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Tnega posted:I do not mean this as a "DEMS BAD" kind of post, but what is Biden's story going in to 2024 [...] I'm a little confused what you mean by "Biden's story". Based on your post, it sounds like you're asking about his accomplishments? If so, there are way too many to go over in a single post and have already been posted lots of time throughout the entirety of this thread. I suggest either going back and reading them or reading news articles/White House press releases. Kalit fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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Kalit posted:I'm a little confused what you mean by "Biden's story". Based on your post, it sounds like you're asking about his accomplishments? I meant "Biden's Story" as more of his election pitch. His own website has it as Republicans are a threat to democracy, which is a pitch Ive heard for... the last 20 or so years? (Yes, it is very true this time with Project 2025) And protecting individual rights and liberties. Which individual rights and liberties? Doesn't give specifics, outside of vague voting ones. Compare this to the, now five months old Trump Ad where his pitch is "Democrats are coming after me personally!" and "I overturned Roe V. Wade". The first is quite true on account of a literal insurrection, and the second was more McConnell, but only one of these ads has a specific "I did this, this is why you should vote for me, and not just against their opponent.
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Tnega posted:I meant "Biden's Story" as more of his election pitch. His own website has it as Republicans are a threat to democracy, which is a pitch Ive heard for... the last 20 or so years? (Yes, it is very true this time with Project 2025) And protecting individual rights and liberties. Which individual rights and liberties? Doesn't give specifics, outside of vague voting ones. Compare this to the, now five months old Trump Ad where his pitch is "Democrats are coming after me personally!" and "I overturned Roe V. Wade". The first is quite true on account of a literal insurrection, and the second was more McConnell, but only one of these ads has a specific "I did this, this is why you should vote for me, and not just against their opponent. After watching the video on his re-election website, I actually like it. Thanks for talking about it and getting me curious enough to check it out! And if you think protecting individual rights and liberties is vague, especially if you've been paying attention to Biden's accomplishments in office, I don't know what to tell you. Sounds like he has an election pitch, you just don't like it. Kalit fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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Tnega posted:I do not mean this as a "DEMS BAD" kind of post, but what is Biden's story going in to 2024. Many of the unions got their sick pay eventually, but my broke-brain remembers him breaking the strike instead. Tnega posted:The American rescue plan was brought up, but it was two years ago, and just mentioning it reminds me of the math that says $1400 is not, in fact $2000.
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Tnega posted:I do not mean this as a "DEMS BAD" kind of post, but what is Biden's story going in to 2024. Many of the unions got their sick pay eventually, but my broke-brain remembers him breaking the strike instead. The American rescue plan was brought up, but it was two years ago, and just mentioning it reminds me of the math that says $1400 is not, in fact $2000. Abortion is a big issue, and while there isn't much The President can do about it, it is another tick in the L column in my book. There's also the whole Israel thing, but I accept AIPAC won long ago on that one. So, all these and more paint a picture of a president flailing and failing. Yes, Trump is obviously not good, and his presidency is in fact responsible for the issues above, but if your issue is that someone took a crap on the floor, and the person with the shovel explicitly with the mandate of cleaning it up doesn't appear to be doing that, well, who is your immediate ire going to be directed towards? This kind of feels like it boils down to "How is Biden going to convince people who aren't paying attention to vote for him?" and I'm not sure if that is a solvable problem. You kind of have to pay attention to know what's going on. e: if abortion is a tick in the L column for you, why would you consider not voting D in the general election? Is there any scenario where that makes sense? Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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Bodyholes posted:In fairness for millennials... it wasn't in reach before that anyway. Add it to the pile. A majority of Millennials are homeowners and they finally cracked the 50% mark in 2022. It's not that no Millennials own homes, it's just that they own them at a lower rate than Gen X/Boomers/Silents. https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/res...0List%20(2023).
