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I don’t think they seem particularly advanced, they are just very individually powerful and have used that bully everyone else around them.
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BioEnchanted posted:My theory is that Viltrumites aren't actually all that wise. After all, they thought the great purge was a good idea. Did they think it was a good idea, though? The Viltrumites are basically fascists, and the end point of fascism victorious is the fascists turning on each other in the belief that nobody else is ideologically pure enough. It seems to me that the Great Purge was more inevitable than desirable to anyone.
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Nov 19, 2023 02:13
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gently caress that guy in the support group that broke the rules first and then got mad at Debbie
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MonsterEnvy posted:I don’t think they seem particularly advanced, they are just very individually powerful and have used that bully everyone else around them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jwL1lpkmRs Look at their city. They've built space ships to cross the galaxy. They're pretty advanced, even if they don't have teleporters and ray guns.
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Nov 19, 2023 02:54
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i mean advanced compare to Earth of course, because earth sucks. But compared to every other planet we seen in the alliance that all seem to have space traveling tech. as well? Maybe a little more advanced. what do they actually do with it once they actually conquer a planet?
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GateOfD posted:
I'm reminded of a dude I knew in the service who, when asked the inevitable bullshit question "what would you do with millions of dollars?" answered "I'd buy an island. I asked him what the gently caress he would do with an island and he didn't miss a beat: "Defend it."
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GateOfD posted:what do they actually do with it once they actually conquer a planet? I doubt they actually do anything with those planets, the point is just to possess them, as an assertion of dominance.
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Nov 19, 2023 03:53
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GateOfD posted:i mean advanced compare to Earth of course, because earth sucks. But compared to every other planet we seen in the alliance that all seem to have space traveling tech. as well? Maybe a little more advanced. I imagine it's make more Viltrumites and keep expanding the empire?
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Nov 19, 2023 04:28
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It's literally never explained. Slave labour? To do what exactly? Resources? They don't need it. A pat on the head maybe? Like "oh! well done." I just assumed it was because they have nothing better to do with their time, other than beat people up. A wise planet would take one look at the carnage wrought on others and say "sure guys, we will wave your flag, you're the boss, what's the plan?"
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Nov 19, 2023 10:33
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Also Normal Human is so relatable. I too love running in a stationary position!
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I like that not even Rex buys his Normal Human shtick, they're all just putting up with it because he's got a neat ability and seems harmless.
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Nov 19, 2023 14:44
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It's amusing that in so much sci-fi aliens don't seem to have any sense of fashion. Everyone from a particular planet always wears the exact same thing, likely because it's easier to draw, but you'd think some of them would get bored of the same jumpsuits and start customising them (the Viltrumites have an excuse that it's a military uniform). It's actually a plot point in Xenoblade Chronicles X's side-stories that because the Ma Non never thought to care about food or clothes because they all hyperfixate on technology, when they meet humans for the first time and get introduced to Cuisine and fashion and things they go all in on it because it's fascinating to them, with a few exceptions like one guy refuses an offer of a toy (so opts for cuisine instead starting that whole mess) because one time he got overstimulated, bought too many toys and his partner got annoyed with him.
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Nov 19, 2023 15:22
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RareAcumen posted:I imagine it's make more Viltrumites and keep expanding the empire? thing is its mentioned they're about racial purity, so crossbreeding wouldn't be their goal either. and they went so far as to purge half their own population. trying to 'cull the weak' and only keeping the strong doesn't make sense either, cause honestly, compared to them. EVERYONE is weak and should be killed. But Omni-man was talking about how they can cure cancer on earth (maybe i heard wrong, or bring their technology it was) and all that if they only just submit.
