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It’s never gonna happen but a third party needs to handle Gaza. No fly zone over Gaza. Run COIN on the ground to separate Hamas from the population. Splash any IAF that shows up or smoke any IDF that enters the zone and wants to test. Otherwise I feel like the poo poo won’t stop. Fun thought experiment, never gonna happen tho.
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Also mentioned in the article that the rave was originally only going to be on thursday and friday, but got last minute approval from the army to continue on the saturday. Not saying they were complicit or any conspiracy poo poo, just... that's loving bad luck man, goddamn.
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I give it less than 48 hours before one side or the other (or maybe both at the same time) break the ceasefire.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Turns out the body count at the rave was, at least in part, the result of an IDF gunship lighting up party goers. The more that comes out about the IDF response on that day the more it seems they really did just not give a gently caress about separating their own people from the hostiles. Blue on blue between disparate infantry units stumbling over each other while there was no clear C&C I can understand, but stuff like this or the tanks apparently firing on houses with hostages in as prelim to clearing them, it's nuts. Well according to the West Bank settlers NPR interviewed a few weeks ago, the partiers were a bunch of peaceniks, so they had it coming.
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Kazinsal posted:I give it less than 48 hours before one side or the other (or maybe both at the same time) break the ceasefire. At least the death stops for that long.
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Kazinsal posted:I give it less than 48 hours before one side or the other (or maybe both at the same time) break the ceasefire. Historically Hamas are actually pretty good at keeping ceasefires. Or, at least, Israel beats them to the punch on breaking them.
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So I saw this footage released by the Israelis, and to my non-military eyes their soldiers are randomly firing at empty buildings while cowering behind a tank, it's supposed to make them look good but it's the most embarassing and non-professional three stooges level of fighting I have ever seen from a '1st world' military, half the time they're randomly running and cowering it makes them look really stupid and bad and it really reveals how so many of them keep getting got when they're bunched up like this, they're not even lining up or taking proper positioning the way I would see american marines would for example. Aslo, the empty building they're shooting at has perfect line of sight to their bunched up troops, you might as well surrender if your enemy actually has that clear a sight past your tanks. Also not a good look when you have a quadrillion tanks but you enemy are able to get close enough to attack you with small arms:- https://twitter.com/TurkiShalhoub/status/1725955780745040308?s=20 if this footage is not appropriate let me know and I'll remove.
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I have a tiny bit of experience with combat, and some with urban combat, so a few thoughts. While it should be done with a machine gun/crew served, and combined with movement towards the target, they look to be suppressing the building. Judging by the way they are reacting and moving, it looks like they took small arms fire, and stopped. It could also be a form of recon by fire- you put rounds where you would be roles reversed. An added element is to fire near suspected positions to throw dirt and debris in the enemy face. IDF troops have very little practical combat experience and poo poo training. It's also unnatural for most human beings to willingly run forward into invisible hypersonic death. Little training and what could be argued is a conscript force due to mandatory service, and you add the element of panic fire. In combat, the natural condition is "loving terrified". You want to do something, anything that makes you feel productive and stay alive. You will fire at shadows, and you will shoot at nothing just to be doing anything but feel like you are waiting to bleed to death. If you see someone shooting, you will shoot the same thing. In well trained and moderately disciplined forces, this is coordinated and addressed- you will have someone either controlling, or you will have guys disciplined enough to regulate their fires- ie firing a few rounds, look for effect type. The lower the training and discipline, the more likely you will get panic fire. Going off body language, condition of their equipment, the looks on their faces, and just the general vibe, it seems to me that they took fire (or thought they saw something) from -that general vicinity- and are responding like scared kids; they don't have a desired outcome besides stopping the other guy from shooting. From the positioning with the armor, it seems they were more focused from threats to the left (the opposite side from where they are) since they are using the Merkava as cover, but are butt to nut in the open on the other side, violating a cardinal rule in combat- you want space between y ou and your friends, preferably 5 meters. Otherwise, a single grenade or RPG will wreck your whole team. Even spacing of a few feet can make a difference; anecdotal, but my entire team took sprinkles from a single RPG; I got more than my share, and the guy 3 feet away took a single piece that looks like a pimple scar. There are times you'll be forced to be too close, but the bunching up and security posture they are presenting is the hallmark of untrained and undisciplined. I'll probably come back and add another post as I digest it further. E- watching it a few more times, the POV looks to be leadership, and he is 'suppressing' the most likely firing position looking down on the opening of the Merkava. Some of my initial observations were a little off, but I think I added some value, so I'll leave it I'm shocked that the interval between the armor is nonexistent, too. bulletsponge13 fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Nov 19, 2023 |
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Al-Saqr posted:So I saw this footage released by the Israelis, and to my non-military eyes their soldiers are randomly firing at empty buildings while cowering behind a tank, it's supposed to make them look good but it's the most embarassing and non-professional three stooges level of fighting I have ever seen from a '1st world' military, half the time they're randomly running and cowering it makes them look really stupid and bad and it really reveals how so many of them keep getting got when they're bunched up like this, they're not even lining up or taking proper positioning the way I would see american marines would for example. i take it you have not seen the russian tiktok soldiers
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TheWeedNumber posted:At least the death stops for that long. First time?
