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Groovelord Neato posted:Destiny was snarky to him in the last back and forth posted and oddly didn't go after him for that
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I AM GRANDO posted:I don’t know that he has strong opinions. He’s just at that stage old scholars get to where they start giving opinions on whatever they’re asked about and feel they can deduce everything from first principles and are too arrogant to back down. He doesn’t understand the internet because he was already old when people started using it. He has the right opinions on trans/gay/black/etc people (likes them and wishes them the best). But he has issues with the movements related to them for reasons that are congruent with his way of thinking and that he explains carefully. He thinks those movements end up dividing people that should be working together in their shared class struggle. That's a very Marxist approach and he describes himself as an old fashioned communist so it tracks. trucutru fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Nov 23, 2023 |
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Nov 23, 2023 02:55
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Yardbomb posted:I was pleasantly surprised a few times looking up the aftermaths of Kitchen Nightmares/Hotel Hell episodes, unsurprisingly a fair few of them just ate poo poo and died immediately anyway after Gordon Ramsey left, some of them went on to keep doing pretty well but then the pandemic got em, but there's still some of them actually running today. On some of those, the episode starts with them hundreds of thousands in debt. Even if they had a perfect turnaround, how the hell is a restaurant coming out from under that?
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Nov 23, 2023 02:57
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trucutru posted:He has the right opinions on trans/gay/black/etc people (likes them and wishes them the best). But he has issues with the movements related to them for reasons that are congruent with his way of thinking and that he explains carefully. He thinks those movements end up dividing people that should be working together in their shared class struggle. ehh.... yes he does probably have basic Marxist egalitarianism at his core but he is objectively reactionary towards trans people [https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/transgender-cult?sd=pf E. Honestly he comes across as muddled and confused, awkwardly fitting his bigotry into what his stated priors, which he never did in other writings. Famethrowa fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Nov 23, 2023 |
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Nov 23, 2023 03:14
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trucutru posted:He has the right opinions on trans/gay/black/etc people (likes them and wishes them the best). But he has issues with the movements related to them for reasons that are congruent with his way of thinking and that he explains carefully. He thinks those movements end up dividing people that should be working together in their shared class struggle. TW:P transphobic phrasing from Finkelstein to disprove that he uses careful wording or is fully intent on uniting movements in his dismissal of transgender concerns. Using the words "genital mutilation" for elective treatment, the words "sexually bizarre" and "kinky" for our existence, and "transgender cult" as a title are sensationalist and not careful explanations, empathetic, or right. Even if he claims to have full empathy for us in the same breath. He can be right about representation being a trap while still needing to be far more careful in how he addresses that issue if his goals match your statement. I believe he is a person skilled with words and that his phrasing belies a lack of care for us. Edit: this Famethrowa posted:ehh.... yes he does probably have basic Marxist egalitarianism at his core but he is objectively reactionary towards trans people
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Nov 23, 2023 03:16
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trucutru posted:He has the right opinions on trans/gay/black/etc people (likes them and wishes them the best). But he has issues with the movements related to them for reasons that are congruent with his way of thinking and that he explains carefully. He thinks those movements end up dividing people that should be working together in their shared class struggle. He gets weird about the people he sees as derailing solidarity. He has accused Ibram Kendi of fraud in soliciting funds for a scholar center, which is both very likely not true and not something he could possibly know without insider knowledge he doesn’t claim to have. He could just call Kendi a lib with weak arguments like everyone else does, but he’s carving out this position where people can’t just be wrong, but have to be decadent perverts and frauds when he doesn’t understand everything about the position he’s critiquing. I think it’s partially a case of a man having outlived the world he understands and partially a case of a man with reflexive paranoia because of a lifetime of being accused of fascism and Jew hatred in very dishonest ways by every liberal on the planet for accurately criticizing Israel.
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Nov 23, 2023 04:15
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trucutru posted:He has the right opinions on trans/gay/black/etc people (likes them and wishes them the best). But he has issues with the movements related to them for reasons that are congruent with his way of thinking and that he explains carefully. He thinks those movements end up dividing people that should be working together in their shared class struggle. Nah he's fuckin dumbdumb on the topic.
