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Nov 21, 2023 09:22
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Loving Kotonowaka looking like an ozeki. I'm ready for Kotozakura. Btw, had to tidy up the new spreadsheet a bit now that bonuses are coming. It appears to be working properly at this point. Day 9 standings Makuuchi code:code:
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Nov 21, 2023 10:57
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I saw this footage of young Ura from a midnightsumo mod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA6xq5FLrWc If there's similar footage of other makuuchi rikishi I'd love to see it, makes them more relatable while showing us how they were prodigies in their youth.
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Nov 21, 2023 15:12
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Abi please stop tripping you're killing me
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Nov 21, 2023 15:53
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Even in the loss, I'm glad to see Takayasu looking competitive. Was starting to worry after a few milquetoast bouts over the past basho..
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Nov 21, 2023 16:38
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Tracker is now updated to Day 10 The following participants have Kotoeko who is kyujo on Day 10. Is auto-trading still a thing for week 2 injuries Kenning? captainblastum Crusty Nutsack Eldoop Jobbo_Fett Mode 7 QuasiQuack Single Tight Female
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Nov 21, 2023 16:51
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wodin posted:If he actually pulled off any yusho they'd be setting new historical precedent to deny him the rope. I don't think we have to worry about it though, there's no way his current form is clearing all 3 of the ozeki without a loss Yeah, doubt it happens, bu if it does, everyone would instantly need to shut the hell up forever about the JSA/YDC hating Hak and his boys because this would be a far greater screwjob than anything they ever did.
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Nov 21, 2023 16:58
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Eldoop posted:八山本 This took me a bit because I didn't realize that 本 could be 'hon' and 'moto', but should the first kanji be 一? (I'm very much a beginner with Japanese) Nativity In Black fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Nov 21, 2023 |
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Nov 21, 2023 19:20
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day 10: good god the THUD at the end of Hoshoryu/WMH
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Nov 21, 2023 19:44
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Nativity In Black posted:This took me a bit because I didn't realize that 本 could be 'hon' and 'moto', but should the first kanji be 一? You're spot on, but check his score  it also reads nicely... At least that's what I presume OP's original intent was 
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Nov 21, 2023 23:06
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 I think I didn't even consider the pun because my brain was stuck trying to figure out hachiyamahon... Eight mountain book? Today I've also learned that 本 can be interpreted as 'source' much makes a lot of things make way more sense (including 日本). Nativity In Black fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Nov 22, 2023 |
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Nov 21, 2023 23:51
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Current thoughts on some the rikishi: Atamifuji is looking very strong again. I hope he can handle the pressures of high Maegashira ranks come Jan. Kotonowaka could be a new Ozeki. He would have to win out and he has Takakeisho tomorrow so it's a rough go at it but he's fun to watch. Takakeisho is probably not getting the rope even if he wins with a 12--3. Hokuseiho looks super weak for a dude his size. 6'8", 400lbs and he's been carried out twice and he had a hard time against Midorifuji, the smallest man in Makuuchi. Midorifuji looking great with those throws, much better than when he was trying to push out the opponent. Onosho gave up on his fancy hands and that's why he's sucking. SHODAI is a perfect 5-5 right now, right where he should be. Holy poo poo at that ending between WMH and Hoshoryu, hope they will be okay. Finally, dunno why Asanoyama bothered to jump in on Day 8. Should have just rested.
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Nov 22, 2023 05:41
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Hokuseiho firmly holds down the spot of the most boring rikishi in the top division.
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Nov 22, 2023 07:14
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Abi and Shodai are the most confusing rikishi
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Nov 22, 2023 09:30
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Banana Canada posted:Tracker is now updated to Day 10 Yeah, we're doing auto-trading. They get the fusen loss alongside Kotoeko, but for Day 11 we'll have these trades for Kotoeko on their teams: code:Day 10 standings Makuuchi code:code:
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Nov 22, 2023 09:39
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truly one of the shodai matches of all time
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Nov 22, 2023 10:10
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Is forklifting Hokuseiho the new cool meme for strong rikishi? Feel like once Nishikigi proved it could be done everyone is gonna want to join the club, dude's just big and seems to have no problem with letting rikishi get inside and onto his belt, wonder what Coach Hak has up his sleeve to counter it.
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Nov 22, 2023 11:12
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Tracker is now updated to Day 11 The following participants have ___Takanosho___ who is kyujo on Day 11. * Crusty Nutsack (no further trades since their only other pick is Atamifuji?) * Jobbo_Fett (gets Hokuseiho? or no trade if Hokuseiho is full?) Kennedy (gets Mitakeumi?) oldskool (gets Hokuseiho? or no trade if Hokuseiho is full?) * Unfortunately for these two, they got a kyujo trade yesterday only to get another kyujo rikishi and fusensho loss today!