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Eletriarnation posted:This kind of feels like it boils down to "How is Biden going to convince people who aren't paying attention to vote for him?" and I'm not sure if that is a solvable problem. You kind of have to pay attention to know what's going on. Like, even setting aside the millions of people directly influenced by campaigns... right now, even a lot of people who like Biden and (theoretically) his policies would tend to say "uhhhh..." if their friend ask them what they liked about him and why they should vote for him. By next October they're going to have a laundry list of talking points to rattle off. The 2020 campaign was so weird , not just because of the dearth of live campaign events but because it wasn't even the biggest news story of the year! Let's not forget what an omnipresent concern Covid was, even up through the first winter of Biden's presidency. While Trump is weirder than ever, I think the campaign will feel more "normal" when there is more grassroots organizing, more organic offline argument/discussion, more focused news coverage (that isn't cutting away to some bizarre anti-mask protest)... the world feels "abnormal" to people today, for whatever reason, but compared to what seemed like possible futures in 2020, it's actually staggering how back-to-normal things are. If you think about young voters - those are the ones who understand what Trump being president means the least, because they might have been in children or full time students when he was president the first time. To the extent Trump is capable of representing an abstract "other" to people, they're the most vulnerable, but they're not blind - they're going to see what he is.
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Josef bugman posted:But then why does everyone seem to be lacking things, why do things feel as if they are not improving or that things are getting worse. What I'm trying to see is why do things not feel good even though the USA at least is avoiding a recession? That's the question all the experts are asking. People's feelings about economic conditions have diverged from both their own economic conditions and the overall economic conditions in a fairly unprecedented way. My personal opinion is that it has a lot to do with how media - and especially social media - have absorbed Biden's initial lack of strong popularity and mixed it with the whirling vortex of endless negativity that social media extends deeply into. For example: Tnega posted:I do not mean this as a "DEMS BAD" kind of post, but what is Biden's story going in to 2024. Many of the unions got their sick pay eventually, but my broke-brain remembers him breaking the strike instead. The American rescue plan was brought up, but it was two years ago, and just mentioning it reminds me of the math that says $1400 is not, in fact $2000. Abortion is a big issue, and while there isn't much The President can do about it, it is another tick in the L column in my book. There's also the whole Israel thing, but I accept AIPAC won long ago on that one. So, all these and more paint a picture of a president flailing and failing. Yes, Trump is obviously not good, and his presidency is in fact responsible for the issues above, but if your issue is that someone took a crap on the floor, and the person with the shovel explicitly with the mandate of cleaning it up doesn't appear to be doing that, well, who is your immediate ire going to be directed towards? Biden has been the most pro-labor president since WWII, both in words (the first president in history to join a picket line!) and in action (Biden's Dept of Labor has actually been quite activist). But leftist Twitter hated him in the first place, and social media tends to generally amplify negativity and hatred while minimizing happy news, so all the good things he did go unnoticed or forgotten. The unions are going to be out and loud for Biden in 2024, but it's anyone's guess whether anyone's going to listen to them when @lib_smasher_69 is pumping out viral tweets about how Joe Biden is the union destroyer. Biden sent out $1400 checks (bigger than the $1200 checks Trump sent out, and with expanded eligibility allowing more people to get them) over the objections of a united Republican caucus who had prevented their own president from sending out another round of checks, and instead of giving him literally any credit at all for it, you're holding it against him because he originally proposed even larger payments before running into heavy Senate resistance. You openly admit that there's not much the president can do about abortion, but you're holding it against him anyway? To be frank, that makes absolutely no loving sense. Especially considering that the president got Senate Dems to put an abortion bill on the floor, publicly called for changing the Senate rules to exempt that bill from the filibuster, and convinced 48 out of 50 Senate Dems to agree to do so. Despite having no direct power here, he certainly pushed hard for it anyway! This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You care about these issues. But when it comes to specifics, you only seem to know the stuff that pissed-off leftists on Twitter were passing around angry-tweets about for weeks. You don't remember the stuff that didn't piss people off - and since that stuff didn't piss people off, it only caught Twitter's attention for a day or two tops. And I think it's also influenced by the fact that Biden was originally not very popular, especially on the left. While he's governed much more to the left of what most people expected, I suspect that many of the people who were predisposed to hate him in the first place have been reluctant to hand it to him even when he does good things, and that's fed into social media's inherent preexisting problems with negativity and anger. A sufficiently popular or charismatic figure would be able to benefit from that inherent negativity, as their cultists would direct that anger and nihilism against the candidate's opponents instead (see also: Donald J Trump), but Biden never really had that core of superfans, and it may not be possible to change that with actions alone. Not really sure it's possible to change with words either - even when he says something strong, people just crack "Dark Brandon" jokes. It's hard to tell what normal voters are thinking about this poo poo, because I severely doubt that very many of them are still resentful about the size of the 2021 stimulus checks two years later. While I can't actually prove this statement, I strongly suspect that the only people who still remember that poo poo and intend to factor it into their voting decisions are people who've been string Biden critics from the beginning. But even if they're not keeping a list of Biden campaign promises in their brains nonstop and forever remembering every single viral criticism of Biden, I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't picking up the general vibes via Twitter osmosis.
