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I hope he doesn't return. Microsoft sinking a cool billion into a company that crumbles over in-fighting is far funnier.
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Original_Z posted:https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1726027499857940656?t=7mB83aqTzExNdOHbwBwTRA&s=33 Can we have a non-twitter explanation pelase?
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Humphreys posted:Can we have a non-twitter explanation pelase? also from someone who doesn't have a loving NFT avatar
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Humphreys posted:Can we have a non-twitter explanation pelase? I won’t vouch for the content, but I’ll post the text because it’s interesting. “NFT Profile Guy” posted:TIMELINE OF THE OPENAI DRAMA ( ALL IS ET )
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Nov 19, 2023 15:53
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I agree, going to an AI art event is grounds for immediate dismissal
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Nov 19, 2023 16:04
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Nov 19, 2023 16:26
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FYI for some loving reason 4chan is playing internet detective about this. I think it's a combination of roko's basilisk and some belief that ((( the board ))) is trying to suppress AI. I'd take anything from unofficial sources with a BIG grain of salt
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Nov 19, 2023 16:47
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Why not just ask ChatGPT how it went?
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Nov 19, 2023 16:50
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Humphreys posted:Can we have a non-twitter explanation pelase? kittens play fight with each other for fun but sometimes they swat at each other a bit too hard and momma cat gets angry and steps in to intervene microsoft is the momma cat in this case and the kittens are ugly tech bros
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Nov 19, 2023 17:06
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Humphreys posted:Can we have a non-twitter explanation pelase? I guess the board got a bug up their rear end about Sam deviating from OpenAI's stated mission and then hosed around and found out what happens when you piss off billions of dollars of capital.
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Nov 19, 2023 17:53
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Nenonen posted:Why not just ask ChatGPT how it went? ChatGPT is too close to the matter to be objective. I asked Bard instead. quote:I couldn't find any publicly available information on why OpenAI fired Sam Altman. However, I did find some speculation on the matter.
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Nov 19, 2023 18:27
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No, no, you don't understand. It is ethical to make $Texas amount of profit, but it is wrong to make $Germany.
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Humphreys posted:Can we have a non-twitter explanation pelase? Everyone involves sucks and should be jettisoned into the sun.
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Nov 19, 2023 19:12
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Original_Z posted:https://x.com/gurgavin/status/1726027499857940656?t=7mB83aqTzExNdOHbwBwTRA&s=33 Is there literally any reason at all to think that this Canadian NFT trader isn't just making poo poo up for views? How does this guy know about the Microsoft CEO's mood or Sam Altman's text message history? Did you pause for even two seconds to ask yourself if this was actually reliable information or not before you posted it?
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Nov 19, 2023 19:46
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It’s not a secret or unexpected that Microsoft is pissed about Altman leaving and a bunch of senior staff resigning too. But it sure is something to post that garbage tweet thread instead of actual news stories saying similar things.
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Nov 20, 2023 02:19
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Sorry about the questionable tweet source! Either way, if MS was angry about the coup I think they’ve gotten over it: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/20/ousted-openai-head-sam-altman-to-lead-microsofts-new-ai-team-ceo-nadella-says.html
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Nov 20, 2023 09:43
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So were just not going to find out why he was actually fired huh? Okay than. Well what ever the reason it seems Microsoft would know and apparently loudly disagrees.
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Nov 20, 2023 09:49
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New CEO is going to be the old CEO of twitch. Poggers. Boy I'm glad openAI are such a small player. Be certainly embarrassing and worrying if this cluster gently caress of management was actually the leader in AI and it was them that every tech company in the world was tripping over themselves to intergrate their stack with.
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4:18 PM SAM ALTMAN EATS A SNACK 4:19 PM SAM ALTMAN HAS MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THE SNACK
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dr_rat posted:So were just not going to find out why he was actually fired huh? The board wanted to keep a research focus like it says in the charter, Sam wanted to shift to a commercialization focus, which Microsoft was very much on board with. Still not clear what the tipping point was exactly,.
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Nov 20, 2023 15:24
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Altman did something, none of this makes sense as "divergent strategic vision" or whatever
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TheScott2K posted:Altman did something, none of this makes sense as "divergent strategic vision" or whatever Best explanation I could find https://time.com/6337437/sam-altman-openai-fired-why-microsoft-musk/ quote:At the same time Altman was pursuing side projects that had the potential to enrich him and his investors, but which were outside of the control of OpenAI’s safety-conscious board. There was Worldcoin, his eyeball-scanning crypto project, which launched in July and was promoted as a potential universal basic income system to make up for AI-related job losses. Altman also explored starting his own AI chipmaker, pitching sovereign wealth funds in the Middle East on an investment that could reach into the tens of billions of dollars, according to a person familiar with the plan. He also pitched SoftBank Group Corp., led by Japanese billionaire and tech investor Masayoshi Son, on a potential multibillion-dollar investment in a company he planned to start with former Apple design guru Jony Ive to make AI-oriented hardware.
