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Elviscat posted:Any project with that much financial backing will produce something, and in this case it produced a wonderful example of one man's hubris! They are gonna sell so many of the drat things unfortunatly.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:They are gonna sell so many of the drat things unfortunatly. They only made 10
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I dunno, they're getting panned pretty widely in the media, and even the Tesla fanbois seem to be split on the design, plus that price tag is going to keep the casuals away. It's too ugly and too expensive. Plus a lot of the Musk simps that would be interested in an EV and salivating over the truck have been turned off by him lately, as he's been pandering to more the coal-rolling crowd. That kinda vaguely liberal but well off potential Cybertruk buyer is going to go for a Rivian now instead. I think it's gonna flop, but I wouldn't bet on it or anything.
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Nov 27, 2023 21:36
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Tesla hasn't been lowering prices lately because they have doing gangbusters. I am positive that Musk has been damaging the company's brand with his poo poo on Twitter.
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Just y’all wait. This is all Elon playing 4D chess to increase adoption of EVs by the right. He’s so close to breaching into full-on acceptance of “buying EVs to own the libs”.
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Doom Rooster posted:Just y’all wait. This is all Elon playing 4D chess to increase adoption of EVs by the right. He’s so close to breaching into full-on acceptance of “buying EVs to own the libs”. All we need to do is start a war over lithium and we can get all the "our troops" types fully onboard
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Doom Rooster posted:Just y’all wait. This is all Elon playing 4D chess to increase adoption of EVs by the right. He’s so close to breaching into full-on acceptance of “buying EVs to own the libs”. I can't wait to see cybertruks parked across all 4 EA stalls while charging, since non-Tesla EVs are "woke" or something.
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Doom Rooster posted:Just y’all wait. This is all Elon playing 4D chess to increase adoption of EVs by the right. He’s so close to breaching into full-on acceptance of “buying EVs to own the libs”. I sometimes wonder about this very thing.
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drhankmccoyphd posted:Is this a good deal for a L2 charger? Looks like its well reviewed, half-off, and has a NACS adapter. Anyone familiar with the brand? https://www.amazon.com/Hiwildoo-Cha...deae8f9840&th=1 If you are going to bother with installing a charger, you might as well put in a 40 amp if you want to use a plug. Doom Rooster posted:Just y’all wait. This is all Elon playing 4D chess to increase adoption of EVs by the right. He’s so close to breaching into full-on acceptance of “buying EVs to own the libs”. I understand that I am an upper-middle class liberal stereotype of everything upper-middle class liberal, that I exist in a space that I can do all the performative "liberal" things without regard to the social or economic cost... Driving an EV is not a political or social statement of any kind, buying gas and dealing with car maintenance just sucks and I have opted out of it. There is no "statement" by me owning EV besides buying gas is loving disgusting and I don't want to do it. 100% of the political opposition to EVs is absolute nonsense, it is either they cost $100 a week to charge or I can't take a road trip (You don't take any road trips, I have known you for two decades, you don't.) Three Olives fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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Here are photos of the new Rav4 Prime I picked up weekend before this past:  Couple more questions: Do I need to "break in" the engine on this thing? If so, what do I do? I see articles about breaking in gas engines, and other articles saying you don't need to break in electric engines, but this thing has both! My last vehicle was a Tacoma single cab I bought new then drove for 18 years and just sold to my brother in law for barely less than half what I paid for it in 2005, which is insane. I'd kept it in decent condition overall apart from a lot of damage to the paint, mostly from the sun and then just general nicks and scratches over time, probably aggravated because I might have waxed it three times total in all those 18 years. Given that history .. . I'm seeing a lot of stuff about ceramic and graphene coatings for the paint. Would that be worthwhile in terms of keeping the new car as close to "like new" as possible, or a waste since I'll probably fail to wash and wax the thing properly anyway?
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Nov 28, 2023 00:01
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You don't need to break in engines in 2023.
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ChronoReverse posted:You don't need to break in engines in 2023. Thanks. I literally read up on car stuff about once every twenty years so apologies for ignorance!
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ChronoReverse posted:You don't need to break in engines in 2023. Yeah, ECMs are programmed to limit engine output for the first 1000 miles or so. As a driver, you don't need to do anything. It's taken care of automatically.
