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Mumbling posted:Please educate me because I’m bad at arguing and defending my position: what’s the counter to someone who implies that the Pro-Palestine movement/protests are contributing to the rise of anti-semitism being reported in the media? Israelis and Jews are two entirely separate kinds of people
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Nov 23, 2023 02:25
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Mumbling posted:Please educate me because I’m bad at arguing and defending my position: what’s the counter to someone who implies that the Pro-Palestine movement/protests are contributing to the rise of anti-semitism being reported in the media? you don't gotta bust out a thesis, zionism is bad and doesn't represent jews, so anything opposing zionism is good actually, and unrelated to antisemitism.
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Nov 23, 2023 02:26
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Mumbling posted:Please educate me because I’m bad at arguing and defending my position: what’s the counter to someone who implies that the Pro-Palestine movement/protests are contributing to the rise of anti-semitism being reported in the media? I wouldn't waste any high caliber munitions here, their next question is why do you support the terrorists and how can you get behind beheading babies. Cause they deserve to be free. It's not a grey moral area. You either think it's ok to put people in cages to make the economy hum a little louder, or you don't.
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Nov 23, 2023 02:26
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Mumbling posted:Please educate me because I’m bad at arguing and defending my position: what’s the counter to someone who implies that the Pro-Palestine movement/protests are contributing to the rise of anti-semitism being reported in the media? do not conflate a genocidal apartheid state apparatus with a religion or ethnicity. a state that outwardly hates the ethnic diaspora: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negation_of_the_Diaspora the crimes of israel, the state, a vassal of the united states, constructed and maintained to project western power in a resource-rich locality, are not related to the beleaguered people who died in the holocaust. the intertwining of this is intentional propaganda to obfuscate the material reality of cold realpolitik with one of history's most sensitive subjects. make no mistake: the zionist project has no love for the jewish people; only zionists. its mission is singular.
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Nov 23, 2023 02:29
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Mumbling posted:Please educate me because I’m bad at arguing and defending my position: what’s the counter to someone who implies that the Pro-Palestine movement/protests are contributing to the rise of anti-semitism being reported in the media? "Bullshit." The definition that tends to be offered in situations like that is "From the river to the sea" or suggesting that Palestinians should continue existing, neither of which is actual "antisemitism".
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Thank you all for the advice. My ignorance on this and difficulty arguing is really embarrassing
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does it strike anyone else as weird that hollywood is doing another blacklist right at the same time these contracts are being settled????
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Mumbling posted:Please educate me because I’m bad at arguing and defending my position: what’s the counter to someone who implies that the Pro-Palestine movement/protests are contributing to the rise of anti-semitism being reported in the media? start with conclusion. is there really a rise in antisemitism, or is the media just reporting a rise? are they trying to change the meaning of antisemitism, are they trying to conflate palestinian's rights to live and be free with antisemitism? this isn't a real argument, it's a trap. if the definition of antisemitism gets broader, antisemitism will rise just because more things fall under the heading. this is, again, disingenuous bogus thinking, it's conflating a term. if propalestine marches are considered antisemitic, then yes, tautologically more propalestine stuff is more antisemitism. everything the western media says about any party hostile to its interests will be nothing but lies, this has always been the case. if the person you're talking to has trumpish leanings, remind them that the news is a bunch of dirty lies, why should this be any different?
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Nov 23, 2023 02:32
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Mumbling posted:Please educate me because I’m bad at arguing and defending my position: what’s the counter to someone who implies that the Pro-Palestine movement/protests are contributing to the rise of anti-semitism being reported in the media? Since Palestine people are semites how is being pro-them antisemitic?
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Nov 23, 2023 02:35
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The Voice of Labor posted:start with conclusion. is there really a rise in antisemitism, or is the media just reporting a rise? are they trying to change the meaning of antisemitism, are they trying to conflate palestinian's rights to live and be free with antisemitism? This is a liberal family member. Neither of us are Jewish or Israeli, but they are concerned for our Jewish relatives in the US and the news reporting the rise of anti-semitism.
