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Bernie Williams should've gotten in. Dude was CLEARLY the 2nd best centerfielder of his era after Griffey Jr. 7 years in a row of 900 OPS's as a friggin centerfielder and 3 hitter for the best team of his generation. Under 10% really was a farce.
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Nov 21, 2023 04:41
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I just assumed Bernie was in ? What is going on
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Nov 21, 2023 04:42
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all of the worst inductees over the years have been from committees
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Nov 21, 2023 04:52
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I think Lofton was better but he did even worse in the voting.
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Nov 21, 2023 04:52
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Did anyone who watched baseball in the 90s/00s ever think “Scott Rolen is one of the best players in baseball”? Like maybe? If a ran through a few dozen other names first? He was an accumulator, which is fine, and I’m not upset he’s in. But let’s not act like if he didn’t get in that people would be out there with torches and pitchforks. I also think he gets a lot of credit for being a “clean” player in the steroid era, which is its own minefield of presumption.
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Nov 21, 2023 04:54
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Since Rolen was lumped in with Rizzuto earlier, Rolen's career OPS+ over 17 seasons was the same as Rizzuto's MVP season OPS+ in addition to winning 8 gold gloves
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Nov 21, 2023 04:57
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It's fine and good actually for guys like Rolen to get in despite being under-appreciated during their career. That's why we have stats and there is a waiting period before voting, to allow for some perspective and re-evaluation of guys like that.
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Nov 21, 2023 05:09
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I will always remember Rolen simply creating a black hole in the general area of 3rd base where baseballs went to die, regardless of how fast they were going. I remember shouting a bunch of "loving Scott Rolen"s at the TV during Cubs/Cards games
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Nov 21, 2023 05:17
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Spring Break My Heart posted:I think Lofton was better but he did even worse in the voting. Kenny Lofton 107 OPS+ Bernie Williams 125 OPS+
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Nov 21, 2023 05:23
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Bernie Williams was as good a defensive centre fielder as Jeter was a defensive SS
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Nov 21, 2023 05:40
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Lofton, Jones, Edmonds, and Damon all have better JAWS than Williams
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Nov 21, 2023 05:44
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the defensive metrics hate him and that is killing all his HOF metrics because idk how you can say 7 years in a row of 900+ OPS as a centerfielder shouldn't get you into the hall of fame IMO.
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Nov 21, 2023 05:46
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So we are in agreement that Jim Edmonds is overqualified?
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Nov 21, 2023 05:49
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get lofton in and i'll contemplate bernie williams: hall of famer. until then, no.
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Nov 21, 2023 05:54
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I like how we got the defense is 10% of the game post right before defense played a massive part in various playoff series
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Nov 21, 2023 05:58
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The defensive metrics hate Bernie Williams because he sucked at defense hth
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Nov 21, 2023 06:01
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Eric the Mauve posted:So we are in agreement that Jim Edmonds is overqualified? can't believe they've ignored Tim Salmon all these years too
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Nov 21, 2023 06:04
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keep Jim Edmonds out of the hall but put edmonds.swf in the hall
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maffew buildings posted:The defensive metrics hate Bernie Williams because he sucked at defense hth Is Bernie Williams bad at defense? No, it's the metrics that are wrong.
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Nov 21, 2023 06:06
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Excited for McMagic's support for George Springers HOF credentials in due time.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Excited for McMagic's support for George Springers HOF credentials in due time. No cheating astros in the hall. They literally had no other sanction whatsoever. Edmonds should've probably been in tbh. Another elite offensive player.
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Nov 21, 2023 06:13
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there's no way the writers find a way to keep Verlander out of the hall even with 2017 right?
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Nov 21, 2023 06:20
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Jim Edmonds isn’t in the hof??
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Some Numbers posted:there's no way the writers find a way to keep Verlander out of the hall even with 2017 right? The pitchers will probably not be punished for the cheating scandal.
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Some Numbers posted:Is Bernie Williams bad at defense? Exactly
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mcmagic posted:The pitchers will probably not be punished for the cheating scandal.
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I looked it up and Edmonds is somehow not only not in the hall to fame he didn’t make it past the first round of voting (2.5%) This process needs total reform
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Nov 21, 2023 06:36
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bawfuls posted:neither will the hitters, aside from maybe Beltran having to wait a few years longer than he otherwise would hilariously Altuve is the most likely to get in unless he just falls off a cliff (other than Beltran who was the mastermind)
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mcmagic posted:The pitchers will probably not be punished for the cheating scandal. You could strike that entire year from him and he still pretty easily makes it
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Nov 21, 2023 11:05
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If you believe the Eye Test and the gold glove voters that Jim Edmonds was an all time great defensive CF, he is an obvious Hall of Famer. If however you believe the fancystats that he was a merely adequate defensive CF who made a lot of diving plays on balls Andruw or Lofton would have caught flatfooted, Edmonds is a borderline candidate you can argue about which between him and the other two was overall best. All three were better than Bernie Williams.
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Nov 21, 2023 12:12
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Bernie Williams should be in, but so should Lofton and Edmonds
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Bernie Williams would be one of the worst inductees in the hall. He's not even borderline.
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Eric the Mauve posted:If you believe the Eye Test and the gold glove voters that Jim Edmonds was an all time great defensive CF, he is an obvious Hall of Famer. Eh even at the time he was playing before the fancystats people said Edmonds would play extra shallow and for that reason ended up making a ton of diving plays that would normally be routine Also edmonds.swf
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Nov 21, 2023 15:47
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Bernie is as good or better than Kirby Puckett But regardless he was a great player on one of baseballs most legendary teams. He deserves in for that
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Looking forward to Tino Martinez's HOF induction speech
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euphronius posted:But regardless he was a great player on one of baseballs most legendary teams. He deserves in for that
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It really just depends on whether you're a big hall or small hall guy I think historically baseball has been big hall enough that Bernie should at least get the full 10 years on the ballot (or however long it is now) even if you don't let him in e: It's funny to see Bernie have 4 gold gloves and then you look at his dWAR and it's worse than Jeter and of his gold glove years he didn't finish with a positive dWAR a single time Intruder fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Nov 21, 2023 |
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Those measurements are all garbage
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I mean Jim rice and Andre Dawson are in
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