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victorious posted:They technically should be able to incorporate road tolling into the same system as they could geo-fence certain areas for extra tolling. Although there'll no doubt be workarounds for it in similar ways to how people disconnect their odometers to dodge paying RUCs now. It's pretty much impossible to do this anymore unless you have a really old car, the odo/speed comes from an aggregate of the ABS wheel speed sensors nowadays, you'd have to disconnect your entire instrument cluster and that would cause a host of other issues
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LOL so now the govt is straight up gonna have a database of all our movements great well done
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Good thing nobody is carrying around a GPS unit with all their details everywhere they go 24/7, that would be pretty Orwellian
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Slavvy posted:It's pretty much impossible to do this anymore unless you have a really old car, the odo/speed comes from an aggregate of the ABS wheel speed sensors nowadays, you'd have to disconnect your entire instrument cluster and that would cause a host of other issues Oh yeah you're probably right. I just remember working with guys who did this back in the day. One of them had a toggle switch he could flick on and off because disconnecting the odo also stopped his speedo working. The other installed a HUD speedo in parallel so it didn't matter that his original one didn't work anymore.
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Yeah I was one of those people lol I just used a GPS as a speedo and left the speed sensor unplugged You'd struggle to find a car newer than the mid 00's that still lets you do that
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Huh, four year terms.
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RUC on EVs was going to be a thing anyway and the end of Clean Car rebate
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Universal RUCs make sense, but the problem is you need some way of incentivising more efficient vehicles which it doesn't sound like we're going to get.
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i am a libertarian and i believe more efficient vehicles will naturally be prioritised by the perfectly rational actors within the free market without government incentives on an unrelated note, i also believe that we shouldn't review the current government incentives to polluting primary industries because they don't affect the market.
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i love the nz first requirement that legislation be introduced to stop COWARD PUNCHES it's like going to the forums to demand a rogue nerf
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sebmojo posted:i love the nz first requirement that legislation be introduced to stop COWARD PUNCHES it's like going to the forums to demand a rogue nerf They should make breaking the law illegal while they're at it.
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Please legislate people to stop kicking me in the balls
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dissss posted:Universal RUCs make sense, but the problem is you need some way of incentivising more efficient vehicles which it doesn't sound like we're going to get. Their manifesto explained it and it's literally making all cars pay the same, a tax on small efficient vehicles to subsidise Ranger drivers.
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portfolio-wise, the worst things seem to be: brooke van velden getting to gut employment and health and safety laws melissa lee getting mbie seymour getting to gut pharmac environment and climate change sitting with nobodies outside cabinet Varkk posted:Winston to be deputy for 18months and push through some red meat for his base. Then do a rug pull when it is Seymour’s turn? that's not what a dpm does
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redleader posted:government gps, with occasional letters saying things like "why did you drive to mcdonalds at 3am on a tuesday" "I'm worried about you, this is not your normal driving behaviour. Why are you driving to a remote rural road at 4am? Why are you turning off the road? Why is the car in the river that is not a road"
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exmarx posted:portfolio-wise, the worst things seem to be: I'm surprised they even put someone on the climate change and environment portfolios
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My phones GPS location a: doesn't go into a govt database b: need to be turned on all the time
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klen dool posted:LOL so now the govt is straight up gonna have a database of all our movements great well done
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How else will they manage domestic sewer demand
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klen dool posted:How else will they manage domestic sewer demand They would just shut down your forums account
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klen dool posted:How else will they manage domestic sewer demand
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Lmao Also no they aren't gonna track everyone's movements for road charges
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We don't have time to see where you dorks are driving.
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exmarx posted:portfolio-wise, the worst things seem to be: Lil Simeon getting transport and local government
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Slavvy posted:They would just shut down your forums account HEY
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sebmojo posted:Lmao Then wtf is an electronic road user charges then
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They haven't announced how they plan to do it but it'll probably be an odometer reading as part of WOF and/or rego, with the option for people to use one of the electronic things that are currently approved for RUC vehicles so people can pay as they go rather than getting a big bill with your rego every year.
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klen dool posted:Then wtf is an electronic road user charges then Presumably similar to the current system except you won't get the little card for your windscreen.
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sebmojo posted:Lmao Yeah such a system could be doable but would absolutely raise a whole lot of legitimate privacy issues and also cooker conspiracies. They probably won't try it. On the other hand there's a hell of a lot of money in privatising and selling that data, as evidenced by companies like Tomtom.
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Well we've seen people in this thread saying there exists an electronic RUC system in trucks that uses GPS to determine the charges and also people saying that there no way they'll do it so like who the gently caress knows what "electronic road user charges" means I guess we'll just have to wait till.next March or whatever month
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the truck gps works because there's not that many trucks and they have paper trails that can be used to audit instances when, for example, the gps unit isn't in the truck during a delivery. it would be completely bonkers to try and enforce a gps unit in every single private car for the express purposes of charging an individual for travel - they'd just loving leave it at home most of the time.
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klen dool posted:Well we've seen people in this thread saying there exists an electronic RUC system in trucks that uses GPS to determine the charges and also people saying that there no way they'll do it so like who the gently caress knows what "electronic road user charges" means I guess we'll just have to wait till.next March or whatever month it's technically feasible but almost infinitely not worth the amount of poo poo it would entail at both a national and international level.
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sebmojo posted:it's technically feasible but almost infinitely not worth the amount of poo poo it would entail at both a national and international level. Frankly would be easier to just implant some kind of tracking chip in the entire population, maybe via some sort of vaccination?
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Luxons gonna get gates in the blower to ask about him about doing the same thing for RUC as he did for the covid vaccines
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don't care till they start construction on the jordan peterson man milking facilities
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The feeling of malaise is overwhelming. It's all just so depressing. I don't understand how people vote for these cunts that are just going to make things worse.
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