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I asked the saleguy about breaking period too on mine it is just the habit I have lol
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Deteriorata posted:Yeah, ECMs are programmed to limit engine output for the first 1000 miles or so. As a driver, you don't need to do anything. It's taken care of automatically. In a lot of cases this is not true at all. Its more that better tolerances and engine controls mean there is less to wear in on modern engines. That said BMW still has a mandatory break in process for proper M cars still. You can still go all the way up to the redline but if you do that in the first 1200 or so miles you are risking future warranty coverage. https://www.bmwblog.com/2023/02/12/bmw-m-engine-break-in-video/
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They need special instructions for m drivers because you know they’d just do a 100 foot burnout right off the lot
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Elviscat posted:I dunno, they're getting panned pretty widely in the media, and even the Tesla fanbois seem to be split on the design, plus that price tag is going to keep the casuals away. It's too ugly and too expensive. I feel like I’m in bizarro world. We’re basically socialists by US standards, and we actively decided against Tesla and for an ID4 that we’ll be picking up this Saturday. I think the best thing Musk could do for humanity is to jump in a fire. And yet, I think the Cybertruck looks awesome and stands out in a sea of vaguely bulbous CUVs. Will I buy one? At the currently anticipated price tag? Nope. Would I buy one at the originally projected price tag? Maaaaybe? Likely? Bottom line, I get the hate for the actual man and actual product. I don’t understand the hate for the Cybertruck as platonic ideal.
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As somebody who likes Brats, Bajas and the Santa Cruz, I probably should watch a video on the cybertruck sometime, lol.
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Kia Soul Enthusias posted:As somebody who likes Brats, Bajas and the Santa Cruz, I probably should watch a video on the cybertruck sometime, lol. I mean, the other thing, at least right now, is nobody really has much to go on. We saw Elon break a window with a steel ball. We saw some photos of panel gaps. I guess somebody thinks they know how big the battery is. At the moment, it's just a lot of people speculating and then arguing about the speculation. Maybe once somebody is actually able to kick one, we can start having real discussions about things that exist.
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Would be cool if some big time YouTubers already have the cybertruck for review waiting for an NDA to end soon but I doubt Tesla would do this.
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I was watching the Bjorn vids on the EV9, it does look quite good and friggin huge, but I dunno about the price. I will probably wait til they drop. Or they might be eligible for decent rebates.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:I really hate after all these years my stance of "Cybertruk will reach production" was right. Low rate handmade production doesn’t count imo
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priznat posted:I was watching the Bjorn vids on the EV9, it does look quite good and friggin huge, but I dunno about the price. I will probably wait til they drop. Or they might be eligible for decent rebates. Kia’s gunning for premium German cars for sure. Maybe they can pull it off. I’d still wait for a decent used price.
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^^^ I would absolutely prefer an EV carnival. Nfcknblvbl posted:Kia’s gunning for premium German cars for sure. Maybe they can pull it off. I’d still wait for a decent used price. He was pointing out a few flaws that really seemed odd like specifically the cargo attachment in the back being a flimsy plastic thing and the plastic it was mounted to wasn’t secured to the frame so when you pulled on the tie point the whole plastic panel area flexed up. That kind of stuff really keeps it from entering euro spec. Also all the motors Hyundai/Kia uses for stuff like seat adjustment or rear cargo hatch are super loud and lovely sounding. They have a lot of great features but a lot are just not very polished and I’m surprised they haven’t come further since my 2016. When you look at 2012 -> 2016 Kias the difference is huge, quality wise, but a 2016 -> 2023 doesn’t seem as big of a leap. It’s the little things that will get ya.
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Cockmaster posted:And now Tesla is testing version 12, which uses neural networks for control as well as perception. In the long run, that's probably our best hope of getting a self-driving car to handle all the nuances of real-world driving, but when it first comes out it may be a step backwards. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Couple more questions: Any paint protection/undercoating/magic beans the dealer is trying to add is a scam. If it mattered or was necessary the manufacturer would have done it.
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Vegetable posted:EV9 is what happens when people need minivans but want SUVs I look at modern SUVs and they look like minivans anyway except you don't have the convenient sliding doors so what's even the point. You still look as "dorky" (in quotes because I don't think that) as you don't want to look.
