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Tiny Timbs posted:I’d be really curious to see if there’s any car with a significant break-in process that isn’t some $120k enthusiast car. My WRX had a lot of instructions that I ignored because they were so vague except for the “don’t redline it constantly” one, which is good advice in general. Most performance ICEs have a break in period specified in the manual, usually stipulating that you not take the RPM above a certain limit for around 1000 miles, as well as other things such as alternating engine load for the first hundred or so miles to ensure that piston rings are seated properly. I know when I read the manual on my mustang I was surprised to see a section on engine break-in telling me to not take the engine above 4000 rpm for 1000 miles and to alternate the engine speed regularly between 2000 and 3500 rpm while driving for the first 100 or so. Consumer appliance ICEs or hybrids likely won't have a specified break in period listed, as you're unlikely to push the engine to the point that something might break in the first 1000 miles.
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carticket posted:I did the buzzwords to my last new car: paint correction, ceramic coating, paint protection film. It still looks really good four years on, considering it's only been washed once, and every other time has just been a soapy rinse. If I actually washed it like twice a year and did the coating maintenance, it would probably still look new. In my case, the car is a special edition, and the paint is part of the special, so I didn't mind spending the money. Thanks, yeah, I'm long home from the dealer and it was an out-of-state purchase. I'm just trying to figure out the best possible ratio of minimum maintenance effort to maximum preservation of vehicle condition.
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I have some doubts that "break in" really does anything tbh. I've heard recommendations like not driving at constant speed at the highway (to vary RPM and what not) and what the hell is that going to do? I also saw this video a few years ago where they did a test with two bikes and did the right procedure on one and redlined the other immediately and there was no measurable difference in the engine or oil condition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpoglovyy_8 I'm pretty sure user-swappable batteries for cars isn't a completely new idea but I haven't seen an actual production car with one yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1LHh6FkpuI Pretty interesting, but again it's the size of those fake quad-cars and costs 17 grand so I dunno. 149km range let's say 100 in reality, and like 90km/h top speed which is definitely more usable than something like the Ami. It could work for me with one 40km city trip + some shopping and what not per week, then drag the batteries inside. Still, I know it's not fair but 17k gets you a lot of other cars. Or a lot of gas for my shitbox Fit. mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Nov 28, 2023 |
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Yeah I don’t consider “don’t drive like a loon and don’t go at a constant speed” to be a significant break-in process, and the latter instruction is just confusing because I don’t know if they’re suggesting I oscillate between 30mph and 50mph in city traffic or just avoid taking a cross county road trip with cruise control pegged at 80mph. I have seen instructions for enthusiast vehicles that are much more detailed with specific instructions and early maintenance.
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We should make up random weird break in suggestions for EVs: Don’t let the battery go below 40% for the first 1000 miles; your first 10 charging sessions should alternate between fast and slow charging; don’t park on an incline so the electrons don’t pool in one end of the battery
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borkencode posted:We should make up random weird break in suggestions for EVs: Don’t let the battery go below 40% for the first 1000 miles; your first 10 charging sessions should alternate between fast and slow charging; don’t park on an incline so the electrons don’t pool in one end of the battery Lol the older bolts actually have something enforced in the firmware where you can't charge them to full for like 10000 miles or something along those lines. I think it's related to their battery fire recalls? On the boltev forums there's threads where people celebrate when they finally pass the mileage restriction and can fully charge up their cars
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borkencode posted:We should make up random weird break in suggestions for EVs: Don’t let the battery go below 40% for the first 1000 miles; your first 10 charging sessions should alternate between fast and slow charging; don’t park on an incline so the electrons don’t pool in one end of the battery If you drive in reverse it charges the battery
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Turn the battery around so that driving forward charges it. One weirde trick they don't want you to know
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borkencode posted:Don’t let the battery go below 40% for the first 1000 miles Needs to be more ridiculous. Like, never charge at home with an odd percentage left on the battery. Sometimes this means you have to drive around the block a few times before pulling in, but you get used to it pretty quickly.
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Do not attempt to operate or charge the vehicle when ambient temperature is outside of 65f-75f, for the first 1,000 miles.
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Don't remove the frunk shrimp for the first week of driving, just keep the ice topped up. If your frunk didn't come with shrimp then call your dealer
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I legit love the Volvo one pedal driving, the regen seems really strong and I rarely if ever touch the brake now. I did some experiments at night next to some white columns so I could see how it lights up and the brake lights actually change intensity based on how much I let up. It’s really nice. Just been going on Pure (rwd electric motors only) to and from work and charging up at both ends. Another cool feature that I never had seen before is rear fog lights which boosts the rear lights up so it’s more visible to cars behind in a thick fog. Pretty smart! We have had some super foggy days here. However the v60 polestar does not have front fog lights but the headlights are quite good anyway so it’s not a huge deal.
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Not sure if its been mentioned yet, but apparently GM decided not to replace the battery on our 2020 Bolt. Instead we got a software update with some diagnostics to check if the battery is ok and alert you if there's a problem. GM also gave us $1400 in "here's your fix now shut the gently caress up" money. Bolt never leaves town, so that's fine with me.
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Two months of used 2017 Bolt ownership and the only complaints I have are related to the interface. I find the center screen is too low, and too far away. Half of that is my stumpy little arms, but being too low seems like a poor design decision. It's impossible for me to use without taking my eyes off the road. The other complaint is pretty minor - I can't find anywhere that tells me how much juice it's getting from a charge. The UI doesn't seem to have that built-in, I have to use the app. Otherwise, it's an excellent car. No squeaks or rattles anywhere, good efficiency, good handling, good power, and the ride is excellent.