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Nov 23, 2023 02:36
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Mumbling posted:Thank you all for the advice. My ignorance on this and difficulty arguing is really embarrassing Been there/kinda still am in some ways. Edit: what was your family member’s reaction to Tree of Life? That’s the kind of anti-Semitism that needs fighting, and not to belabor the obvious but no one suggested the way to do so was to bomb hospitals. Jai Guru Dave has issued a correction as of 02:41 on Nov 23, 2023 |
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Nov 23, 2023 02:38
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Virtually 95% of the antisemitism reports from the ADL, if you scrutinize the list, are just people saying "free palestine" or spraying "from the river to the sea" graffiti.
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Nov 23, 2023 02:38
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it will likely not come as a surprise that this guy was Donald trumps top advisor on Israel (unless you count Jared i guess) and one of the guys who thought the Abraham accords would work out just great
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Nov 23, 2023 02:39
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Mumbling posted:This is a liberal family member. Neither of us are Jewish or Israeli, but they are concerned for our Jewish relatives in the US and the news reporting the rise of anti-semitism. in the US it is considered antisemitism by most of the media and the government to call what is happening a genocide https://twitter.com/IfNotNowOrg/status/1727030795511169161 Vandalizing Israeli arms manufacturing plants is called antisemitic by government officials
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Nov 23, 2023 02:42
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people dont like when you commit genocide and people who do like it get defensive and weird so theres lots of hot takes and fake outrage for bullshit reporters to say is anti semitism in the news.
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Nov 23, 2023 02:43
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Mumbling posted:This is a liberal family member. Neither of us are Jewish or Israeli, but they are concerned for our Jewish relatives in the US and the news reporting the rise of anti-semitism. Like five years ago a white supremacist walked into a synagogue in Pittsburgh and killed like 11 people, very explicitly meaning to kill Jewish people. It stayed in the news for like a month and was promptly forgotten. Nobody gave a poo poo. But now there's suddenly some horrible wave of antisemitic violence, coinciding with people being mad about Israel's crimes, but any time you do any research into any of the incidents it's literally always "person got sad someone yelled at them for being a zionist". That's it. That's all that's happening. People aren't mad at Jews, they're mad at Israelis, and Israelis could be Zoroastrian for all it matters because very nearly nobody is mad at them for what their professed religion is, but what they are very clearly doing and are guilty of.
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Nov 23, 2023 02:43
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Mumbling posted:This is a liberal family member. Neither of us are Jewish or Israeli, but they are concerned for our Jewish relatives in the US and the news reporting the rise of anti-semitism. Also worth keeping in mind that many of these recent "antisemitic attacks" have either been misrepresented (A jewish-owned business was vandalized by pro-palestinian activists. Oh wait it turns out that business is actually an arms manufacturer that supplies Israel), made up entirely, or not even antisemitic.
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Joementum posted:it will likely not come as a surprise that this guy was Donald trumps top advisor on Israel (unless you count Jared i guess) and one of the guys who thought the Abraham accords would work out just great So not Trump's top advisor then
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The ADL deliberately tries to conflate anti-zionism with anti-semitism. And they're absolutely happy to condone the latter. The ADL recently came to an agreement with Elon Musk, he can promote and retweet all the nazis and holocaust deniers he likes on twitter without being called an anti-semite, and in return twitter will label all anti-zionist posts as anti-semitic.
