a state of mind or an unexplained phenomenon than a genetic lineage like the drat Jedi. Uso being unrelated to other newtypes feeds nicely into it being a spontaneous occurrence. Jedi should be that way too!!
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ImpAtom posted:Jedi should be that way too!! Shame that they took that idea and smothered it with a pillow because people got angry on the internet.
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ImpAtom posted:Jedi should be that way too!! Yeah they should be and ep 8 ending on that note was good. Somehow Episode 9 returned.
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Warmachine posted:Shame that they took that idea and smothered it with a pillow because people got angry on the internet. Of all the things to put on Star Wars 9, this is not a valid one. One (?) Word: Midichlorians.
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Supremezero posted:Of all the things to put on Star Wars 9, this is not a valid one. One (?) Word: Midichlorians. That has nothing to do with 9 retconning lineages. 8 is a hot garbage film but them managing to learn all the wrong lessons from its failure and then follow it up with an even worse film is fascinating. Ojjeorago posted:I think heroes turning out to be descended from villains of the previous story is a fun idea. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ At best it makes to world smaller, at worst it ends up in a weird aristocratic social darwinist reality where lineage is a successful predictor for competence.
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a character being char's great grandson would be cool if the character in any way interacted with char's ideology, with him as a person/concept, or if the character being related to char had any kind of tie into the themes and philosophy of the show everyone being related to someone else is a funny but mild issue in cases where it's used to good effect, but if all there is to it is "hey remember char? well we put in an excuse to bring him up in this otherwise entirely unrelated story" then that sucks
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You could do an interesting story about a descendant of Char grappling with his legacy, but Uso isn't doing that so it would be bad storytelling to make them related. Maybe Gaia Gear does that, idk
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Char and Uso sounds like a Rick and Morty skit. Char as the lovely grandpa who keeps chasing his worst impulses and loving things up for everyone. Uso's the dumbass grandson who gets put through the wringer that it's a wonder he's not a traumatized wreck. And they have adventures in spaaaaaaaaace!
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ninjewtsu posted:a character being char's great grandson would be cool if the character in any way interacted with char's ideology, with him as a person/concept, or if the character being related to char had any kind of tie into the themes and philosophy of the show chrome line posted:You could do an interesting story about a descendant of Char grappling with his legacy, but Uso isn't doing that so it would be bad storytelling to make them related. Maybe Gaia Gear does that, idk UC/NT did the "living up to Char's legacy" thing and Zoltan being his nephew or whatever is not the thing that would have made them good.
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GodFish posted:Alternative read is that Reccoa wanted to gently caress and Char, a man who simply has never and will never gently caress is unable or unwilling to do so, leaving her unsatisfied. He has the vibes of a man that does not gently caress. I don't think that's a valid read at all because so many scenes and lines just make no sense at all under that interpretation. Reccoa being disappointed that Kamille is the one that sent Fa to visit her in the infirmary, Reccoa sighing when alone in her room after returning from a mission because there's no-one there to greet her, the fact she keeps a plant as a means to validate her emotions even slightly, the fact that when Char orders her not to go on the mission to the Jupitris she responds by pointing out that she's never given him a reason not to go, the fact Scirocco's manipulation is based on validating her emotions and giving her someone to rely on rather than just sex etc. None of it makes a lick of sense if all she wanted was a gently caress. You'd basically end up talking like half the posts about her on /m/ i.e. "did Reccoa really just betray AEUG for some dick?". chrome line posted:You could do an interesting story about a descendant of Char grappling with his legacy, but Uso isn't doing that so it would be bad storytelling to make them related. Maybe Gaia Gear does that, idk I don't even think you could rejigger Victory to do that without majorly comprising what Tomino was looking to do i.e. leave early UC works about Amuro, Char and Zeon behind and move on to telling stories about new characters.
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Caphi posted:UC/NT did the "living up to Char's legacy" thing and Zoltan being his nephew or whatever is not the thing that would have made them good. full frontal being char's illegitimate child definitely would have affected my reading of him as a character, potentially positively depending on how it was utilized. i don't think that's an inherently bad concept or that "everything ties back to char" is more meaningful to any of these stories, real or hypothetical, than just being an amusing footnote.
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Rau's fun and a great character, Victory is dogshit that is at least pretty funny to watch with a group which is more then some other bad shows. It's also a good show to huff your own supply on and insist it's a misunderstand masterpiece and not a bizarre creator breakdown in slow motion stuffed full of bugfuck insanity and Tomino's weird off branch of misogyny in its final evolved form before he got it out of his system for a while to do Turn A.
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tsob posted:I don't think that's a valid read at all because so many scenes and lines just make no sense at all under that interpretation. Reccoa being disappointed that Kamille is the one that sent Fa to visit her in the infirmary, Reccoa sighing when alone in her room after returning from a mission because there's no-one there to greet her, the fact she keeps a plant as a means to validate her emotions even slightly, the fact that when Char orders her not to go on the mission to the Jupitris she responds by pointing out that she's never given him a reason not to go, the fact Scirocco's manipulation is based on validating her emotions and giving her someone to rely on rather than just sex etc. None of it makes a lick of sense if all she wanted was a gently caress. You'd basically end up talking like half the posts about her on /m/ i.e. "did Reccoa really just betray AEUG for some dick?". i don't think any of that contradicts the idea that reccoa would have been seeking an emotional relationship with char and was sexually frustrated because he wouldn't bone her, these are not mutually exclusive ideas and in fact after considering these examples you have given i think it's a more plausible reading than i did before
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RevolverDivider posted:and not a bizarre creator breakdown in slow motion stuffed full of bugfuck insanity and Tomino's weird off branch of misogyny in its final evolved form before he got it out of his system for a while to do Turn A. similarly why can't it be all that and also good when taken on its own merits
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good art has never been made by an artist in the middle of a major depressive episode (i have not seen victory and do not intend to)
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ninjewtsu posted:i don't think any of that contradicts the idea that reccoa would have been seeking an emotional relationship with char and was sexually frustrated because he wouldn't bone her, these are not mutually exclusive ideas and in fact after considering these examples you have given i think it's a more plausible reading than i did before If the first reading is "Reccoa wanted a relationship" and the other reading of "Reccoa wanted to gently caress" is an alternative reading then yes, they are mutually exclusive. They only wouldn't be if the alternative was "Reccoa wanted a relationship that included both emotional and sexual components"; the problem with that being that that's just a relationship, making it mutually exclusive again.
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