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Kalit posted:I'm a little confused what you mean by "Biden's story". Based on your post, it sounds like you're asking about his accomplishments? Someone's story has almost no connection with their "accomplishments", unless said accomplishments reinforce or weaken the story. Is this genuinely a thing people don't understand? There a hell of a lot of people who understand the world in narrative terms - and who don't really understand something unless the underlying story resonates with them. Trump won largely on the basis that he had a great story - the powerful outsider arrives at the city, hated by everyone in the corrupt political class. He is an underdog, but fight his way to the top, taking out enemies one by one by refusing to bow to established norms, eventually seizing control and restoring power to the right people, doing what the previous rulers couldn't and restoring the city's former glory. It was so good people are still loyal to it even if important parts of it didnt actually happen. Hillary had a story, but it was a terrible one, while Bill's story back in the day was well honed. Campaign Obama had a great story but made no effort to continue telling it once in office. Biden's story, so far, has mostly been the "return to normalcy" and "no more bullshit", the person you don't have to think much about, the professional who comes in when things are falling apart and offers a reprieve from exhaustion and intensity. I don't think that story works for a president who is already in office though, and I have no idea what, if any, story he's going to be running on for the next election. I do think the pro-labour movement thing has the foundation for being a good story, but it's only pieces right now - it's not personal, it's not obvious, there's no arc that I can see, and he needs one to pull it together and sell it to the sort of people who need a story to be swayed. I'd wager the most likely outcome is that he doesn't get a good story and runs instead on systemic principles (union organizers turning out the vote, etc.) and, for the narratively inclined, selling himself based on his role in Trump's current story, the bastion of sanity standing against a disgraced former leader and criminal trying to return to power and burn things down out of spite. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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I think my favorite part of Biden's "campaigning" is him and other Democrats pushing for a Tiktok ban. Like imagine if Trump and DeSantis suddenly started pushing for a ban on Twitter or Fox News in between scolding people that use them. Some truly mindboggling electioneering.
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koolkal posted:I think my favorite part of Biden's "campaigning" is him and other Democrats pushing for a Tiktok ban. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-09/republican-contenders-vow-tiktok-ban-citing-security-concerns https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tiktok-creators-some-us-democratic-lawmakers-oppose-ban-app-2023-03-23/ https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/08/14/desantis-says-he-would-ban-tiktok-because-of-china-threat.html
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koolkal posted:I think my favorite part of Biden's "campaigning" is him and other Democrats pushing for a Tiktok ban. Biden isn't campaigning on banning Tiktok. He supported banning it on government devices, but the Commerce Department now just says they want a comprehensive data privacy bill that would apply to all major tech companies, including TikTok, instead of just banning it outright. He rescinded Trump's executive order to ban it early in his presidency. Tiktok moved its data centers to the U.S. for app users in the U.S. as part of a compromise deal. quote:"Certainly TikTok poses national security risks to be clear but we need a comprehensive plan," Raimondo said at a Senate Commerce Committee hearing. https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-commerce-head-hopes-make-first-chips-funding-awards-this-fall-2023-10-04/
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Bar Ran Dun posted:The Dems had tik tik spin off it’s US operations to a US company. wait i can install tiktok now?