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Al-Saqr posted:while cowering behind a tank Utilizing cover: the coward's way of fighting. It's hard to tell the context from the clip, but it looks like it's a bunch of confused conscripts who haven't figured out the enemy's location. As someone pointed out, most Israeli soldiers haven't received a lot of training. You're almost never going to be in a situation in an urban environment where you're not in small arms range, especially an area as dense as Gaza. Deploying infantry outside of the armor is a standard tactic in this setting to increase security beyond the tank's line of sight. And as far as hiding behind tanks goes - common sense (and training) dictates you minimize the amount of your body that the enemy can see and shoot. psydude fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Nov 19, 2023 |
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30 million dollar tank destroyeed by 200 dollar munition placed by hand https://twitter.com/aja_egypt/status/1726222079865807103?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg - 4 minutes of combat footage released by Hamas, more zero-distance tank destroying and hand-placed anti-tank charges footage - Incredibly, theres footage of them actively liberating Al-Rantisi Childrens hospital from the IDF, and capturing quadruple the amount of IDF weapons and Uniforms in the hospital than the israelis found in all of Al-Shifa hospital.         Also, the Houthis of Yemen have captured an Israeli Shipping boat in the red sea that was disguised as a Bahamian Ship https://x.com/iranobserver0/status/1726232251124580605?s=46 Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Nov 19, 2023 |
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Al-Saqr posted:30 million dollar tank destroyeed by 200 dollar munition placed by hand quote:Also, the Houthis of Yemen have captured an Israeli Shipping boat in the red sea that was disguised as a Bahamian Ship It's an Israeli-owned ship registered in the Bahamas, not "disguised" as a Bahamian ship. This is a standard practice in the shipping industry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_convenience psydude fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Nov 19, 2023 |
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A Greek managed, Bahaman flagged cargo ship carrying cars from Turkey to India. How will the Israeli economy cope??? e:am actually marvelling that I live in an age where something happens and with a few taps on the keyboard I can get a flood of information about it Alchenar fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Nov 19, 2023 |
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Alchenar posted:A Greek managed, Bahaman flagged cargo ship carrying cars from Turkey to India. How will the Israeli economy cope??? the boat is owned by an israeli company, they're the ones who are gonna be hosed with the insurance/replacement bill. at this point anything to harm israeli economy is a legitimate tactic to stop the genocide. psydude posted:The Merkava has a unit price of $3.5m, not $30m. For comparison, this is less than the unit cost of the Leopard 2 - another modern MBT that's seen fighting in the ME in recent years. 3.5 million dollar tank destroyed by a 200 dollar munition placed by hand.
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Al-Saqr posted:the boat is owned by an israeli company, they're the ones who are gonna be hosed with the insurance/replacement bill. at this point anything to harm israeli economy is a legitimate tactic to stop the genocide. That's... not how insurance works. Although entirely possible they didn't have hijacking insurance. Anyway because everything to do with ships is silly I found out that the Galaxy Leader is insured with The West of England Ship Owners Mutual Insurance Association, which of course is a P&I club incorporated in... Luxembourg. e: I can totally believe it is owned by an Israeli billionaire. Shipping ownership is deliberately set up as a shell game to obscure ownership and if the Houthis picked a target then it's reasonable to lead with a soft assumption that they did their research first. But at worst it really means this one guy needs to check his insurance papers. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Nov 19, 2023 |
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Alchenar posted:That's... not how insurance works. Although entirely possible they didn't have hijacking insurance. I'm also seeing a lot of conflicting stories about the ship's owner. NBC is saying it's owned by a Japanese company, another site is saying it's owned by a UK-based company that's owned by an Israeli guy. Al-Saqr posted:3.5 million dollar tank destroyed by a 200 dollar munition placed by hand. This is why Israel should be deploying infantry alongside their tanks, which is something you were asking about earlier. psydude fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Nov 19, 2023 |
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new details out - The houthis performed a helicopter raid to take over the ship, they flew there and rappelled their guys onto the ship to take it over - there were 56 crew on board https://x.com/aryjeay/status/1726250301097951732?s=46 really impressive work by the houthis, I thought they wouldve gone the speedboat route.
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Some clarification on the owner:quote:It said that the cargo ship, Bahamas-flagged Galaxy Leader, was leased from a British company partly owned by Israeli Rami Unger to a Japanese company. The ship left a port in Turkey headed for India and sailed under the flag of the Bahamas. https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f08086ee9de4195
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Al-Saqr posted:the boat is owned by an israeli company, they're the ones who are gonna be hosed with the insurance/replacement bill. at this point anything to harm israeli economy is a legitimate tactic to stop the genocide. At no point in that video do I see a destroyed tank. I do see what I presume is a very brave palestinian fighter.