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Nov 22, 2023 13:16
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Banana Canada posted:Tracker is now updated to Day 11 I think those two bad days in a row that I had has stopped my chances of ascension to the top of Juryo. I promise that my Sumo will be better next Basho. Thanks Banana Canada!
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Nov 22, 2023 13:32
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Kuros posted:Current thoughts on some the rikishi: tl;dr: I think its probably a calculated risk to mitigate the back slide down the rankings chart when he's getting relatively old for a rikishi I think the logic has to go something like this: Asanoyama is M1. IIRC, the formula for banzuke moves is something like (wins-losses) = number of steps up or down. If Asanoyama goes 0-15, this in theory puts him somewhere around M15/16. Granted I think there is a bit of leeway when people are kyujo. Regardless, he'd probably be one poor performance away from demotion. That demotion isn't likely but there's another side effect: He's far far away from sanyaku again. When Asanoyama got back to Makuuchi he got a jun-yusho with a 12-3 score. This got him to M4 (so actually 10 steps up instead of 9, but probably an extra bump because of the tournament runner up). He's then been putting up fairly even records (probably partly due to injury) but they've been winning records so it's 2 more tournaments up to M1 and now back on the cusp of sanyaku. Lets imagine he goes 5-10 or 4-11, this is 5 and 7 steps down respectively, putting him say M6-8. A decent showing in January could get him back up to M1 and maybe sanyaku by mid year. If he's out the entire tournament he probably wouldn't be sanyaku till the end of next year ,and he's gonna hit 30 next year. So a part of him is probably concerned that time is ticking. All that said, I don't think this is a great reason to not rest. He's more likely to exacerbate an injury this way and cause himself to spend more time putting performances that are less than his best. Plus, they seem to be giving him what would normally be first week matchups for someone at M1? He's going through all the sanyaku, and unlike the past couple tournaments, the title holders seem to be firing on all cylinders from the get go. Compare that to the other M1, Ura. He's already gone through the gauntlet and has a losing score so he faced off against Tobizaru today who's at M3 (also with a pretty mediocre score so far this tournament).  Edit: Speaking of I was kinda hoping for a repeat of the last time that Ura and Tobizaru faced off (at least I think it was last time). Which basically turned into the sumo version of a lucha match. This one was much more classic sumo. Nativity In Black fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Nov 22, 2023 |
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Nov 22, 2023 16:50
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Kerrzhe posted:truly one of the shodai matches of all time Shodai is the only rikishi shikona that is noun, verb, and adjective.
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Nov 22, 2023 18:00
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Banana Canada posted:Tracker is now updated to Day 11 well gently caress
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Nov 23, 2023 00:36
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Happy Kanksgiving from the Midnight Sumo family: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlygL_nThhk
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Nov 23, 2023 09:03
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Shiroc posted:Hokuseiho firmly holds down the spot of the most boring rikishi in the top division. His tachiai of standing straight up and waddling forward is so ugly that he has no chance of progressing when his fundamentals are that bad.
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Nov 23, 2023 09:46
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I hope that Kirishima and Hoshoryu can get yokozuna soon. They both seem like they're getting better and stronger and it would be nice to have some stable, long running yokozuna keeping the division honest.Lid posted:His tachiai of standing straight up and waddling forward is so ugly that he has no chance of progressing when his fundamentals are that bad. "What if late period Ichinojo but worse in every metric except off-dohyo behavior?"
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Nov 23, 2023 10:07
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Banana Canada posted:Tracker is now updated to Day 11 Brutal stuff. Yeah, unfortunately the only possible trade at this point is Kennedy getting Mitakeumi. Hokuseiho and Atamifuji are full, so there's no trade for the rest. If you're interested, feel free to review the Extremely fine-grained kyujo auto-trading rules that we've labored over. No one else gets trade penalties, but it's a rough last couple days, sorry buds. I don't have a lot to add to this, but I think it's pretty smart analysis, and it's exactly the sort of stuff I love about sumo. I like Asanoyama, and I think he belongs in the san'yaku, and should be contending to regain ozeki. Him doing what he can to keep that goal in reach is a sort of heroism, and I think we see that same thing from people like Ura and Nishikigi, and of course from Tochi and Teru etc., and it's what makes this sport so exciting and moving. Log082 posted:Shodai is the only rikishi shikona that is noun, verb, and adjective. I've never been one of the Shodai guys in this thread, but over time, as the river erodes the rock, the Shodai guys have made me realize that I will miss Shodai when he's gone. Lid posted:His tachiai of standing straight up and waddling forward is so ugly that he has no chance of progressing when his fundamentals are that bad. I want to love Hokuseiho so bad and he just keeps being goofy. Day 11 standings Makuuchi code:code:
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Nov 23, 2023 10:47
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Somehow the one rikishi I traded, Hokuseiho, will somehow end up not taking a makekoshi after a miserable start and I just absolutely don't know how to feel about that.
