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Ok Comboomer posted:Lord Bude, what do you even use your Mac Studio for? Halsin's hairy bear rear end has never looked so good
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Ok Comboomer posted:Lord Bude, what do you even use your Mac Studio for? I mean it didn’t cost that much, excluding the display it was like 3800 AUD. But yes. I work front end in a grocery store, I don’t do like work stuff on it or anything. My old computer was dying, I’d been wanting to ditch windows for ages, but I wasn’t willing to do it until I could get at least acceptable gaming performance out of a Mac (which the M1 Max solved) and my computer died right as GPU prices were going through the roof (fun fact, had I built a new PC instead, a 2080 alone would have cost me $3k). honestly, of the 5 computers I’ve had since the beginning of 2008 I’m pretty sure this was the cheapest of them. Even if you add the apple studio display it’s not the most expensive. American McGay posted:lmfao brother come on... what? the poster I quoted cited TF2 as a specific example of a game he would want to play on a lightweight laptop, but thought he couldn’t and I was pointing out he actually could.
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Nov 24, 2023 18:01
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The Lord Bude posted:I mean it didn’t cost that much, excluding the display it was like 3800 AUD. But yes. I work front end in a grocery store, I don’t do like work stuff on it or anything. why would you exclude the $1600USD (unless you got the fancier base, and then it's $2K) display? That seems a bit cagey to me when you consider how many posts you've made
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Nov 24, 2023 18:20
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Twerk from Home posted:The patchwork of different ways to run games puts Mac OS in a worse than Linux position for gaming, which is pretty comical. In general I agree with this, but you're also ignoring that Apple has quietly allowed Codeweavers to essentially integrate the D3DMetal conversion from the GPTK into Crossover, and apparently worked with them some on optimizing it, and so Crossover could very well become the de-facto standard long-term for Proton-type Mac gaming, at least until Apple may or may not get their poo poo together someday for gaming (my guess is they'll just continue to make hardware improvements and occasionally software options while pushing Codeweavers or others to do the actual work).
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Nov 24, 2023 18:22
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Ok Comboomer posted:why would you exclude the $1600USD (unless you got the fancier base, and then it's $2K) display? That seems a bit cagey to me when you consider how many posts you've made I think of the cost of buying a monitor as a seperate expense to buying a computer because you don’t replace your monitor every time you replace your computer. Had I wanted to, I could have continued using the monitor I had before for example. It’s a separate thing on a separate replacement cycle. I also didn’t factor in the cost of buying the Magic Keyboard or Magic Trackpad or AirPods Max for the same reason. Or the speakers that I already owned and am still using.
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Nov 24, 2023 18:45
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MarcusSA posted:I’m paying extra because the Mac has the best drat trackpad you can get Absolutely worth the CAD $150 I paid for mine.
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Nov 24, 2023 18:49
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Ok Comboomer posted:why would you exclude the $1600USD (unless you got the fancier base, and then it's $2K) display? That seems a bit cagey to me when you consider how many posts you've made Dude, I’m sad to see you’re still this mad about Apple’s Prosumer Display for Rubes. They make some good products, and they also make overpriced things that are good enough for a lot of people in their ecosystem as well as people who want to show they’re with it by spending money. It works for some people; it really doesn’t hold my interest at all; it provokes wrath within you. It’s all fine. I just don’t know why you’re haunting the chapel, moaning about Apple’s products being bad value when a lot of us are talking about Macs specifically, and not about That loving Monitor Again.