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TheWeedNumber posted:It’s never gonna happen but a third party needs to handle Gaza. No fly zone over Gaza. Run COIN on the ground to separate Hamas from the population. Splash any IAF that shows up or smoke any IDF that enters the zone and wants to test. Otherwise I feel like the poo poo won’t stop. yeah, let's pull on this thread, here's an idea: The USA enacts a plan to accelerate the peace process by converting Jerusalem into a Vatican-like independent city-state to be administered by a tribunal of Jewish, Muslim, Roman Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox religious leaders, and secured by an independent contingent of the Swiss Guards. As a nod to Israel, the U.S. Army supplies the IDF with more sophisticated equipment and agrees to construct a training base in the Negev Desert run by the U.S. Army's tank warfare specialists and the revived 10th Cavalry Regiment. The plan will work if we have regular meetings with officials in both Israel and Saudi Arabia.
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e:^^ that plan sounds like the sum of all my fearspsydude posted:Some clarification on the owner: That would explain why it made a bunch of Japan port visits last year. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Nov 19, 2023 |
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Al-Saqr posted:new details out 56 crew is an abnormally large number for a ship like this. Where are you reading that number?
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Alchenar posted:e:^^ that plan sounds like the sum of all my fears Gonna make a big dent in the Israeli economy, that one.
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mlmp08 posted:56 crew is an abnormally large number for a ship like this. Where are you reading that number? PCTC, I think the Japanese sail those with minimal crew so under 20 usually unless there's cadets or whatnot? They don't have 56 staterooms on board, I know that.
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As usual, it's best to wait for the industry media who's main incentive is to be right rather than first: https://www.tradewindsnews.com/casualties/ray-car-carriers-pctc-reported-hijacked-in-red-sea/2-1-1557261 25 crew, currently operated by Japan’s NYK Group.
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Reminder that the IDF and settlers are murdering Palestinians in the West Bank at a significantly higher rate than usual right now.quote:The whole thing was caught in a horrifying video filmed by Taha's sister, Sarah. She had been on the balcony at 3.30am on 18 October.
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pmchem posted:yeah, let's pull on this thread, here's an idea: That won’t help trigger the apocalypse so the American evangelicals will never agree to it.
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pmchem posted:yeah, let's pull on this thread, here's an idea: Tom clancy’d. E: the 10th ACR reference (even though you left the A out) was my focal point for this statement.
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Alchenar posted:As usual, it's best to wait for the industry media who's main incentive is to be right rather than first: https://www.tradewindsnews.com/casualties/ray-car-carriers-pctc-reported-hijacked-in-red-sea/2-1-1557261 So the Houthis engaged in some casual piracy of a ship that only has a very tenuous link to Israel.
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psydude posted:So the Houthis engaged in some casual piracy of a ship that only has a very tenuous link to Israel. Iran's regional strategy is 'if something happens we don't like, we make it everyone's problem. As far as the line they are walking goes it's pretty effective.
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psydude posted:So the Houthis engaged in some casual piracy of a ship that only has a very tenuous link to Israel. It looks like a fairly direct link to Israel in that it's still owned by Ray's Car Carriers despite being operated by the NYK group. I guess if you deny your enemy his ports to some degree, it's not a bad play to make people nervous about insuring those vessels or even going for that port entirely. Why let your enemy's economy happily carry on if you're on hostile footing?
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Luceid posted:It looks like a fairly direct link to Israel in that it's still owned by Ray's Car Carriers despite being operated by the NYK group. I guess if you deny your enemy his ports to some degree, it's not a bad play to make people nervous about insuring those vessels or even going for that port entirely. I'm not trying to be obtuse here, but how does hijacking a ship leased by a Japanese company that was transporting cars from Turkey to India deny Israel their ports and hurt their economy? I could see if the ship was bound for an Israeli port, maybe.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Reminder that the IDF and settlers are murdering Palestinians in the West Bank at a significantly higher rate than usual right now. I’m trying not to be a conspiracist but at some point you have to ask if the IDF is _really_ this bad at optics or what
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psydude posted:I'm not trying to be obtuse here, but how does hijacking a ship leased by a Japanese company that was transporting cars from Turkey to India deny Israel their ports and hurt their economy? I could see if the ship was bound for an Israeli port, maybe. I'll have to check more after work because trying to juggle all this on a phone is annoying. If it's still an asset owned by an Israeli oligarch then it's not too surprising. I'm thinking of the flurry of activity post invasion to put pain on Russian elites, but I am leaving assumptions on the table about how this ownership is structured. Sure, it's going to also sting the Japanese group renting the boat, but surely it's also a pain point for the owner? Edit: ok yeah I need to check on a sane device later because I'm seeing two different ship names being posted around now?? Luceid fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Nov 20, 2023 |
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psydude posted:I'm not trying to be obtuse here, but how does hijacking a ship leased by a Japanese company that was transporting cars from Turkey to India deny Israel their ports and hurt their economy? I could see if the ship was bound for an Israeli port, maybe. It's not effective beyond maybe diverting the property on-board to fund things, I would think.
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