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trucutru posted:Since Palestine people are semites how is being pro-them antisemitic? that's not what antisemitism means btw, the germans invented the word to mean "jew-hating" but more fancy
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Mumbling posted:This is a liberal family member. Neither of us are Jewish or Israeli, but they are concerned for our Jewish relatives in the US and the news reporting the rise of anti-semitism. nothing will sink in prior to media literacy. if cnn and r/politics are considered reliable sources of truth, no amount of argumentation will matter because what they're taking as evidence will always be garbage. maybe get them a copy of manufacturing consent
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Andorra posted:Also worth keeping in mind that many of these recent "antisemitic attacks" have either been misrepresented (A jewish-owned business was vandalized by pro-palestinian activists. Oh wait it turns out that business is actually an arms manufacturer that supplies Israel), made up entirely, or not even antisemitic. https://twitter.com/JGreenblattADL/status/1727099169243095322
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Even if it were true, why would a rise in antisemitism be more concerning than the palestinians being genocided right now?
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Lord of Pie posted:They'll eventually scrape every bird turd until it's mined down to an uninhabitable rock like Nauru Nauru is rock phosphate not bird poo poo. /taro posting
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Nov 23, 2023 02:57
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Atrocious Joe posted:in the US it is considered antisemitism by most of the media and the government to call what is happening a genocide Romneyishly - "Corporations are people"
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Mumbling posted:Please educate me because I’m bad at arguing and defending my position: what’s the counter to someone who implies that the Pro-Palestine movement/protests are contributing to the rise of anti-semitism being reported in the media? Man just ask questions. "What is a semite?" "What is anti-semitism?" "Can you give me an example of anti-semitism since october 7th?" Ask questions. If you want to troll, just smile more and more like they are a delightful dancing poodle.
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Mumbling posted:This is a liberal family member. Neither of us are Jewish or Israeli, but they are concerned for our Jewish relatives in the US and the news reporting the rise of anti-semitism. It's always interesting to me how so many Arabs and Muslims have had to deal with this poo poo in the US over the years, and especially post 9/11, and again, now, again, and yet that's not really been reported and no one's interested lol As others have much more eloquently pointed out, pro-zionists are getting called out and being stompy about it, saying it's about them being Jewish or just thinking they're "pro-Jewish", though it's got nothing to do with that, and more about Israel and its horrible policies/practices. MadSparkle has issued a correction as of 03:04 on Nov 23, 2023 |
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Zardoz was a documentary
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Biden yet again says Hamas beheaded babies. Has new evidence emerged? In many conflicts, there are reports of atrocities against babies or children. As horrific as any such atrocities are, accounts can be exaggerated. Almost two months after the Hamas attack, details are still sparse on claims of beheading of babies. One IDF official says he found a decapitated baby; a first responder says “little kids” were beheaded, though an exact number was not provided. Forensic records that would document the cause of death have not been released. There also are reports of at least two beheadings of adults — a soldier and a Thai worker. First responders say they viewed these bodies. There is little dispute that many of the civilians killed by militants on Oct. 7 died in especially brutal ways. But caution is still warranted, especially at the presidential level, about statements that babies were beheaded. The available evidence does not need exaggeration. Washington Post
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Nov 23, 2023 03:07
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Al! posted:the empire demands a ceasefire to hold its holiday where they celebrate its own genocided people lol, drat.
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500 bad dogs posted:that's not what antisemitism means btw, the germans invented the word to mean "jew-hating" but more fancy It's a shame that they chose such a confusing etymology but the Germans have hosed this stuff up for basically forever
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Neurolimal posted:Somalia gets the gang back together Lol they'd have to go thru fuckin Panama *90s style lives of the rich & famous show* How does one join the exclusive Somali Yacht Club? Well, let's say membership grants several benefits such as a free BMW after a brief preliminary expedition
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I usually like to ask what one is allowed to disagree with or criticize Israel on without being called literally worse than Hitler. Something significant, not trivial like the colours of the flag or whatever. Lots of err, uh and shifting from one foot to the other.
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Red Baron posted:Zardoz was a documentary Been saying this for years!
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:Why are Arab/Muslim leaders asking China to intervene when they've got their own genocide of Uyghur Muslims going on? lol
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Red Baron posted:Zardoz was a documentary Many people are saying
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