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Nov 24, 2023 18:53
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macs are bad actually
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Nov 24, 2023 18:55
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is he still mad about one of the only 5k displays you can buy
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Nov 24, 2023 19:02
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Deal chat 
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MarcusSA posted:Deal chat Yes, if legitimate, that is boner
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MarcusSA posted:What’s your angle here? I'm not really sure what this question is supposed to mean, but I'll do my best. I read this thread because I think Apple hardware is interesting and innovative. I'm curious to see how it develops and how people like to use it. I think it's good for there to be consumer alternatives to x86, and to Windows. However, for various reasons I am not a Mac user. I'm cheap, I like to be able to alter my machines, I don't like when the OS stops supporting my hardware for arbitrary reasons (Windows 11 is bad at this too, but can be worked around), I want to be able to play Windows games, and honestly I mostly used PCs as a kid and in school so inertia has played a large role. I can see how other people would have different priorities though that would lead them to a different decision, and good for them. Again, it's good to have alternatives out there. So, again, if you prefer Macs I'm not going to say you're wrong, or you're wasting your money, or anything like that. But often, when I read this thread, I see posters insinuating or saying directly that PCs categorically have worse performance, or they are badly made, or that using Windows is an impossible drag (and maybe it is - for you, not everyone). I disagree, so here we are. Corb3t posted:Maybe he works for Microsoft? I don't and never have - I work for a networking OEM. Most of my coworkers use Macs. If that's how they get their work done best, good for them. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Nov 24, 2023 |
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TwoDice posted:is he still mad about one of the only 5k displays you can buy Ironically everyone had hoped that Samsung's ViewFinity S9 would prove a cheaper, nearly-capable alternative to the Studio Display, and then it released at the same price, with bugs, but albeit a few more features (height adjustment, matte coating, etc.), but is still a step down in terms of build quality. It's been going on sale now though, and with the sales, it's a decent alternative to the Studio Display at 5K, with the bonus that it has multiple inputs so you can have more than just one system connected to it.
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Hasturtium posted:Dude, I’m sad to see you’re still this mad about Apple’s Prosumer Display for Rubes. They make some good products, and they also make overpriced things that are good enough for a lot of people in their ecosystem as well as people who want to show they’re with it by spending money. It works for some people; it really doesn’t hold my interest at all; it provokes wrath within you. It’s all fine. I just don’t know why you’re haunting the chapel, moaning about Apple’s products being bad value when a lot of us are talking about Macs specifically, and not about That loving Monitor Again. I’m not mad about the display at all I’m just  at Bude’s $4000 posting-and-only-posting rig and I didn’t want to give him the out of saying that the display isn’t essential to the experience, since he clearly thinks it islike I appreciate pretty, nicely constructed things as much as the next guy here and, like, spend your money however you want but Jesus. At least a dumbshit gaming rig can, you know, game. Say what you will on the value proposition of a five figure Intel Mac Pro, at least those are presumably generating value for the buyer and/or at least being written off trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Nov 24, 2023 |
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Eletriarnation posted:Maybe my misinterpretation, then? This is the post I was responding to:
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hatty posted:
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Hasturtium posted:Yes, if legitimate, that is boner I posted it yesterday in this thread 
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gloom posted:It was an attempt at a self deprecating joke, I’m extremely pleased with the specs and capabilities that I got for a bit under $1500 all in after trading in my old MBP. Could I have spent less on a Thinkpad? Could it play more games? Yeah sure. But I like updated versions of what I’m used to and bigger number for less money just doesn’t weigh that much for me. Stuff like the nice trackpad and keyboard (now, the butterfly era was bad for sure), battery life, and simple software that enables me to do my job without tinkering are pleasant and worth paying for. The only reason for the extra RAM was for BGIII anyway, I know 8 gb would have been plenty otherwise because it was enough on my previous MBP. Excellent, all of that is completely valid! You're buying what you want! But when you say "The Apple premium is just what it costs to have a computer that doesn’t make you hate yourself." that comes off as hyperbolic and defensive because among other things, Apple is about a quarter of the personal computer market and I do not believe that other 75% is all buying machines that make them hate themselves. It seems more likely that they just have different priorities. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Nov 24, 2023 |
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Nov 24, 2023 22:57
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MarcusSA posted:Deal chat Good luck ever actually receiving it. BH is horrible for listing products like this and then you never actually get it and you have to cancel your order months later or they do it for you.
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xgalaxy posted:Good luck ever actually receiving it. I bought one yesterday and it's already shipped.
