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ulvir posted:in the case of Don Draper, Freddy Rumsen and Duck Philips its very clearly not functional though. I kind of like that the show doesn’t shy away from showing how this culture isn’t without problems. I believe Sterling also makes a comment about his dad struggling with alcoholism as well in a conversation with Don But for the Freddy situation, I think they mention that "they already think we're like this" - even during the era, advertising had a reputation for drinking more than others.
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I love this show and part of that love is due to it never really jumping the shark. I remember my sister was convinced that Meg would end up with the Manson family (or killed by them) because she was wearing a Sharon Tate shirt once.
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That was definitely in the air at the time, and I think the costuming was deliberately evoking Manson imagery. Not to imply that everybody was going to get killed by a hippie, probably, but more to further the general sense of dread permeating 1968.
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Go find the TVIV thread for it, there were several people there who were also predicting it.
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Sash! posted:There was a lot more professional drinking between the end of WWII and the early 70s, which was gone by the late 70s. It held out much longer here in Germany. Some factories still had beer vending machines up until the early nineties. Ffs my university cafeteria still sold beer at lunch time in 2015 lol From all the stories I hear about those "good old times" everyone was a lot more chill about functioning alcoholism and you only got into trouble if you started flirting with the non-functioning kind or broke/killed/maimed something or someone.
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GABA ghoul posted:everyone was a lot more chill about functioning alcoholism and you only got into trouble if you started flirting with the non-functioning kind funny how one tends to lead to the other
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GABA ghoul posted:It held out much longer here in Germany. Some factories still had beer vending machines up until the early nineties. Ffs my university cafeteria still sold beer at lunch time in 2015 lol you could buy beer from vending machines in Germany in 2016 when i was there, it was kind of neat if you were in a mood to drink a fine german lager 
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Sash! posted:There was a lot more professional drinking between the end of WWII and the early 70s, which was gone by the late 70s. Going out for a lunchtime pint on a Friday was a fairly standard thing as recently as the late 90s in the UK, at my first job. It was tacitly understood not much work got done in the afternoon. The US is if anything a bit of an outlier in how much it frowns upon it, though it's becoming much less common here too. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Nov 20, 2023 |
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Throughout my watch of the series, it never stopped being wild to me how they all had liquor cabinets in their offices and would punctuate every character walking in by pouring two glasses of liquor
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france still has a two hour long lunch where they also drink wine
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French schoolchildren got wine for lunch until 1956 I believe it was.
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When the aristocracy takes all your money and wine is safer than water, poo poo gets normalized and becomes cultural pretty quick, I bet.
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Just wrapping up season 6 now and Jesus loving CHRIST, I found myself rolling my eyes for most of Don's poo poo for the first 5 seasons, but this season is a whole other level. This loving guy. I feel like there's a special place in hell waiting for him for all the bullshit he says and pulls in the back half. I have no love for Herb, but the things Don says to Joan about it, just gently caress you very much!
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He's not even a bad dude
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in the original thread back when it aired, “don, nooo” became a much more frequent phrase during season 6
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Don is living proof that a tall, handsome, debonair, athletic and rich man at the top of his field can also be a weird hosed up little guy.
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Getting to experience Don's full arc gave me a new appreciation for the absolutely amazing "the bubble" 30 Rock storyline Jon Hamm guest starred in. In fiction and IRL, it's incredible what you can get away with if you're charismatic and conventionally handsome.
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Liz Lemon's description of him as looking like "a cartoon drawing of an airline pilot!" was amazing 
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Gaius Marius posted:He's not even a bad dude season 6 Don is really awful though
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I will say this, his actions don't make me dislike the show. I can think of a lot of other shows where something like that would make me go "why am I still watching this?" but I am still intrigued by everyone else in the show. I guess the difference is that Don's actions do have consequences? Sorta?
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eagerly awaiting your reaction to season 7
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kalel posted:eagerly awaiting your reaction to season 7
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Season 7 is...kinda violent. I was super worried for Ken, and  to MichaelSo far, it is nice to see Don finally eat some poo poo, but I almost feel it's too little, too late for all the crap he's put people through over the years. But hey, that's life for a rich, white man. You get a dozen or so chances, even if you didn't deserve a third or even fourth.
