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100 players only in the the HoF, when a new guy goes in, someone has to come out.
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euphronius out here justifying all the Small Hallers like myself by pointing out the worst inductees
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Nov 21, 2023 16:32
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Put Beltre in, then close the hall of fame. It peaked.
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Nov 21, 2023 16:32
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Dawson was a stud lol he should be in. You could call him an accumulator for playing 21 years but having a long career is also valuable I think we should instead focus on guys who should be in but aren't like Dick Allen
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Nov 21, 2023 16:33
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No Safe Word posted:euphronius out here justifying all the Small Hallers like myself by pointing out the worst inductees Can’t be a small hall without bonds Clemens etc Writers have already given up on small hall
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Nov 21, 2023 16:33
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I guess Mike Cameron and Devon White are going in now too.
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Nov 21, 2023 16:33
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Bernie Williams won 4!!!! Rings He was a cog in a super famous team Cameron and devo were not
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Nov 21, 2023 16:34
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I’m a big hall guy for players I liked and a small hall guy for players I didn’t. Jeter out, Juan González in.
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Nov 21, 2023 16:35
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Would you put Robert Horry in the NBA hall
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Nov 21, 2023 16:35
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Devon White won 3!!!
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Nov 21, 2023 16:35
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euphronius posted:Bernie Williams won 4!!!! Rings lol the 92/93 Jays???
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Nov 21, 2023 16:36
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I’m a big hall guy for players I liked and a small hall guy for players I didn’t. Jeter out, Juan González in. Juan Gonzalez deserves note at least for winning two of the least deserved MVPs in baseball history and arguably the single least deserved one in 96 How the gently caress did Griffey finish FOURTH?!
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Nov 21, 2023 16:36
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Horry was not a full time starter like Bernie was
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Nov 21, 2023 16:36
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Intruder posted:Would you put Robert Horry in the NBA hall Everybody gets in the NBA hall https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1726983462933156314 Ichiro went old hoss radbourne on a team of 15 yo girls yesterday
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Nov 21, 2023 16:36
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euphronius posted:Horry was not a full time starter like Bernie was You're right, Bernie was the 7th or 8th most important player on 4 championship teams, hall of fame baybee
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Nov 21, 2023 16:38
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More like 4th or 5th but yes
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Nov 21, 2023 16:39
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Intruder posted:Juan Gonzalez deserves note at least for winning two of the least deserved MVPs in baseball history and arguably the single least deserved one in 96 I can’t hear you over all these RBIs
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Nov 21, 2023 16:42
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Intruder posted:Eh even at the time he was playing before the fancystats people said Edmonds would play extra shallow and for that reason ended up making a ton of diving plays that would normally be routine Thinking about Edmonds reminds me of Bill James' wonderful description of Carney Lansford: "I don't think I ever saw a regular third baseman who had less range than Carney Lansford. The reason is, he dived for everything, and I mean everything. You could not hit a ball so close to Carney Lansford's left or right that he wouldn't dive for it. You could hit the ball three feet from Lansford on his glove side, and he'd dive for it and come up short half the time. And the cheerleaders in the press box used to rave about his defense because he made all those diving stops. His range was however far he could dive; not a step and a dive, just a dive. He was a good hitter, but he was an awful third baseman." What I've seen on him in old games on youtube supports this, practically every ball hit his way he would dive for. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Nov 21, 2023 |
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Nov 21, 2023 16:43
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Devon White was probably the 3rd or 4th best player on the 92/93 Jays. Stick him in the HOF. He's got lots of gold gloves and 3!!! World Series baby
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Nov 21, 2023 16:44
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No one remembers or cares about those Jays teams I had completely forgot about them for example
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Nov 21, 2023 16:45
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Eric the Mauve posted:Thinking about Edmonds reminds me of Bill James' wonderful description of Carney Lansford: Kind of like the opposite of Adam Everett who got to basically every ball and made it look so effortless you'd think it was a routine play, and the ones he did dive for most shortstops wouldn't come close to even making a play on but he'd get credited with an error when it deflected off his glove or something Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I can’t hear you over all these RBIs He finished with 4 more RBI than Griffey in 96 lol
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Nov 21, 2023 16:45
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euphronius posted:No one remembers or cares about those Jays teams Were you singing God Bless America as you typed this?