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GateOfD posted:But Omni-man was talking about how they can cure cancer on earth (maybe i heard wrong, or bring their technology it was) and all that if they only just submit. Yeah in the first ep of this season, an evil Invincible is talking on the TV about how being part of the Viltrumite empire means no disease or hunger etc if they just submit. So, if this is at all accurate (and tbh I think it's at least partially accurate, there's just a whole lot of subjection going on besides), then Viltrumites seem to have a civilizing mission thing going on: we're the best, and it just offends the hell out of us that all these weaklings are out there loving up without our guidance, so we're going to come in and straighten poo poo out. I guess when you have godlike power compared to every other intelligent being, pride is a decent enough motive.
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It seems dumb to drop the Allen the Alien supersoldier program just because he couldn't take a Viltrumite in single combat. He's still the best they've got; maybe two or three of him could take a Viltrumite, and an entire army could take a smaller army of Viltrumites.
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My guess would be they dropped it because the failure rate was so high, and most of the results so freakish (two eyes?!?!?!) that they decided to focus on just keeping their race alive.
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If the Coalition of Planets was smart or well-run, Allen would have more than like a day of being back before the Viltrumites swept in after the mole tipped them off. You can't even say they're losing the war with Viltrum because it's not much of a fight.
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Cojawfee posted:The viltrumites seem like any advanced race in any sci-fi. They are complete douchebags, are dumb as poo poo, and can't understand why everyone else just doesn't submit to them.
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GateOfD posted:i mean advanced compare to Earth of course, because earth sucks. But compared to every other planet we seen in the alliance that all seem to have space traveling tech. as well? Maybe a little more advanced. plotensraum
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RareAcumen posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jwL1lpkmRs Who’s to say they built all of that and didn’t just steal a lot of that from others. Viltrumites are perfectly capable of flying to other planets under their own power. RareAcumen posted:I imagine it's make more Viltrumites and keep expanding the empire? MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Nov 20, 2023 |
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The Viltrumites being Saiyans just becomes more of an apt comparison the more we learn about them, huh? I guess there's some Planet Trade Organization thrown in there, too.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:The Viltrumites being Saiyans Not really, though it can seem that way since Mark is getting stronger so quickly. That would be happening even without the constant rear end beatings. There's a much more explicit DBZ stand-in that we may or may not cover this season. Admin Edit: Post was reported for breaking spoiler rules. I spoiled it. I have no idea if it is or isn't.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Who’s to say they built all of that and didn’t just steal a lot of that from others. Viltrumites are perfectly capable of flying to other planets under their own power. In the latest episode the bug alien says he's taking Mark a couple galaxies away. Which is a hell of a distance for his dad to fly. But I'm going to put that at the feet of the eternal inability of writers to understand the difference between star systems, galaxies and universes.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:In the latest episode the bug alien says he's taking Mark a couple galaxies away. Which is a hell of a distance for his dad to fly. Which do you think is the worse for that?
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I can't recall did Olga know who Debbie's husband was?
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Megillah Gorilla posted:In the latest episode the bug alien says he's taking Mark a couple galaxies away. Which is a hell of a distance for his dad to fly. The bug's entire story turned out to be bullshit. We have no idea how far away the planet actually is.
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SimonChris posted:The bug's entire story turned out to be bullshit. We have no idea how far away the planet actually is. Not that it matters, Invincible works on Star Wars travel rules in that everybody can reach any location in the exact amount of time the plot demands.
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SimonChris posted:The bug's entire story turned out to be bullshit. We have no idea how far away the planet actually is. Six days travel from Earth.
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Jedit posted:Six days travel from Earth. You'd be hard pressed to even leave the solar system in that time That's one thing multi-verse settings have going for them at least - fast travel to distant lands falls within the suspension of disbelief. Though it would be kinda funny if they tried for a bit of realism and that "six days travel" was at relativistic speed so when Invincible gets back thousands of years have passed TheBlackVegetable fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Nov 20, 2023 |
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TheBlackVegetable posted:You'd be hard pressed to even leave the solar system in that time There's no point in saying that when a ship capable of intergalactic travel would have to be able to go faster. Spaceships travel at the speed of plot. We don't need to know the hows and whys of it.