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his life is a near constant misery, he does not truly absorb any of the accolades or benefits that you think he has, how are you misunderstanding this so hard
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Paper Lion posted:his life is a near constant misery, he does not truly absorb any of the accolades or benefits that you think he has, how are you misunderstanding this so hard
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They're right. Failure to understand art should be pointed out not celebrated.
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Aces High posted:Season 7 is...kinda violent. I was super worried for Ken, and did you finish the series y/n
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I just finished episode...5 of season 7, so still got a decent amount to go. though as I am also working my way through the thread itself, I also read the wired article that got posted for the season 6 premier. I found myself nodding along with parts in it which made me realise something about my reaction to the show. I'm watching it with 2023 eyes and also coming at it with preconceived ideas about the characters and show that have been influenced from cultural osmosis. I don't deny that Don doesn't have his issues, I mean holy poo poo does he have a lot of them. But for most of the run time of the show he hasn't, in my eyes, really done anything to actively get better. I mean, I get it, I never said that this was a horrible show and I was going to stop watching it, just that some of his actions get a very visceral reaction from me, something I view as a very good thing when it comes to art. In my own art I always want to get strong emotional responses from my audiences, so I like it when I get that from movies, tv, music, etc.
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Don is a miserable cretin but he also lives a life of incredible material comfort, so it’s kind of hard to accept his dissatisfaction as any sort of recompense. But also, that dissatisfaction is kind of who Don is. He retreats into the romantic narratives of his work (and also occasionally tries to manifest that same romance into the real world) because he will always be unhappy with everything.
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I like Bob. At first, I was wondering who he was and where he came from, then I kinda clued in that he's another version of Don with his own history that he wants to keep secret. Then he seemed a little like Sal 2.0, but with less repression? Again, since I'm not even at the halfway point for season 7, I'm scared he's gonna turn out to have some skeletons and he's gonna turn into a huge rear end in a top hat too  I was already bummed when he proposed to Joan and he revealed that it wasn't because he truly loved her. I totally thought he was sincere
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Bob is an amazing character because he's like a Fire Walk With Me version of Don, all the secrets and most of the charisma but absolutely loving terrible at lying and hilariously transparent. Don is a caricature of how far you can get with conventional good looks and charisma, Bob is a caricature of how far you can get through sheer dogged determination even if you're clearly up to something and full of poo poo.
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LividLiquid posted:Dude. Be cool.
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I like to think the ending was Don actually achieving some sort of growth. Finding someone perfectly describe what he was going through just feels.. impactful, I guess. also bc it’s nice to think people do change for the better e: added spoiler tags i see we caught another new viewer 
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a new study bible! posted:Don is a miserable cretin but he also lives a life of incredible material comfort Sorta? At various points, he shifts between being a notch above living in a cardboard box or Oscar the Grouch with indoor patio furniture.
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Adrianics posted:Bob is an amazing character because he's like a Fire Walk With Me version of Don This is an amazing description, haha. Bob is somebody I hated at first because he was so ridiculously transparent in his asskissing, but realizing that everybody saw through him and didn't give a poo poo, and realizing how deeply empty a person he was and how even up to his final appearances in the show I had no idea who the real "Bob" actually was really brought me around on him.
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well aces high you're really not going to like the ending. let's just say don has a few choice words when tony soprano asks him to join the Prestige TV Drama Initiative
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Sash! posted:Sorta? At various points, he shifts between being a notch above living in a cardboard box or Oscar the Grouch with indoor patio furniture. I never really got the impression that Don’s economic status was ever in peril, unless I’m misremembering.
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a new study bible! posted:I never really got the impression that Don’s economic status was ever in peril, unless I’m misremembering. the closest he get is during his road trip at the end of season seven, but there’s a very high chance that he still has his stocks/bonds and bank accounts filled, so it’s only in the immediate sense, not the real poverty kind of sense anymore
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Lady Radia posted:I like to think the ending was Don actually achieving some sort of growth. Finding someone perfectly describe what he was going through just feels.. impactful, I guess. See the reason I loved the ending is that I thought the opposite. He's on the cusp of learning something, like he's so goddamned close, then at the last second he has a kickass idea for an advertising campaign, and not just any advertising campaign, THE advertising campaign
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Adrianics posted:See the reason I loved the ending is that I thought the opposite. Ad making is Don's artistic outlet. Making the ad shows the opposite of your take, it shows he gets it.
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