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Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.



echinopsis posted:

why wouldn’t you



no one else is gonna

i did  :frogc00l:

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rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

nudgenudgetilt posted:

i say this as someone who moved to the bay area many years ago thinking it was vibrant, then left a few years later thoroughly disenfranchised

sf was never really like 'vibrant' in the way people talk about new york being vibrant. Its small. Pre-dotcom boom it was like 600k people. It was weird and quirky and had an art and music scene that was better than most places its size, but thats not sayin much. It has outsized influence because its pretty much the oldest poo poo on the west coast but it was just never that big of a deal.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Sapozhnik posted:

should have paid for a subscription to the premium elevator then, that one's on you

(i'm sure that this is a thing that exists)

my friend lives in a 40 story apartment building in shenzhen, and some of the residents wanted to renovate one of the elevators that was breaking all the time, and some of the residents didn’t want to renovate it because they had 11 other fully working elevators. so the decision ended up being the people that wanted to renovate it all chipped in and paid for the one fancy new elevator and they all got special access cards to use it, lol

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord

infernal machines posted:

something awful dot com the best of what's left™

mystes
May 31, 2006

fart simpson posted:

my friend lives in a 40 story apartment building in shenzhen, and some of the residents wanted to renovate one of the elevators that was breaking all the time, and some of the residents didn’t want to renovate it because they had 11 other fully working elevators. so the decision ended up being the people that wanted to renovate it all chipped in and paid for the one fancy new elevator and they all got special access cards to use it, lol
now they just need to wait for more of the other elevators to break so they can sell off the elevator rights for a profit

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

rotor posted:

like I appreciate that lots of small businesses will fail and hollowed out downtown cores are a Real Big Problem but i dont think its up to workers to prop this up artificially. Not that i think raminasi was suggesting that, but the suggestion has certainly been made by some people.

yeah exactly. our model of cities pretty clearly needs to need to change and i doubt it's going to happen gracefully or with foresight.

Eeyo posted:

yeah that’s probably the rationale, but i feel like this strategy will never work. so you have vacant retail space and refuse to rent it out to a cheap customer. then nobody goes to your retail space. then nobody wants to rent it because nobody goes there.

you need occupancy to grow traffic to grow revenue, expensive stores won’t set up in your poo poo strip mall or whatever.

commercial real estate isn't about revenue. landlords don't care about it. they care about their building's valuation.

eventually, theoretically, they'll have to care (because they've lacked it for so long and they're broke) but when exactly that will happen is hard to predict and continuing to play musical chairs is easier and more lucrative (until it's not) so that's what we've got.

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

raminasi posted:

yeah exactly. our model of cities pretty clearly needs to need to change and i doubt it's going to happen gracefully or with foresight.

yep, nope and nope, respectively

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

raminasi posted:


commercial real estate isn't about revenue. landlords don't care about it. they care about their building's valuation.



thats not an eternal fact. thats a rates-are-at-0% fact. thats a 2021 fact, a february-2022 fact.

Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.



bob dobbs is dead posted:

thats not an eternal fact. thats a rates-are-at-0% fact. thats a 2021 fact, a february-2022 fact.

fixing my peepers on feb-2024

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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rotor posted:

its pretty much the oldest poo poo on the west coast but it was just never that big of a deal.

SOMEBODY BUY THIS MAN A FUNCTIONING MONITOR FOR GOD'S SAKE

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
the fed shouldn't drop interest rates until every commercial real estate loan has its rate adjusted/refinanced

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Jonny 290 posted:

SOMEBODY BUY THIS MAN A FUNCTIONING MONITOR FOR GOD'S SAKE

brutal

well-read undead
Dec 13, 2022

graph posted:

had a student employee once that didn't know how to use a screwdriver

and that's how graph got fired for teaching the intern how to screw

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Jonny 290 posted:

SOMEBODY BUY THIS MAN A FUNCTIONING MONITOR FOR GOD'S SAKE

jesus christ jonny i have a family ok

outhole surfer
Mar 18, 2003

rotor posted:

jesus christ jonny i have a family ok

savage return by the old man

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Jonny 290 posted:

SOMEBODY BUY THIS MAN A FUNCTIONING MONITOR FOR GOD'S SAKE

lol

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

raminasi posted:

yeah exactly. our model of cities pretty clearly needs to need to change and i doubt it's going to happen gracefully or with foresight.

commercial real estate isn't about revenue. landlords don't care about it. they care about their building's valuation.

eventually, theoretically, they'll have to care (because they've lacked it for so long and they're broke) but when exactly that will happen is hard to predict and continuing to play musical chairs is easier and more lucrative (until it's not) so that's what we've got.

it's the musical chairs aspect that gets me. i understand it, we're all short-sighted. but intentionally letting your land go unused, decay, and be forgotten is an excellent way to make worthless land.