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Hughlander posted:Which do you think is the worse for that? Star Trek. Star Wars is space fantasy, so I give them a pass for being ridiculous.
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Jedit posted:There's no point in saying that when a ship capable of intergalactic travel would have to be able to go faster. Spaceships travel at the speed of plot. We don't need to know the hows and whys of it. Yes but I guess that's my point. I think I've mentioned it before but I find it hard enough to suspend disbelief with characters that can annihilate entire cities in seconds and throw giant asteroids back into space yet randomly struggle with punching humanoid sized creatures into submission. Nothing is to scale, and it randomly fluctuates based on what needs to happen It's annoying when fantastical settings lack so much in imagination for tying things coherently together - "it's like this because that's the way the plot needs it to be" is frustrating because there's constantly the question of 'why is this even a problem?' turn brain off and enjoy the spectacle I suppose TheBlackVegetable fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Nov 20, 2023 |
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TheBlackVegetable posted:Yes but I guess that's my point. I think I've mentioned it before but I find it hard enough to suspend disbelief with characters that can annihilate entire cities in seconds and throw giant asteroids back into space yet randomly struggle with punching humanoid sized creatures into submission. Nothing is to scale, and it randomly fluctuates based on what needs to happen That's not valid. If you're able to accept the premise of a superhuman who is massively strong and virtually indestructible, then it is not inconsistent in scale for another superhuman to exist who is tough enough to withstand them or strong enough to hurt them. Not everyone is created equal in reality, so why is it a problem for you that not everyone is created equal in fiction?
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The speed of light in Ben-Day dots is ten million kilometers per microsecond.
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Affi posted:I can't recall did Olga know who Debbie's husband was? Yes. She even tells Debbie not to blame herself as she was just as much of a victim as everyone else.
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Jedit posted:There's no point in saying that when a ship capable of intergalactic travel would have to be able to go faster. Spaceships travel at the speed of plot. We don't need to know the hows and whys of it. Yeah. Space is just too enormous for most sci-fi stories to actually work, unless you're specifically telling a hard sci-fi story about generation ships or relativistic speeds that catapult them a thousand years into the "future" or something. You just can't have a Millennium Falcon that hops from planet to planet in less time than it takes for civilizations to collapse if you're not willing to handwave a lot of the traveling.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Yes. She even tells Debbie not to blame herself as she was just as much of a victim as everyone else. I got the impression most of the Guardians knew each other on a personal basis too. It's why they dropped the line about The Green Ghost kept her partner separate from that life. That's not to say Olga didn't know about him and set up Debbie with that particular group to create that run in to torture her. Or even hired him to pretend to be her partner. I spoiled it because it's been so long since I read the books I can't remember if it's my speculation or a half remembered plot from the books.
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Green Ghost was a guy in the comics, and barely anything about the civilian lives of the Guardians was explored. Heck, the brief exploration in S1E1, where we see what everyone is up to as they get the summons, was more characterization than the comics gave before they get turbo-murdered by Nolan. I feel there will be some kind of confrontation between Debbie and Olga, but, hopefully, it comes down to them taking that guy to task for being a huge rear end in a top hat
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Aces High posted:Green Ghost was a guy in the comics, and barely anything about the civilian lives of the Guardians was explored. Heck, the brief exploration in S1E1, where we see what everyone is up to as they get the summons, was more characterization than the comics gave before they get turbo-murdered by Nolan. In the Atom Eve special he's also a guy and I think the father of the one killed by omniman. The powers were from some amulet or stone that I guess can just be passed on to another person.
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I doubt Olga set things up to screw over Debbie. That's just getting into torture porn territory, particularly since Debbie has been shown to be on good terms with her even before the Omni-Man reveal. It also requires her to set up a lot of coincidences, like Green Ghost's partner being willing to doxx himself and also get close to Debbie as opposed to everyone remaining anonymous and talking about their problems indirectly.
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