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Nov 23, 2023 04:31
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good video on condemned from a new/small creator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8rVR_QxS90
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Nov 23, 2023 04:36
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Pachylad posted:F D Signifier dropping a vid about interracial (specifically black/white) relationships: Ooh video just for me, never heard of this channel, he's funny ty
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Nov 23, 2023 06:25
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Equeen posted:When is Destiny supposed to debate Finkelstein? Some weird poo poo happened where Finkelstein was expecting Destiny to call him, when they hadn't even agreed to a proper date and time, and then got angry he didn't call and cancelled the debate.
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Nov 23, 2023 07:00
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Everyone involved in this story should be thrown down a very deep hole.
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Nov 23, 2023 07:03
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Archer666 posted:Some weird poo poo happened where Finkelstein was expecting Destiny to call him, when they hadn't even agreed to a proper date and time, and then got angry he didn't call and cancelled the debate. owned
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Nov 23, 2023 07:08
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ok i did a bunch of airport transfers, sitting in planes, driving, commuting, etc, so I watched way too much videos and poo poo, a lot of them from this thread, here's what I've seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQjmFJ75DBs Not as good as I thought it would be, other than a few this was exploring computer viruses other people have created as art projects to emulate old viruses rather than, y'know, looking at the old viruses. Kinda eh honestly at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZBn9CxpANA Is this a Magic the Gathering channel? It's mostly about skeletons used in MTG art, I thought it was gonna be about skeleton imagery in general (which it does delve into). Not a bad short watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIZi1SO22wo I like food https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrDA8in8_30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHND7L1wUl0 These should be watched together but reclusive cartoonist Bill Watterson collaborated on an "adult's fable", the moral of which seems to be "drat, we are living in a world without mysteries anymore" but it's from Watterson and I can believe his sincerity. Also their collaboration technique seems really difficult, god https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGW_7HTXuQo Pretty good summation of Neuromancer although I'm more surprised Dune explainer Quinn's Idea didn't know about Neuromancer prior to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GW42rUUf_c p in depth look at Dead of the Brain, what weird games! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mlGDZ1ZDFI Thought this was a wikipedia vandalism thing but it turns out there are tons of unconfirmed sources for a weird named king from Wales https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twHFPMoJNXE ah this is the wikipedia vandalism stuff but it feels like a guy reading a wikipedia article lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzVIs3vkVsE yeah i didn't know about that of the director of Salo, pretty fascinating look into Italian history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl307SfWyzg why do people love queueing so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svsTKrdSd7s lmao i didn't watch shad's original video but holy poo poo the process is so stupid and the results are so bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyl2tzC6aco&t=598s couldn't finish this, this youtuber loving sucks!!!!! (guy with bored bear avatar talking about the dr who toy youtuber who killed his girlfriend) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Xzo12BVNI lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1JoA_G9ado me at minute 10: "wow it starts with a sewer level" me at minute 30: "wait the whole game is in a sewer with too many layers" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7vg-FbYSlc About how bitcoin ultimately is going to gently caress El Savador over. Also holy lol at all the cryptobro comments to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQGsJyiJ4v0 Watched all 5 parts of Stray Souls while working. My favourite parts are the protag shooting people but his face looks around as if in default idle position, the sister whose actress is obviously not given correct recording direction so she sounds way too chipper and cool while horrible poo poo is happening, and best of all, a document found in the police station which spells out the complete lore of the game and obviously extracted from the design document, including all spoilers! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSDGv2DvJXg honestly i was thinking, you go girl for scamming all these creepy men online, until it's revealed she got into scamming purely because she was paying off a guy in a host club she's infatuated with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGhcSupkNs8 what the gently caress. this rules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4A5GPk5jbE was in HK where this event was part of the itinerary and seeing this, yeah i don't think i need a vr squid game experience lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyGhI_JVOZI first https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq8d5jvjarA "this door having a number is why gta will come out this year" [it doesn't release] "nevertheless" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpnV05IKbU Never heard of this game, kinda ahead and also behind its time. What an achievement! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbZ3HzvFEto bring this valve back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDrHpmkL4rY who's lila is the most loving crazy horror game in recent years in terms of concept alone and Jacob Geller is good enough to touch only part of it including the use of a separate application that leads you to different lore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lliq6xJq1oc&t=7s i don't know any of these songs lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jLNNMFur5A gently caress yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waEShXUjejs Almost every single person featured in this video is the most infuriating person alive
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Nov 23, 2023 07:42
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The Saddest Rhino posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZBn9CxpANA his most famous video is of course the one about the Black Lotus, the Honus Wagner of magic cards and probably one of the most counterfeited cards, magic or not, period. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAvLC3fz068&hd=1 one of his other videos that is my favorite, his discussion of the Best Worst Card In Magic: One With Nothing, a card that people have been trying to make work for decades but it's just a bad card and there's no secret power underneath its simple text. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_ndD-QmPJg&hd=1 a recent lengthy video about Phyrexia, the absolute nightmare hellscape plane of oil, machines, and blood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRl0Z-HYe2g&hd=1&t=45s a history of one of the most infamous magic cards, a development fuckup leading to one of the most powerful creatures in all of "old magic", The Tarmogoyf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6sPPhlQqtk&hd=1&t=39s a look at The Blind Eternities, the space between the planes of the Magic multiverse, and the eldritch horrors that live within them...and sometimes breach into reality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ho5cUBoWAc&hd=1&t=76s A video about the lies of Streets of New Capenna, how it uses the lies and stereotypes of the mafia in popular culture in an early 1900s art deco mobster-styled set with rhino-men in snazzy suits, lightning bolt-shooting tommy guns, and a card literally called An Offer You Can't Refuse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdB0ZSZjk-k&hd=1&t=86s The history of Red Deck Wins, a purely unga bunga build which uses cheap, fast creatures and spells to bring your opponent's health to zero by turn 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5oc_9ObMzc&hd=1&t=71s A video about Siege Rhino, a card that absolutely dominated the era it was part of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keXoU1p54tA&hd=1&t=7s
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Nov 23, 2023 08:14
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There is a skeleton inside you!The Saddest Rhino posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7vg-FbYSlc Wild to see German state media in your list, tbh.
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Nov 23, 2023 09:15
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of course the FIAT GOVERNED STATE is going to tell you bitcoin is bad!!!!
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Nov 23, 2023 09:22
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The Saddest Rhino posted:ok i did a bunch of airport transfers, sitting in planes, driving, commuting, etc, so I watched way too much videos and poo poo, a lot of them from this thread, here's what I've seen: New nost crit dropped
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Nov 23, 2023 09:59
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The Spirit Tea dev drama is kind of messed up: https://twitter.com/RaveofRavendale/status/1726624945957196048 https://twitter.com/RaveofRavendale/status/1726626530108047522 https://twitter.com/RaveofRavendale/status/1726626674194981183 https://twitter.com/RaveofRavendale/status/1726626824917303650 Basically a dev had a pretty good sales run, and mentioned how he achieved that and mentioned he rejected offers from youtubers willing to cover his game for money. He was shouted down, perceived by imbeciles claiming that he's actually devaluing the work of game reviewers and youtubers and is now apologizing for it: https://twitter.com/RaveofRavendale/status/1727428773556207816 Edit: I am on the side of the dev here, and the original iteration of the post made me sound like o was against him. Edit #2: Well, this is unfortunate. https://twitter.com/GTGVicki/status/1727310074044199195?t=bkvyORbdyePbiY-exXWQiA&s=19 Kunster fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Nov 23, 2023 |
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Nov 23, 2023 10:04
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Kunster posted:Edit #2: Well, this is unfortunate. Already gone?
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Nov 23, 2023 13:57
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It was a tweet pointing out that there was indeed coverage of his game on yt, and just didn't count the smaller people there.