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cr0y posted:Food is (or "feels") expensive as gently caress. I don't think it's much of a mystery why people are bitching about the economy when you can't leave a grocery store without dropping $100 at minimum. News articles talk about the rate of inflation, but folks feel the area under the inflation curve. That doesn’t change without deflation. Generally there is a brief sharp period of deflation when a recession starts. If the “optimum” outcome of a “soft landing” occurs that won’t happen, even as the other negative effects of a recession don’t happen (like job losses). It does not help that grocers and large food conglomerates are actively loving with prices in extremely obvious ways by algorithmic pricing.
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TheWeedNumber posted:wait i can install tiktok now? It is available on the iPhone App Store right now.
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cr0y posted:Food is (or "feels") expensive as gently caress. I don't think it's much of a mystery why people are bitching about the economy when you can't leave a grocery store without dropping $100 at minimum. Food is actually expensive as gently caress. It's the one sector that has consistently been outpacing real wage gains for the last few years. Gas and oil is actually at a near-historic low in real dollars, housing has grown slower than real income a few times during that period, and used car price growth has plummeted from what it was in 2021. But, food is the one sector that is categorically more expensive in real terms today and has been for basically every month since the middle of the pandemic. Overall real income is up for the median American in 2023 compared to 2019, but food prices have outpaced real income. So at least 50% of Americans technically have more spending power today than they did in 2019 overall, but the grocery store - which along with gas prices are the two areas that Americans are very aware of price changes every day - is the one area that both feels, and is, worse than 2019. The median American spends about 11% of their income on food each year, so the big prices in food inflation aren't enough to overcome total real wage increases for the median American, but it is still a sizable chunk and VERY visible source of inflation that actually is worse for most people compared to everything else.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:It is available on the iPhone App Store right now. but...you know... *whispers* what about dem chinezies? they not gonna hack my phone is they (nah but for real, are the USG types still shook about a loving app with that company swap or not?)
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I keep typing and then deleting this cause I'm trying to not sound too doomer-y Casual liberals saw orange man kicked out and the Sensible People returned to power, and then nothing really got better. Ideological Liberals have been yanking on every lever of government and economics they have only to find the old rules don't apply post-covid and their elected officials will just refuse to further the party's goals with no way to corral them. Progressives saw Bernie crash, the largest protests in decades fizzle out, and an unprecedented pandemic ultimately result in the future refusing to change, and we all saw that obituary for the Sanders Left a couple months back. Even the optimists in this thread can't say better than "decades" or "generations". 'Well, if the Dems never lose the presidency again and climate change doesn't skullfuck us, we can start getting what we want and need in 2073 when everybody posting here is dead  '.But on the other hand, once an election actually happens, Dems keep winning in pretty much everywhere that's competitive. Maybe DarkCrawler was right all along and rather than fighting for a better world that wasn't possible after all, everybody left-of-GOP will still unite just to tell them to gently caress off.
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TheWeedNumber posted:but...you know... *whispers* what about dem chinezies? they not gonna hack my phone is they Here’s the Times with rough outline of where the whole thing stands as of October. It’s generally not allowed on official devices. Personally I’d skip putting it on a work phone too. (But I’ve had my security clearance information stolen by the Chinese government in the past, back in 2015, https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a8c6_story.html ) https://www.nytimes.com/article/tiktok-ban.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare Something to consider is that the Tik Tok conversation is an example of the Chinese government being much much better at international propaganda than other governments.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Here’s the Times with rough outline of where the whole thing stands as of October. It’s generally not allowed on official devices. Personally I’d skip putting it on a work phone too. (But I’ve had my security clearance information stolen by the Chinese government in the past, back in 2015, https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a8c6_story.html ) Thank you for this. Appreciate it. E: and also this Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Because China passed a new security law in 2017 that required all Chinese companies to store data on servers accessible by Chinese security and intelligence agencies. They can also "spot-check" network and server data of any company without alerting the company or asking for a warrant. TheWeedNumber fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Something to consider is that the Tik Tok conversation is an example of the Chinese government being much much better at international propaganda than other governments. That's an interesting take, I'm not sure what you mean, can you elaborate? International propaganda has always felt like a weak point of the Chinese, but I very much am not the intended audience.