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Several OpenAI board members are now apologizing and saying they didn't think it through, but also still not specifying what exactly prompted the sudden surprise firing. https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028
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TheScott2K posted:Altman did something, none of this makes sense as "divergent strategic vision" or whatever the board has been eating enough poo poo they'd have leaked what it was if there was anything. which is surprising as it seemed like there had to be, but clearly this was a AGI IS GOING TO KILL US ALL coup
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Nov 20, 2023 16:22
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Which is hilarious when you look at what currently AI actually does and how it operates. There's plenty of things to be wary about AI with regarding jobs and how it impact the economy, but AI isn't going to skynet'ing us anytime in coming couple of decades.
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dr_rat posted:Which is hilarious when you look at what currently AI actually does and how it operates. There's plenty of things to be wary about AI with regarding jobs and how it impact the economy, but AI isn't going to skynet'ing us anytime in coming couple of decades. the basic theory seems to be that nobody really understands consciousness and so even though all existing AI is basically a parlor trick, perhaps consciousness is simply an emergent property of a collection of intelligence-like parlor tricks such that you combine enough and suddenly out falls a conscious intelligence which is insane but also given how the brain evolved sort of hard to disprove since we still haven't the faintest idea how it really works and layering on additional poo poo at some point did...well, something fairly impressive. we just don't know how or what.
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evilweasel posted:the basic theory seems to be that nobody really understands consciousness and so even though all existing AI is basically a parlor trick, perhaps consciousness is simply an emergent property of a collection of intelligence-like parlor tricks such that you combine enough and suddenly out falls a conscious intelligence It makes some sense in that yeah, it does seem most likely consciousness is just an emergent property of a whole bunch of simple stuff the brain does, but pretty sure were still a long way away from accidentally reproducing it.
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505 of openAIs 700 employees have demanded the board resign.
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i hope at some point in this weird palace intrigue we find out what exactly the actual conflict was. hurry up anonymous leakers!
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Nov 20, 2023 16:38
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heres what gets me: you have all these assholes at ai companies preaching about how ai is gonna ruin humanity or whatever and its the most powerful thing ever built so uh, just stop working on that poo poo then, instead of pretending you're carrying this huge burden like atlas?
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Nov 20, 2023 16:40
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But then China might do it first. Which is very bad for reasons that have nothing to do with racism.
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Mega Comrade posted:But then China might do it first. Which is very bad for reasons that have nothing to do with racism. I mean, yeah. If it were Russia, it would be the same thing. None of the people mentioned work for the government either. I don't think it is too wild that someone who works with AI could think it was potentially bad, but still want to work on it because they are an expert and think they can help avoid the potential pitfalls.
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I know of another Sam that could take Sam Altman's place, he's currently in prison but he has a history of getting tech investors very excited so I'm sure it will work out!
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Mercury_Storm posted:I know of another Sam that could take Sam Altman's place, he's currently in prison but he has a history of getting tech investors very excited so I'm sure it will work out! Sam from Sam and Max??? Because if so obviously yes if the can get him!
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"This is bad but if I don't do it someone worse might" is basically the only tenant of tech industry ethics at this point. You see it all over the industry.
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lol https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/11/sam-altman-open-ai-chatgpt-chaos/676050/ quote:Anticipating the arrival of this all-powerful technology, Sutskever began to behave like a spiritual leader, three employees who worked with him told us. His constant, enthusiastic refrain was “feel the AGI,” a reference to the idea that the company was on the cusp of its ultimate goal. At OpenAI’s 2022 holiday party, held at the California Academy of Sciences, Sutskever led employees in a chant: “Feel the AGI! Feel the AGI!” The phrase itself was popular enough that OpenAI employees created a special “Feel the AGI” reaction emoji in Slack.
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i always thought the chinese room was a pointless navel gazing thought experiment, but then we got a kinda stupid, half functional chinese room and everyone is losing their poo poo, so i guess i'm just a loving idiot
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The thought with Skynet / Rogue AI is always that we flip a switch and give it enough sentience and reason to take us out. What is going to happen is the wrong people with the wrong tools are going to start a class war as capitalism continues it's collapse.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:i always thought the chinese room was a pointless navel gazing thought experiment, but then we got a kinda stupid, half functional chinese room and everyone is losing their poo poo, so i guess i'm just a loving idiot I actually used the Chinese Room as a way to help my father understand that AI doesn't actually understand what it's doing, fundamentally, which helped.
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And I wake up and Microsoft has pounced on Altman. I find this hilarious.
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