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Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
This poo poo drives me insane

https://youtu.be/pLpxYMgQUT4?si=DjNfye4vbImRbRmD

I can’t image spending the money to own an original filming model made by Greg Jein and then just slapping it down on some spray-painted plywood and a couple pegs, running visible wire through gaps in the windows and calling it a day.

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Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
Just use calk as glue!

At least they aren't throwing it around.


Yet :/

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Big Mean Jerk posted:

This poo poo drives me insane

https://youtu.be/pLpxYMgQUT4?si=DjNfye4vbImRbRmD

I can’t image spending the money to own an original filming model made by Greg Jein and then just slapping it down on some spray-painted plywood and a couple pegs, running visible wire through gaps in the windows and calling it a day.

Lol I clicked through that earlier assuming they were going to suspend from the ceiling, maybe having the parts spread out mid explosion or something.

The rest of their hoard didn't seem to be displayed much better. Lotta poo poo just popped on shelves. Surprised they didn't just nail data's shirt flat to the wall.

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Khanstant posted:

The Feds are too war averse to enforce the neutral zone. If South Korea refused to attack things in the neutral zone, then NK would hang out there like Romulans too.

I mean, North Korea is actually a pretty good real-world analogue. North Korea does do a ton of absolutely insane poo poo, including shelling islands, sinking ships, and forcing a massive show of force to cut down a tiny tree. The US and ROK are way the hell less war averse than the Federation is shown to be, so it makes sense that the Romulans would have probably needed to actually land those trojan horses on Vulcan to provoke any kind of response.

The fact that it happens so consistently makes it more believable, because the Federation would just constantly be at war with the Romulans if they fell for it. "Those weird Romulans are doing some stupid poo poo again, just ignore them" is a strangely logical response.

Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Nov 17, 2023

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
It's like a game of "I'm not touching you!" while doing everything they can to be an annoying hindrance without technically touching you. If you give em a snack then technically you can be said to have started it and somehow you're on punishment even though they were totally goading you.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Khanstant posted:

It's like a game of "I'm not touching you!" while doing everything they can to be an annoying hindrance without technically touching you. If you give em a snack then technically you can be said to have started it and somehow you're on punishment even though they were totally goading you.

We already have like five other threads to discuss the Russian foreign policies. :D

Randallteal
May 7, 2006

The tears of time
The Federation tries to avoid starting wars but they ended up blundering into more wars in the back half of the 24th century than the Klingons, Cardassians, or Romulans started intentionally. They led the Borg and Dominion to the Alpha Quadrant. Their peaceful exploration and picking up causes like Bajor go hand in hand with territorial expansion. I'm not saying they're the bad guys but I can see why everyone else in the AQ would be sick of their poo poo after a point. And they enjoy drinking root beer!

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I loving hate root beer.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Atlas Hugged posted:

I loving hate root beer.

That's the one thing in star trek that's mega american to me
Who drinks root beer?

I guess though cola or something like that is trademarked so maybe they couldn't do anything else

Admiralty Flag
Jun 7, 2007

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Don’t underestimate a really good root beer. I’ve had some made by microbreweries that are amazing.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
A show that is made by Americans is going to be very American in ways that the showrunners won't necessarily understand. Rootbeer being just one example.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Paradoxish posted:

forcing a massive show of force to cut down a tiny tree.

For those not familiar:

The US set a couple of guys to trim a tree that was obscuring the view across the DMZ. The DPRK reacts with a couple of trucks worth of soldiers to stop them because Kim Il-Sung personally planted, tended, and loved the tree because of course he did. There's words and two American soldiers are killed with axes and another 10 US and ROK wounded.

The US decides that this time they're cutting the tree down so that no further incidents can occur. And we're doing it with overwhelming force to show the DPRK that the US can arbitrarily deploy such force

Two hundred troops are moved into position to support the direct tree operation. Another infantry company in 27 helicopters are orbiting on standby. US and ROK fighters flew top cover, while B-52s escorted by more fighters performed a show of force.

The DPRK sent 200 troops, who just sort of stood there and gawked at being completely over matched, then did nothing when the US removed some road barriers and the ROK wrecked some DPRK guard posts.

Operation Paul Bunyan was over in 42 minutes.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
I feel like Rootbeer is the most reliable and consistent coke offering at any restaurant or vending machine. They won't always have RC or a knockoff, but they'll always have a Rootbeer and lemonlime pledge soda.

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
Except sometimes they have Mug :barf:

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Root beer is kind of a weird soda in general because there's so many variants out there, a lot of different flavorings used. Different brands can taste very different. I've tried a lot of different brands of root beer and looked at the ingredients, I think the most common is vanilla and yucca root, but different brands throw all kinds of things, many different roots, I think I like acacia, some brands really like focusing on licorice and anise, and I'm not a fan of those.