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Lol
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Macichne Leainig posted:Halsin's hairy bear rear end has never looked so good
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All I know is, on a 2020 rMBP with 16 GB RAM and Ice Lake CPU, just visiting YouTube for 10 minutes makes the fans spin up so fast it's like its ready for takeoff. On a God forsaken 13-inch M1 MBP with 16 GB of RAM, I can have multiple tabs of YouTube open, Word, Powerpoint, Acrobat, and PhotoShop open and not hear the fan or feel the heat in my lap.
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I don't know that I've heard the fan ever turn on on my 14" M3 MBP
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Well thanks again for the advice and info. Wife wanted to take advantage of some black friday pricing, so had to decide between a 14" M3pro with a 1TB drive vs a 16" M3pro with 512GB. Decided to go with the 16" since we have plenty of external drives if more space is ever needed, and Hell - she's just in the last 2-3 years had to move things off her 2014 era MBP with 256GB anyway. Easy to find more hard drive space - impossible to switch screens.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FkstFAJ-9s 24 hr CrossOver cyber monday sale Crossover+: 1 year patch support (lifetime license to any version dropped in the next 12 months): 70% off ($22) Crossover Lifetime: what it says on the tin, perpetual upgrades and support: 23% off ($380) codes are in the video description
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Ok Comboomer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FkstFAJ-9s Fantastic deal especially with the GPTK support they have.
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Couple of questions about Macbook Pros -- I'm a 3D artist / Unity dev. I have a pretty powerful desktop to handle the heaviest stuff so I'm not worried about being able to render nosehairs and such on the go, but I do need it to be able to navigate projects smoothly and obviously would like it to be capable of doing more. Right now I have a 2019 16" Macbook Pro; I went for the best processor and GPU available at the time and they definitely fall short of what I need if I want to use it for regular work, but from what I hear the M series is a lot more capable? Two big questions: - How does the portability compare between the 14" and 16" models? Some days I'm on my feet for hours at a time so this might actually be my biggest concern, even more than performance (since I do most of my work on the desktop anyway). I definitely find the 16" I have to be enough of an encumbrance that I leave it behind unless I know I'll need it, but I'd much rather have a decent laptop available to me wherever I am. - What's prompting this purchase is the Vision Pro headset coming out next year -- apparently it needs an Apple Silicone chip to make apps for. Kind of has me wondering if it isn't worth just going for a used M2, or even like, bottom of the barrel M1 regular Macbook or something just to fullfil that requirement, since the headset by itself is obviously a pretty major expense. But I've heard much better things about 3D work in the newer models (also the black looks cool so) and if I'm already dropping $1000 on a laptop I'm unhappy with I'd sort of rather spend $3000 on one I might actually really like. But if the M2s especially are nearly everything I'd need, I wouldn't pass up saving some money. Any advice would be appreciated! Especially if anyone happens to have a similar usecase, or knows good benchmarks or something. Right now I've been looking at the 14" M3 Max with the processor at the baseline, but they don't have any of the new models available for demos near me so that's more of a guess for what I might need than me actually knowing. Koramei fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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Koramei posted:Couple of questions about Macbook Pros -- i like the big computers so i wont comment on portability but i will say that its likely that the low-end macbook air will be faster than your current macbook. this isn't to say you shouldn't go for the speedier options, just a setting of expectations
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Ok Comboomer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FkstFAJ-9s Oh that’s pretty cool. Is there much benefit with messing with this vs a Parallels VM?
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Warbird posted:Oh that’s pretty cool. Is there much benefit with messing with this vs a Parallels VM? Yeah it's much easier IMO to get games running esp DX12 ones. It's a steal at 22 if you want to play windows games.
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mediaphage posted:i like the big computers so i wont comment on portability but i will say that its likely that the low-end macbook air will be faster than your current macbook. this isn't to say you shouldn't go for the speedier options, just a setting of expectations Huh wow okay, that definitely sets my expectations differently. How much faster are we talkin', here? Maybe I should think with more futureproofing in mind here but if they're that good, the performance hit for extra portability is a tradeoff I'm kind of down for. I honestly wasn't even considering a non pro option but like I said my desktop is for the heavy stuff, 90% of what my laptop is for is notes etc. Big concern for me is thermals, I guess -- Airs are entirely passive cooling right? Especially if it's a bit slower a Unity build could take it a long time (like hours at times), is that something it'll be able to pull through or is a sustained load likely to be a problem?