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Nov 23, 2023 12:39
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Robviously posted:Somehow the one rikishi I traded, Hokuseiho, will somehow end up not taking a makekoshi after a miserable start and I just absolutely don't know how to feel about that. It takes the brain a long long time to get signals down to those long legs, but once he gets going -- hoo boy!
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Nov 23, 2023 12:52
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Tracker is now updated to Day 12
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Nov 23, 2023 13:37
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Atami-fucken-fuji How hard is it to go from Sekiwake to Ozeki?
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Nov 23, 2023 14:49
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WMH MK  Taffy Torpedo posted:
It obviously depends on the rest of the field of competitors, but averaging 11 wins (or put differently, only 4 losses) for three tournaments in a row when you are definitely going to be facing the strongest competition on the banzuke is no small feat. Both of the Waka bros spent a year or so as sekiwake without promotion. Same for Hoshoryu before he made the leap I think. Kirishima on the other hand managed it about as quick as he could.
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Nov 23, 2023 16:49
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Terunofuji did it twice. He has had exactly four bashos as a sekiwake in his career, and only one at komusubi. His first run went m2>sekiwake>sekiwake>ozeki, and his second went komusubi>sekiwake>sekiwake>ozeki>ozeki>yokozuna. He has never put up a losing score in the lower sanyaku ranks. He is really good at sumo
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Nov 23, 2023 17:07
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Nativity In Black posted:WMH MK https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12210 mitakeumi was a sanyaku mainstay starting in 2017 including winning two yusho and still couldn't break through until his third championship in january 2022. then ofc he alomst immediately fell apart due to some combination of injiuries and covid and lost it in four basho...
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Nov 23, 2023 17:38
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Making Ozeki is drat hard and the requirements filter out a lot of guys who would be considered solid Ozeki but never out together the career best run to earn the title. Like as mentioned Mira's 2017-22 run wouldn't have been out of place as an Ozeki if he could have pulled out the run earlier. Since 2000 there have been 23 guys getting to Ozeki. Not counting Hosho and Kiri who haven't had enough tourneys yet, that's 21 guys who hv have had a chance at Ozeki. Of those, 6 became Yokozuna. Of the 15 remaining guys that peaked at Ozeki, only 4 had another 33/3 run at Ozeki. Baruto did it once as part of a 5 tourney run centered on a 14-1. Tochiazuma did it 1.5 times, once directly after his promotion as a continuation of a super hot year and once where the first tournament was technically as Sekiwake after an injury drop. Kaio did it a bunch of times and Takakeisho has had 2 so far. Takayasu peaked at a couple 32s and Kotoshogiku and Goeido never passed 30 in their Ozeki careers. So getting the Ozeki title requires not just a guy who's consistently really good which is hard enough already, but it requires them to go on what is essentially a fluke career year that they can't approach again.
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Nov 23, 2023 20:30
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my go-to for ‘how hard is it to make Ozeki’ is always the time Wakanosato was S, K, or M1 in literally every basho for nearly 5 years straight, but no 33 in 45 win streak so no promotion for him
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Nov 23, 2023 20:47
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And with that in mind, consider this: From January 2007 to July 2015, Hakuho had 33+ wins in every grouping of three consecutive bashos.
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Nov 23, 2023 21:01
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Day 12: Atamifuji did a GREAT job against Hoshoryu, really glad to see him staying on top. Three days to go and there are so many dudes still in the yusho race, it's very exciting. And best of all, Takayasu got his KK! I'm so relieved for him.
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Nov 23, 2023 21:03
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ATAMIFUJI! My boy beat an Ozeki!
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I'm literally gonna go on https://wheelofnames.com/ put in all qualifying rikishi for the next tournament and record it for this thread as I can't seem to pick rikishi worth poo poo. Might as well put it up to pseudorandom chance in that case. Straight up quote me on this in Jan. so I don't forget.
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