I think cola-style drinks tend to circle around the same general flavor more, I haven't tried as many because I limit my caffeine intake (as opposed to root beers which tend to lack caffeine). Cola flavor is also kinda weird and hard to place (mainly it's citrus and cinnamon), and it's also much more common around the world, but maybe the fact that it's not as sweet makes it less good for a metaphor for the Federation. Maybe the writers feel weird about using something that is closer to a brand name in the show, whereas root beer is more generic.

"Cream soda" is also a generic flavor of soda that I think is more common around the world than root beer. But it means very different things in different parts of the world. In America it's mainly clear and vanilla, but in Canada there's less vanilla and more sweetness and it's usually pink. In Japan it often is green and melon-flavored, but also they have a big thing about "milk-flavor" over there.

Honorable shoutout to the most ephemeral soda flavor, Dr. Pepper. But that's even more brand-specific, and harder for competitors to match.

The_Other
Dec 28, 2012

Welcome Back, Galaxy Geek.

SlothfulCobra posted:

Honorable shoutout to the most ephemeral soda flavor, Dr. Pepper. But that's even more brand-specific, and harder for competitors to match.

Mitch Hedberg posted:

I had a Mr. Pibb, Mr. Pibb is a replica of Dr. Pepper, but it's a bullshit replica 'cause dude didn't even get his degree. "Why'd you have to drop out and start making pop so soon?"

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


SlothfulCobra posted:

Maybe the writers feel weird about using something that is closer to a brand name in the show, whereas root beer is more generic.

It doesn't sound strange when you refer to it genetically. If they'd said "cola," it doesn't sound right. No one ever just refers to the cola-type drinks by that name. They're always the brand.

Root beer is always just root beer. Doesn't matter if it is Barq's, Mug, IBC, or whatever. You order a root beer and they bring you the kind they have. No one orders a Mug and is asked "is Barq's OK?"

Sprecher is the best though

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

This poo poo drives me insane

https://youtu.be/pLpxYMgQUT4?si=DjNfye4vbImRbRmD

I can’t image spending the money to own an original filming model made by Greg Jein and then just slapping it down on some spray-painted plywood and a couple pegs, running visible wire through gaps in the windows and calling it a day.

Eh, it's certainly not museum quality but for a DIY job it's not too bad. (The only part that's really problematic is the caulk glue, and even that should be removable without too much trouble.) The main thing I would have done differently is to enclose the whole thing behind a big plexiglass sheet, not only to protect against drunkenly stumbling into it but also to keep dust off.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

SlothfulCobra posted:

Root beer is kind of a weird soda in general because there's so many variants out there, a lot of different flavorings used. Different brands can taste very different. I've tried a lot of different brands of root beer and looked at the ingredients, I think the most common is vanilla and yucca root, but different brands throw all kinds of things, many different roots, I think I like acacia, some brands really like focusing on licorice and anise, and I'm not a fan of those.

Methyl salicylate, or oil of wintergreen, is another really common root beer flavouring.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Khanstant posted:

I feel like Rootbeer is the most reliable and consistent coke offering at any restaurant or vending machine. They won't always have RC or a knockoff, but they'll always have a Rootbeer and lemonlime pledge soda.

Yeah but we were saying that that's mega American, I assume you're American (or America's Hat maybe). As an Aussie I'm pretty sure I've literally never seen root beer in my life.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Powered Descent posted:

Eh, it's certainly not museum quality but for a DIY job it's not too bad. (The only part that's really problematic is the caulk glue, and even that should be removable without too much trouble.) The main thing I would have done differently is to enclose the whole thing behind a big plexiglass sheet, not only to protect against drunkenly stumbling into it but also to keep dust off.

Drunkenly stumbling into things is like the RLM brand though.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Arivia posted:

Drunkenly stumbling into things is like the RLM brand though.

That, and convincing media-illiterate dipshits to try and do what they do too, only worse :v:

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

nine-gear crow posted:

That, and convincing media-illiterate dipshits to try and do what they do too, only worse :v:

But they're already so very bad at it


Or is that :thejoke:

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
There’s a 100% chance that thing is somehow destroyed by Rich or Jay within the next three years.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Big Mean Jerk posted:

There’s a 100% chance that thing is somehow destroyed by Rich or Jay within the next three years.