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Nov 23, 2023 14:00
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Kunster posted:It was a tweet pointing out that there was indeed coverage of his game on yt, and just didn't count the smaller people there. so the takeaway is that he's just mad that the shills who have time and teams to minmax the algo didn't cover him
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Nov 23, 2023 14:05
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Grassy Knowles posted:so the takeaway is that he's just mad that the shills who have time and teams to minmax the algo didn't cover him Sounds more to me that they want payola to do so. And IMO he’s right to think that sucks. It’s banned in other forms of media for very good reasons.
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Nov 23, 2023 14:41
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tracecomplete posted:Sounds more to me that they want payola to do so. And IMO he’s right to think that sucks. It’s banned in other forms of media for very good reasons. I agree that it sucks that folks seek payola, but this is neither new nor unique to him. kane and lynch is a classic example of mainstream videogames coverage being like this. If there is fairly significant smaller creator coverage of his game, this makes the discussion sound more dismissive of the support he has received than poignant criticism of a new industry development. I would still hope no one’s takeaway, including (and despite?) his, is that payola should happen
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Nov 23, 2023 14:58
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tracecomplete posted:It’s banned in other forms of media for very good reasons. For example a movie isn't going to give major screentime to your car unless you pay, that's basic product placement, likewise sports people generally don't show your brand on their clothes unless you pay them. If you want lot's of promotional coverage, you pay for it, which is a different thing from a review, which most youtubers don't actually do, because they are functionally just influencers rather than reviewers. It's also pretty much how the twitch bounty thing works. Whether or not it sucks is a different question , but it's common and legal in a lot of different media.
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Nov 23, 2023 15:21
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Grassy Knowles posted:I agree that it sucks that folks seek payola, but this is neither new nor unique to him. kane and lynch is a classic example of mainstream videogames coverage being like this. If there is fairly significant smaller creator coverage of his game, this makes the discussion sound more dismissive of the support he has received than poignant criticism of a new industry development. that seems to be everyone's takeaway, people were getting mad at him for not wanting to pay their favorite gibbering facecam lets-players
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Nov 23, 2023 15:33
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So he's mad that people didn't do advertising for him for free?
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Nov 23, 2023 15:46
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Oxxidation posted:that seems to be everyone's takeaway, people were getting mad at him for not wanting to pay their favorite gibbering facecam lets-players People were mad because plenty of them were excited for his game and showed it off, then he practically dumped on all the smaller creators who did so, because he wanted markiplier or some poo poo and didn't get it. 
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Nov 23, 2023 16:10
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Yeah the deleted tweet addressed that, it sucks in both ways.
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Nov 23, 2023 16:20
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yeah, bigger names might have organically found his game and reviewed it of their own volition given time. i don't think it's unreasonable for someone to want some kind of compensation when a person's asking you to rearrange your schedule and put a bunch of time and effort into a review of something that is essentially advertising for them. like it's different when a reviewer chooses to review a game VS being approached directly by the creator to do a video and people do the latter as paid video sponsorships all the time.
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Nov 23, 2023 16:25
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Mike's tweet could have been worded better but I think his intention was more to highlight that there'd be a lot more there if he'd paid for reviews and the like, and it sucks that this seems to basically be the norm now. Like, the picture he put up was more "these are the results" rather than "this is nothing". The real poo poo comes in the replies and QRT's really. All manner of influencers basically having a go and essentially saying that well, obviously you should expect to directly pay for positive reviews. That's the bit that's...well, somewhat depressing when it comes to the complete lack of any standards in it, the naked promotion of what's essentially payola. Just not seeing that, in the eyes of someone watching, being paid to review something positively perhaps doesn't make you the best of sources. It's this part of the whole thing that's left a pretty nasty taste in the mouth, tbh.
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Nov 23, 2023 16:32
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tracecomplete posted:Sounds more to me that they want payola to do so. And IMO he’s right to think that sucks. It’s banned in other forms of media for very good reasons. Yardbomb posted:People were mad because plenty of them were excited for his game and showed it off, then he practically dumped on all the smaller creators who did so, because he wanted markiplier or some poo poo and didn't get it. Kim Justice posted:Mike's tweet could have been worded better but I think his intention was more to highlight that there'd be a lot more there if he'd paid for reviews and the like, and it sucks that this seems to basically be the norm now. Like, the picture he put up was more "these are the results" rather than "this is nothing".