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MarcusSA posted:Yeah it's much easier IMO to get games running esp DX12 ones. Were you able to get D4 going on it? I've been having a hell of a time getting it to install and run consistently.
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Canned Sunshine posted:Were you able to get D4 going on it? I've been having a hell of a time getting it to install and run consistently. I haven't but the dude in the video seemed to be able to do it. I might try it tomorrow if I get time though.
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Koramei posted:Huh wow okay, that definitely sets my expectations differently. How much faster are we talkin', here? Maybe I should think with more futureproofing in mind here but if they're that good, the performance hit for extra portability is a tradeoff I'm kind of down for. I honestly wasn't even considering a non pro option but like I said my desktop is for the heavy stuff, 90% of what my laptop is for is notes etc. The 14” MacBook Pro (with an Mx Pro/Max chip) is God’s own perfect computer. You are giving up almost no performance (there’s some boost that the Max can do in the 16” when plugged in) for the perfect portable form factor. After years of work buying me 16” laptops that always felt just a bit heavy in my backpack I am in love with my 14”. I have an M1 Pro w 32 GB of RAM and I have run unity while running multiple Docker containers and I have never heard the fan on this thing. An Air could probably do it but yes might slow down a bit. Riven fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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Apple have their Christmas returns policy so you could buy one now and have 4-6 weeks trying it out to see how it meets your needs.
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Koramei posted:Huh wow okay, that definitely sets my expectations differently. How much faster are we talkin', here? Maybe I should think with more futureproofing in mind here but if they're that good, the performance hit for extra portability is a tradeoff I'm kind of down for. I honestly wasn't even considering a non pro option but like I said my desktop is for the heavy stuff, 90% of what my laptop is for is notes etc. Get a 14”, either with an M3 Pro or M3 Max (if you can get a deal on an M2 Pro/Max, or even M1 Pro/Max, and you want to save money, you can go with one of those). You could make do with a base chipset machine like an Air or the new M3 14” Pro (the one that replaces the old touchbar 13” in the lineup) but I think you’ll find the limitations too great WRT connectivity and external displays, etc.
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honestly i think the m3 non pro pro is even less worthwhile than the touch bar intel 13-inch machine Koramei posted:Huh wow okay, that definitely sets my expectations differently. How much faster are we talkin', here? Maybe I should think with more futureproofing in mind here but if they're that good, the performance hit for extra portability is a tradeoff I'm kind of down for. I honestly wasn't even considering a non pro option but like I said my desktop is for the heavy stuff, 90% of what my laptop is for is notes etc. given your desires to be honest i think it would be worthwhile considering an air and putting it through its paces then returning it with their liberal two-week return policy and buying a macbook pro if it doesn’t work out. if you have the credit for it buy one of each and keep the best one for your situation. it’s true that airs are passively cooled and that you will eventually hit throttling but unlike an intel machine it takes like ten minutes of sustained load and then the performance hit is actually not very large. the biggest downside most nerds here have with the m* non pro/max chips is that you’re limited to a single external display with them versus multiple with the pro/max chips. personally i wish the airs had an sd slot but meh the screens are nicer on the pro machines but i think for most people it’s not so great a distinction that they care too much
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Canned Sunshine posted:Were you able to get D4 going on it? I've been having a hell of a time getting it to install and run consistently. I just bought & installed Crossover on my new Macbook Pro M3 and it just worked. There is a list of suggested games when you fire up Crossover, I just picked D4 from the list and it did everything by itself, no configuration necessary. Performance is...fine. You have to turn down the settings but it's still absolutely acceptable on the 14 inch screen.
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Canned Sunshine posted:Were you able to get D4 going on it? I've been having a hell of a time getting it to install and run consistently. D4 is one of the games that it shows by default as being a popular app so they apparently have a preconfigured solution that should just work.
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