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TheWeedNumber posted:but...you know... *whispers* what about dem chinezies? they not gonna hack my phone is they Because China passed a new security law in 2017 that required all Chinese companies to store data on servers accessible by Chinese security and intelligence agencies. They can also "spot-check" network and server data of any company without alerting the company or asking for a warrant. Since there are 100+ million U.S. Tiktok accounts, they are worried that it could be an incredibly effective spying tool since China has been caught using Huawei to do similar things. Unlike the Huawei situation, there is no direct evidence that China has been using Tiktok for spying yet, though. Tiktok did have "a security breach" where employees accessed and copied information from journalists and people they were connected to via Tiktok. Tiktok said it wasn't doing so on behalf of the government, that it was an isolated incident of rogue employees, and that they fired the people responsible. There was never any direct proof made public that they were doing so on behalf of the government. So, because it would be very easy to transition Tiktok into a major spying operation due to the 2017 Chinese security law, the couple of incidents of data breaches at Tiktok, and the fact that China did something very similar with a different tech company before is why USG types are shook are about it. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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TheWeedNumber posted:but...you know... *whispers* what about dem chinezies? they not gonna hack my phone is they I work for a company with a lot of defense contracts that handles classified stuff. Phones that are connected to our MDM aren’t allowed to have Tik Tok (it locks you out of all the work stuff if it’s detected). Plus you can register personal phones if you don’t get a company phone, but Huawei and ZTE are specifically forbidden.
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Byzantine posted:Casual liberals saw orange man kicked out and the Sensible People returned to power, and then nothing really got better. Like, I would think that that message, coming from the very informed posters of this thread/subforum, might make people think, "hmm, what am I missing?" and go look. But it seems like people just want to come up with an endless list of reason their gut feeling is correct and facts and evidence are just political spin. I know you're kind of implicitly putting this in the POV of "casual liberals" but Biden has a 78% approval rating among Democrats and I can't find a handy breakdown for self-identified "liberals" but I would guess that he has a higher approval rating among that group than Dems as a whole (because he is pretty liberal, and because liberals are willing to cut the party more slack.) The voters that are driving Biden's bad numbers right now are the ones who don't think of themselves as "liberal" or "conservative" (or any kind of "left" or "right," really), and those are also the voters who are most likely to be swayed by a campaign that draws a strong contrast.
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Imagine how much worse inflation (and Biden’s position today) would have been had Build Back Better passed. Joe Mancin really playing the modern day Gollum and inadvertently saving the election (and maybe Democracy).
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Byzantine posted:Even the optimists in this thread can't say better than "decades" or "generations". TheDisreputableDog posted:Imagine how much worse inflation (and Biden’s position today) would have been had Build Back Better passed. Joe Mancin really playing the modern day Gollum and inadvertently saving the election (and maybe Democracy). I'm not sure how much more a larger BBB would have affected that - obviously the headline number would've been bigger but the actual effect on inflation would've heavily depended on how the money was spent in the first year or two, rather than the entire 10 year period. If the extra 1.5 trillion or whatever wasn't getting spent until 24 onward anyway it wouldn't have made any difference. At worst I'd say it would've been another percentage point of inflation. But also, like, people would've been able to afford child care and stuff, so... It is very annoying that to whatever extent Joe Biden actually contributed to his largest political problem, it was caused by what are unquestionably his best policies. And we didn't end up with a totally unexpected, near-miraculous no-unemployment recovery from inflation because of magic, it was because of high demand stimulated by those bills, that still somehow managed to not create an inflation spiral. It seems like those bills were more or less the exact right size. It is super annoying that nobody is considering that the choice isn't "this economy, with inflation" or "this economy, with no inflation." The low-inflation alternate version of the US, where they didn't get that economic stimulus, loving sucks right now, and its economy is horribly depressed. Oh yeah, and in that world there was still high inflation, because the global supply chain was still hosed, it just peaked at 6% instead of 9%. But while everybody was broke and unemployment was high instead of a historically strong labor market. I assure you that you are glad you don't live in that reality. I don't know how you communicate any of that to voters. It does not seem like the answer is "telling them." Misunderstood fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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There's only one way to figure out why people are still pro Trump The new York times must fund yet another round of cletus safaris We must know what rural Ohio thinks about when they think about Trump
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WarpedLichen posted:That's an interesting take, I'm not sure what you mean, can you elaborate? Generally it’s targeted at ethnically Chinese abroad but it’s been in the news recently regarding Taiwan. There’s been some news on that recently that will give you a sense of capabilities: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/26/business/media/taiwan-china-disinformation.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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TVs Ian posted:I work for a company with a lot of defense contracts that handles classified stuff. Phones that are connected to our MDM aren’t allowed to have Tik Tok (it locks you out of all the work stuff if it’s detected). Plus you can register personal phones if you don’t get a company phone, but Huawei and ZTE are specifically forbidden. Just assume they do everything we do.