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Nov 23, 2023 16:40
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Yardbomb posted:People were mad because plenty of them were excited for his game and showed it off, then he practically dumped on all the smaller creators who did so, because he wanted markiplier or some poo poo and didn't get it. Yeah, like Many A True Nerd wanted to cover it but as Jon of MATN says November is a busy month so he felt that was very unfair of the dev. (Jon did not ask for money, just that, well, it's a busy month.)
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Nov 23, 2023 16:43
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I'm still seeing a lot of "how dare people want to be paid for work" as a response which is honestly insane given just how much games reviewers do patreons and kofis for general feedback rather than "give positive or negative coverage towards x title", which was the main thing that got me to post it here. I thought people were opposed to devs paying game critics to review games favourably.
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Nov 23, 2023 16:44
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Kunster posted:I'm still seeing a lot of "how dare people want to be paid for work" as a response which is honestly insane given just how much games reviewers do patreons and kofis for general feedback rather than "give positive or negative coverage towards x title", which was the main thing that got me to post it here. I thought people were opposed to devs paying game critics to review games favourably. Yeah I’m with you Captain Invictus posted:is it payola? ‘I don’t want you to review my song just keep putting it on the air’ is literally how the term payola came to be.
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Nov 23, 2023 16:50
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Are people actually reviewers or are they, like, influencers? Cause there's a reason that term's come about, and its not because of their strong ethics and critical voice. They exist as marketing, they are advertising and everyone who travels in those spaces knows it. Getting youtubers and twitch guys to play your game is part of marketing budgets now because its marketing, so the channels asking for money is much less a nefarious scheme and much more people knowing what their job is. Does marketing suck? Is it awful to see enthusiasm weaponized and commodified? Is it garbage to have to figure in paying a guy to scream at the screen for your advertising? Does this whole thing need to be burned to the ground? Yes the answer to that is all yes. But the reason people are blasé about it and open about wanting money is cause the rules of the game are pretty public.
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Nov 23, 2023 16:54
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Kunster posted:I'm still seeing a lot of "how dare people want to be paid for work" as a response which is honestly insane given just how much games reviewers do patreons and kofis for general feedback rather than "give positive or negative coverage towards x title", which was the main thing that got me to post it here. I thought people were opposed to devs paying game critics to review games favourably. Thing is, none of the tweets posted in this thread actually mention reviews or reviewers, it's all Youtubers, Content Creators or Influencers, Which yeah if that's the support that you want then it's probably going to cost you for guaranteed coverage, and however much we hate ads, it's work and they should be paid if that's what you want out of them, if you can't have some other mutualist relationship.
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Nov 23, 2023 16:56
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Kunster posted:I'm still seeing a lot of "how dare people want to be paid for work" as a response which is honestly insane given just how much games reviewers do patreons and kofis for general feedback rather than "give positive or negative coverage towards x title", which was the main thing that got me to post it here. I thought people were opposed to devs paying game critics to review games favourably.
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Nov 23, 2023 16:59
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also there's a big difference between playing a 3 minute song and streaming a game for multiple hours, not only is the time commitment different, but one is set it and forget it and the other requires your constant concentration and interaction.
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Nov 23, 2023 17:01
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If you don't want to pay for advertising, and just want people to share their honest experiences with your game, you can't expect those videos to come out in time to impact your first week sales.
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Terrible Opinions posted:If you don't want to pay for advertising, and just want people to share their honest experiences with your game, you can't expect those videos to come out in time to impact your first week sales. This is very true Captain Invictus posted:also there's a big difference between playing a 3 minute song and streaming a game for multiple hours, not only is the time commitment different, but one is set it and forget it and the other requires your constant concentration and interaction. I don’t respect what those people do and I do not think they deserve to be paid for it. They are clogging up the series of tubes to do something they don’t enjoy to make something their viewers will at best tolerate watching. it being a thing that happens today doesn’t even stop those coming up with forms of defense for it from acknowledging it sucks all around.
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Nov 23, 2023 17:12
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