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

i guess what i’m saying is there are apparently a lot of greater fools out there

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."
the heart of it is a deliberately designed ratcheting process of upward wealth transfer

when reality disagrees with market inertia, smallfry get squashed, and progressively wealthier people or institutions- who have the ability to sustain losses for longer- buy up the "cheap" assets liquidated by smallfry and sit on them hoping to be able to flip them

eventually, one of two things happens:

  • conditions stabilize, and the people holding the assets win by selling at a profit
  • conditions get so bad that the government steps in and the people holding the assets win by getting some sort of bailout and/or favorable terms

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
no, the ratchet's broken before, especially for commercial re

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

Eeyo posted:

it's the musical chairs aspect that gets me. i understand it, we're all short-sighted. but intentionally letting your land go unused, decay, and be forgotten is an excellent way to make worthless land.

literally been happening for sixty years in detroit

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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in a well actually posted:

literally been happening for sixty years in detroit

my current landlord is as we speak on a five year plan of refusing to maintain or mow anything so they can get federal funding under a Blight Declaration to raze it and build LuxUrY APaRtMeNts on this land. They tried two years and we had some good city council members that said "if you were able to spend five thousand dollars on a specialist in declaring properties Blighted, why didn't you just spend five thousand dollars on some paint and a lawnmower?"

Anyways we currently have a tent city in my back yard, for real, and the house next to me is plywood'd up due to a meth cook. they're gonna try that gambit again in 2024.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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that house next door was sooo cute and clean five years ago and now it's literally falling down

mystes
May 31, 2006

If you pay meth addicts to move in can you get it declared blighted faster?

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
perhaps if a property is declared blighted, it shouldn't result in a big payday to the slumlord who let it degenerate that far

like, it should be seized and auctioned off for development, and the money from that auction should go to a general city fund to combat homelessness (and not a penny to the property owner)

Truman Peyote
Oct 11, 2006



i don’t think vancouver’s last mayor did a good job in general but he DID use the equivalent of eminent domain to force a notorious family of slumlords to sell an SRO building to the city for $1 after it was declared unsafe for habitation

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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Jabor posted:

perhaps if a property is declared blighted, it shouldn't result in a big payday to the slumlord who let it degenerate that far

Yeah, like the 2021 (sorry i was off by a year or two) Incident they specifically didn't come by to cut the grass once that year (its in the lease that it's their job) and then one day they came by and did a lovely whack job with riding mowers and weed eaters, took a bunch of pics, and three weeks later there was a city council meeting where an "interested party" (the consultant my landlord hired) stood up and gave a big cry story about how These Properties Are Decaying Bulldoze Them And Give Us Federal Funds To Build Expensive Apartments.



This is literally my driveway, that they paraded around to prove that This Block Is Run Down.

outhole surfer
Mar 18, 2003

Jonny 290 posted:

that house next door was sooo cute and clean five years ago and now it's literally falling down



https://www.google.com/maps/@39.729...i8192?entry=ttu

this is you, right?

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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also i saw a pig blow up a tire on that asphalt edge by that big hole once, cause they give the cops High Performance SUVs with Low Profile Tires. it was traumatic at the moment bc i heard what i thought was a gunshot and looked out to see a pigmobile in front of my house, but then i realized what happened and went back inside and laughed.

He pulled up a few feet and parked there for three hours till a tow truck came to change his tire because cops are coward pieces of poo poo that can't do anything

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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nope, this is me



trusty expedition on the right, the old bimmer on the left. You can see my solar panels just to the right of the expedition!

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



can't believe you're posting your assassination coordinates like this, the process servers will be swarming you like locusts.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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I don't really fear or dodge death any more. it'd be nice to take a good long nap and not see things like the 2024 election or what a bunch of millenial's kids get to deal with in 2036

i've told my jokes, i built my yosvape, i bought my dream car. what more can one ask for

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
some nice flowers

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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there are three red bricks in my back yard half buried in the dirt

one does nothing

one has a key under it, which you can use to get into the front porch

if you stick a bent coat hanger on the third hole from the far west one in the porch's ceiling you will get the key to open the inside

the combination to the gun safe is the frequency on the 75 meter ham band where all the insane weirdos hang out

and the third red brick has a tripwire alarm that immediately 911's with a pre-recorded message stating my address and that you have a gun, played off an aliexpress voice recorder circuit board

Choose Wisely

outhole surfer
Mar 18, 2003

solution: take all three bricks, throw each through a different window, leave before the cops show

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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nudgenudgetilt posted:

solution: take all three bricks, throw each through a different window, leave before the cops show

wont get far past that tho lol



(i v much live on a Bad Block)

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
pull all 3 bricks, wait from a distance for the cops to finish trashing your house, go in later through all the holes they made

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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you're all assuming the cops will respond to a call here

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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anyways fr, i'm gonna move next year, i've spent six happy hobbit years in this cozy little prison cottage, but it's time to move. My cars need some hail protection and also there are drivebys every month here and it's just becoming a really, really unsafe place to live.

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rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Jonny 290 posted:

anyways fr, i'm gonna move next year

:fistpump:

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