March 23, 2027
MILWAUKEE AREA INDEPENDENT FILMMAKER MICHAEL STOKLASA ARRESTED FOR DOUBLE MURDER

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

A.o.D. posted:

But they're already so very bad at it


Or is that :thejoke:

I guess? Also it's kind of "take how bad Mike, Jay and Rich (and Doug Walker, let's be real here) are at film criticism... and then imagine a gaggle of folks who are even worse somehow" and then out tumbles folks like Jeremy Jahns, Filmento, Mauler and the Critical Drinker and probably a bazillion other also-rans who I don't care to event try and remember.

nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Nov 17, 2023

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

nine-gear crow posted:

I guess? Also it's kind of "take how bad Mike, Jay and Rich (and Doug Walker, let's be real here) are at film criticism... and then imagine a gaggle of folks who are even worse somehow" and then out tumbles folks like Jeremy Jahns, Filmento, Mauler and the Critical Drinker and probably a bazillion other also-rans who I don't care to event try and remember.

i have to disagree, part of what I like about RLM is that they're not bad at film criticism, since they actually make films and have an appreciation for the craft as a craft. they're just jaded fucks is all. don't put them in the same bucket as doug walker lol

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




RLM are bad at actual factual Star Trek knowledge which isn't great when they base criticism on it.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

MikeJF posted:

RLM are bad at actual factual Star Trek knowledge which isn't great when they base criticism on it.

Mike "Picard and Data weren't friends" Stoklasa

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

A.o.D. posted:

But they're already so very bad at it


Or is that :thejoke:

They do it as a joke, but it turns out that even if it's a joke, they still actually really doing it in reality.

So it's still bad.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

nine-gear crow posted:

Mike "Picard and Data weren't friends" Stoklasa

The two videos they did with Mike and Rich spotlighting their favorite TNG episodes was absolutely mind-blowing. I’m pretty sure Mike legitimately thinks Voyager is peak Trek, based on how bland and vanilla his choices were. Rich’s picks were better but not by much.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

SlothfulCobra posted:

They do it as a joke, but it turns out that even if it's a joke, they still actually really doing it in reality.

So it's still bad.

Like that time they were like "We actually liked the Obi-Wan Kenobi show" and their fans were all like "Say 'sike' now." and they were like "No." and it just left a whole generation of irony poisoned dorks in shambles.

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

Arivia posted:

i have to disagree, part of what I like about RLM is that they're not bad at film criticism, since they actually make films and have an appreciation for the craft as a craft.

I don't think I've heard a single good thing about any of their films lol. Even from them themselves.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Boxturret posted:

I don't think I've heard a single good thing about any of their films lol. Even from them themselves.

Yeah, all of RLM's creative endeavors were made ironically to be consumed ironically and far too many people ate the onion, so to speak, on them.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

SlothfulCobra posted:

Root beer is kind of a weird soda in general because there's so many variants out there, a lot of different flavorings used. Different brands can taste very different. I've tried a lot of different brands of root beer and looked at the ingredients, I think the most common is vanilla and yucca root, but different brands throw all kinds of things, many different roots, I think I like acacia, some brands really like focusing on licorice and anise, and I'm not a fan of those.

I think cola-style drinks tend to circle around the same general flavor more, I haven't tried as many because I limit my caffeine intake (as opposed to root beers which tend to lack caffeine). Cola flavor is also kinda weird and hard to place (mainly it's citrus and cinnamon), and it's also much more common around the world, but maybe the fact that it's not as sweet makes it less good for a metaphor for the Federation. Maybe the writers feel weird about using something that is closer to a brand name in the show, whereas root beer is more generic.

"Cream soda" is also a generic flavor of soda that I think is more common around the world than root beer. But it means very different things in different parts of the world. In America it's mainly clear and vanilla, but in Canada there's less vanilla and more sweetness and it's usually pink. In Japan it often is green and melon-flavored, but also they have a big thing about "milk-flavor" over there.

Honorable shoutout to the most ephemeral soda flavor, Dr. Pepper. But that's even more brand-specific, and harder for competitors to match.

The citrus is the citric acid they use, basically all candy does it

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Boxturret posted:

I don't think I've heard a single good thing about any of their films lol. Even from them themselves.

I didn't say they were good. I just said they have made films so they know about what goes into making one.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

MikeJF posted:

Yeah but we were saying that that's mega American, I assume you're American (or America's Hat maybe). As an Aussie I'm pretty sure I've literally never seen root beer in my life.

Starfleet Academy's in San Francisco, at least, so I can see alien cadets going off campus to tour the Olde Americana tourist trap district and getting hooked on stuff like root beer, moon pies and Jell-o salad

Randallteal
May 7, 2006

The tears of time
My headcanon is that Fed citizens are so numb to pleasure and excitement from access to on-demand matter replication and hologram adventures that they become sickos for poo poo like baseball and lounge music. This is also why so many people dream of moving to deserted planets and becoming subsistence farmers in villages with twenty people. You can only run the cocaine orgy party with Cleopatra & Elvis holotape so many times before you're desensitized.

Jimbone Tallshanks
Dec 16, 2005

You can't pull rank on murder.

While he's dying from warp 10 induced rapid evolution-itis Tom tells the Doctor about how he lost his virginity. Threshold is the episode that keeps on giving.

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Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Very 90s writing. I doubt anyone in the Federation gives a poo poo about such a nebulous concept as virginity when holodecks exist.

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