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In news that isn't about Dems in disarray, how about some Republicans in disarray https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/27/republican-party-finances-election/ Its looking like Trump might have finally drained a lot of the coffers for donors and its gonna hit them pretty hard across the board quote:The Republican Party’s finances are increasingly worrisome to party members, advisers to former president Donald Trump, and other operatives involved in the 2024 election effort, according to 10 people familiar with the matter. The attempt at explanation is kinda laughable considering how much of a non-primary is actually happening on the Republican side quote:In an interview, RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said that donors are currently more focused on giving to individual candidates during the presidential primary and that the party’s fortunes will improve once there’s a nominee. quote:Republican frustrations burst into the open this month after GOP losses in races for the Virginia legislature, the Kentucky governorship, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, and on an Ohio ballot initiative on abortion rights.
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Eletriarnation posted:e: if abortion is a tick in the L column for you, why would you consider not voting D in the general election? Is there any scenario where that makes sense? Main Paineframe posted:You openly admit that there's not much the president can do about abortion, but you're holding it against him anyway? To be frank, that makes absolutely no loving sense. Except, the problem here is the First Past the Post electoral system, and its tendency toward a Two-Party system. In the American context, the President is the leader of their party, and also the typically easiest to hold to account for the failures perceived or otherwise of said party. There are 14 states with a Cook PV within +-5, and only 10 states have at least one Senator on the other side of that divide. In this context, doing the only thing you can do to get the attention of the political class (rejecting their leader) makes sense, and "doing the same thing you did four years ago, expecting different results" is the irrational action.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:The Dems had tik tik spin off it’s US operations to a US company. Biden and many Democrats were in favor of a ban but were largely stymied by legal issues such as free speech. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/09/what-happened-to-the-tiktok-ban-00120434 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/16/why-washington-wont-ban-tiktok-00091690
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The Glumslinger posted:In news that isn't about Dems in disarray, how about some Republicans in disarray What makes them so sure that pushing for a 15 week abortion ban will work? Didn't they already try that in Virginia, only to get soundly beaten?
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Nov 27, 2023 19:02
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I think pushing for a fifteen week abortion ban would send the message to voters that “the Republicans are pushing for more restrictions on abortion” rather than “wow fifteen weeks is a great compromise compared to a six week ban”.
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Nov 27, 2023 19:10
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Zwabu posted:I think pushing for a fifteen week abortion ban would send the message to voters that “the Republicans are pushing for more restrictions on abortion” rather than “wow fifteen weeks is a great compromise compared to a six week ban”. No idea where they came up with that. But I can tell you from experience that it’s just a cover to later restrict below 15 weeks.
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Tnega posted:Except, the problem here is the First Past the Post electoral system, and its tendency toward a Two-Party system. In the American context, the President is the leader of their party, and also the typically easiest to hold to account for the failures perceived or otherwise of said party. There are 14 states with a Cook PV within +-5, and only 10 states have at least one Senator on the other side of that divide. In this context, doing the only thing you can do to get the attention of the political class (rejecting their leader) makes sense, and "doing the same thing you did four years ago, expecting different results" is the irrational action. If you want abortion rights to be protected, then there's nothing rational about fighting for abortion by rejecting the guy who publicly called for overturning the filibuster to protect abortion, especially when it means replacing him with the guy who killed Roe by appointing three anti-abortion Supreme Court judges. There's plenty you can do to get the attention of the political class. It's just that most of it takes slightly more effort than turning up to vote every four years. You are the one doing the same thing you did four years ago and expecting different results - not because you're voting for Dems, but because you're treating your own personal vote as the sole means of political influence.
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