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Nov 21, 2023 16:48
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I too forgot about one of the most famous moments in world series history that is included in literally every compilation of huge baseball moments "Touch em all, Joe" is a quote very few people ar aware of e: I'm not trying to be combative here, just teasing 
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Nov 21, 2023 16:49
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What are you referring to ?
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Nov 21, 2023 16:50
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Andre Dawson has a 15 WAR edge over Bernie Williams
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Nov 21, 2023 16:51
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bawfuls posted:Andre Dawson has a 15 WAR edge over Bernie Williams also an MVP
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Nov 21, 2023 16:52
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euphronius posted:Can’t be a small hall without bonds Clemens etc Jack Morris, Harold Baines, Phil Rizzuto: all by committees
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Nov 21, 2023 16:53
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zoux posted:Everybody gets in the NBA hall A good time for a reminder that when he was 49 Jamie Moyer was still pitching in the major leagues. Intruder posted:also an MVP A very memorable MVP at that! It was probably the single worst MVP choice of all time that wasn't a relief pitcher.
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Nov 21, 2023 16:57
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zoux posted:Everybody gets in the NBA hall The tweet leaves out the important detail that it was an all-star team
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Nov 21, 2023 16:58
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Yeah it was definitely a "lead the league in homers" MVP but it's not the worst ever
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Nov 21, 2023 16:58
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Intruder posted:Yeah it was definitely a "lead the league in homers" MVP but it's not the worst ever Who are you nominating? e: Just to set the table for this, Dawson in 1987 didn't even rate in the top ten in the National League in batting WAR, and he was a negative value fielder. Juan Gonzalez 1996 is comparable. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Nov 21, 2023 |
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Nov 21, 2023 16:59
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Juan Gonzalez in 96
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There’s like a decade+ worth of MVPs where the writers refused to vote for someone who’d won it previously, so go look at MVP voting during Babe Ruth’s prime for some bad ballots
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Nov 21, 2023 17:01
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bawfuls posted:There’s like a decade+ worth of MVPs where the writers refused to vote for someone who’d won it previously, so go look at MVP voting during Babe Ruth’s prime for some bad ballots IIRC in Babe Ruth's time it was actually prohibited by the voting rules to vote for a previous winner
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Nov 21, 2023 17:02
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The guy who really got burned by the unspoken rule to not vote for previous MVP winners was Willie Mays. There was a 10-12-year stretch where Mays was the best player in the NL pretty much every season, and he took home two trophies for his troubles, eleven years apart (and you know the writers only begrudgingly gave him the second one).
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Nov 21, 2023 17:07
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I mean it's always been the case that the all time greats don't win nearly as many MVPs as they should, simply because it's boring to vote for the same guy every year. Bonds won 7 but should have won about 12. Trout won 3, should have been 6.
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Nov 21, 2023 17:09
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I know I'm opening a can of worms here but one of Trout's should have gone to Bregman 
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Nov 21, 2023 17:10
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Eric the Mauve posted:I mean it's always been the case that the all time greats don't win nearly as many MVPs as they should, simply because it's boring to vote for the same guy every year. Bonds won 7 but should have won about 12. Trout won 3, should have been 6. It was real bad in Mays’s case, though. Imagine watching Mays put up an 11-win season in 1964 and deciding to vote for Johnny Callison and his .809 OPS (out of a corner outfield spot!) instead. It’s one thing to lose out to Henry Aaron or Frank Robinson or whoever, but…
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Looking through Baseball-Reference and Willie Stargell in 1979 looks real bad e: Don Baylor in the AL that year also looks terrible so that's definitely the worst year overall IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Nov 21, 2023 |
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That's kind of a who cares because he didn't win outright And yes, as per your edit Baylor was worse e: ok Stargell got the most first place votes which is hilarious
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