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Yeah I don’t want to look cool I just want to disgorge a horde of children out the side door and escape as fast as possible
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I'd love to hear from a powertrain engineer if there really is any meaningful break-in on a mass produced engine happening by the time the vehicle has hit the showroom floor. Volvo, for example, does not have a break-in period. Whoever said to read the manual gave the right answer though.
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morothar posted:I feel like I’m in bizarro world. We’re basically socialists by US standards, and we actively decided against Tesla and for an ID4 that we’ll be picking up this Saturday. I think the best thing Musk could do for humanity is to jump in a fire. I could see how someone could think it looks not poo poo, but it definitely manages to combine the efficiency and weight of a truck with the utility of a CUV.
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HAIL eSATA-n posted:What are “neural networks” and how is that better or different than what Tesla is currently using? What is “perception” in this sense and how is that supposed to work? I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean. Neural networks are a trained (meaning they don’t contain the source/training data) set of nodes, set up in layers to weigh and determine the best-matching set of outputs for a given input. They’re part of the machine learning system that is used today to identify what the car sees out of its cameras; this isn’t unique to Tesla at all but they definitely rely on it the most, and market it accordingly. Your phone also uses it; search for “dog” in your photo app and those pictures were picked out by a similar network. On whatever version of the automated crashing system Tesla ships today, the car has classically-programmed logic to determine what to do in response to a given output of the “perception” network. Apparently in the future there will be a separate set of weighted/layered nodes determining what wheel/pedal action to take as well. There’s a good chance it’s been there for a while, collecting analytics and just not actually doing anything. It will still be garbage when they put it in control of an actual car. Basically the whole thing is about to become nondeterministic and I’m glad I didn’t pay for FSD.
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ChronoReverse posted:You don't need to break in engines in 2023. wtf, this is beyond stupid to assume
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OBAMNA PHONE posted:wtf, this is beyond stupid to assume Outside of doing stupid things that are bad for your engine regardless of breaking in, it really won't matter. Even the M cars referenced above (which at least have some case for it considering how they're built which BMW will gladly make a bit deal of in order to sound like they're extra special). Old vehicles perhaps needed it to settle seals and such but modern mass market cars have to be built to assume the drivers don't even know of such a thing. The only thing more pointless is the also old school idea of way too frequent oil changes. ChronoReverse fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Nov 28, 2023 |
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I’d be really curious to see if there’s any car with a significant break-in process that isn’t some $120k enthusiast car. My WRX had a lot of instructions that I ignored because they were so vague except for the “don’t redline it constantly” one, which is good advice in general.
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I do not have kids and would absolutely have bought an EV minivan if one was available. I love what I see from the ID.Buzz and the Canoo lineup, and would have bought either in a heartbeat instead of my Y if they were available back then. I doubt I'll feel very comfortable keeping the Y when it's out of warranty, so they'll have both had a couple of years in the market by then.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Here are photos of the new Rav4 Prime I picked up weekend before this past: Congrats on your new prime. It seems a few goons are picking them up now that they are more available. I gave my Prime a once over with Turtle Wax Seal and Shine and it looks great. I'm not big into spending $$$ on ceramic coatings but it came out shiny with a basic spray and wipe. I don't think there is a break-in period for the engine. But I also plan on changing oil at 10K as recommended by Toyota. Some nerds insist you should change at 1K or 5K.
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Sonic Dude posted:Basically the whole thing is about to become nondeterministic and I’m glad I didn’t pay for FSD. 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I'm seeing a lot of stuff about ceramic and graphene coatings for the paint. Would that be worthwhile in terms of keeping the new car as close to "like new" as possible, or a waste since I'll probably fail to wash and wax the thing properly anyway? I did the buzzwords to my last new car: paint correction, ceramic coating, paint protection film. It still looks really good four years on, considering it's only been washed once, and every other time has just been a soapy rinse. If I actually washed it like twice a year and did the coating maintenance, it would probably still look new. In my case, the car is a special edition, and the paint is part of the special, so I didn't mind spending the money. That being said, do not pay a dealership to do any of that. If you want to do it, find a shop that actually specializes in it. It probably won't cost more than what the dealership charges, and you're more likely to get something good that will last.
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