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Is there any reason ID4s are so heavily discounted right now? On paper it looks like a great deal for an EV as it qualifies for the $7500 tax credit on top of being listed for ~30k in a lot of places. The Ioniq5 and EV6 look similar but they're consistently 7-10k more expensive and don't qualify for the credit. Haven't test driven anything yet. Not in any rush to buy, but I want something reliable that I can plan on driving for 10-15 years with minimal repairs/hassle like my current 2008 TL...
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The lease loophole allows the Hyundai/Kias to still effectively get the $7500 credit. Supposedly the RWD configs are less popular and might get a bit of discount. I've seen some dealers pretty down on the reliability of ID4's they've sold, but take that with a grain of salt as sales tend to be kind of FUD-y on EVs (mostly because their pricing is often structured so there's minimal profit for their commission to be based off of).
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Is Hyundai still doing the lease $7500 deals? Haven't seen it since last month.
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Pork Chops Aplenty posted:Not in any rush to buy, but I want something reliable that I can plan on driving for 10-15 years with minimal repairs/hassle like my current 2008 TL... THIS IS JUST MY OPINION but... I would stick to ICE versus an EV if that's the case. EVs today are very much 1.0 products. If that timeline was 5-7 years, maybe EVs.
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Pork Chops Aplenty posted:Is there any reason ID4s are so heavily discounted right now? On paper it looks like a great deal for an EV as it qualifies for the $7500 tax credit on top of being listed for ~30k in a lot of places. The Ioniq5 and EV6 look similar but they're consistently 7-10k more expensive and don't qualify for the credit. Haven't test driven anything yet. VW made way too many 2023 models, and the ID4 doesn’t stand out much from the competition. Plus, is kind of expensive relative to a lot of the other VW lineup. You can expect discounts up to $16K on the top-spec model (including the Federal EV rebate). Plus, I think any EV qualifies for the tax credit through leasing, so the pressure from eg the Hyundais is very much there at MSRP.
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I really like the look of the ID.4. I suppose it’s probably too early to know how difficult it is maintenance wise? My parents drove VWs and Audis for my entire childhood and they were constantly in the shop so I’ve become quite wary of German cars, but an EV should have a lot less points of failure.
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TheWevel posted:THIS IS JUST MY OPINION but... I'll throw in a differing opinion: I've only had EVs since 2017 and every one of them (Tesla, Nissan, Chevrolet) has been less maintenance than any gas car I've ever owned. TheWevel's instincts here aren't misplaced: we don't have as much data about EVs as we have about ICE cars. And there are going to be some lemons. But at least my experience is that this technology is shaping up to be a lot lower-maintenance than the one it's replacing.
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Failson posted:Two months of used 2017 Bolt ownership and the only complaints I have are related to the interface. I also think the screen in the 2023 is too low, and the center glovebox console is also too far back to even get your elbow to rest on it, it needs a chair arm on the right side of the driver's seat. It's also just a hole so you need to buy a tray. The glove box is also kinda funky, it doesn't hold much and it is angled weird so stuff can fall out. I also think the rear brakes are dumb, both front and back should have the same turning signal design The only other complaint is the charging speed is just, it's unacceptablely slow, 50kw was fine a while ago but it really should be at 250kw or so; 800v ends up being 18m for 10-80% which is entirely reasonable. If you're puttering around your state normally, it's fine, but road trips with this is rather tiring, I went to west PA and it added like six hours+ of waiting for the battery to charge. If I had the money, I would get a Ioniq 5 Limited RWD (all of the ones I see in stock are AWD but I wouldn't be interested in that, because of the range decrease) but alas, it isn't to be. I'll certainly consider it later on when it's more financially viable.
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Anyone else notice an uptick in anti-EV content popping up on their feeds (youtube, news, twitter, etc)? Perhaps I watched the wrong video and got flagged, but I'm getting a bunch of "These people bought an EV and now TOTALLY regret it!!" videos which regurgitate the same ol' issues with EVs.
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Freezer posted:Anyone else notice an uptick in anti-EV content popping up on their feeds (youtube, news, twitter, etc)? my feed is very Left, so I get a lot of “Elon sucks” content and by extension a lot of “Teslas, specifically, are bad/poorly built/anti-union/unsafe/etc” content, but very very rarely have I gotten explicitly anti-EV/pro-gas content
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Freezer posted:Anyone else notice an uptick in anti-EV content popping up on their feeds (youtube, news, twitter, etc)? It's been election time in a lot of european states recently so the russian bot farms are boosting right-wing antiev rhetoric which are low effort and high return.
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Freezer posted:Anyone else notice an uptick in anti-EV content popping up on their feeds (youtube, news, twitter, etc)? I saw some of them a couple months ago maybe? Never opened any of them, though. I can't recall seeing any recently. The Algorithm serves up what it thinks you will click on. Big shocker, I know: you pretty much said the same thing in your post. Lately I've been getting a lot of poo poo about expensive jewelry. I can't think of anything I'm less interested in. Maybe I looked up Fabergé last month or something  e: and Texas. Honestly, my "news feed" is a 2-minute diversion these days, it's full of dumb crap I couldn't care less about. This makes me feel like I won. cruft fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Nov 28, 2023 |
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Squibbles posted:Lol the older bolts actually have something enforced in the firmware where you can't charge them to full for like 10000 miles or something along those lines. I think it's related to their battery fire recalls? The last software update to deal with the LG battery fire recall introduced this. Instead of replacing every battery they installed software that limits max charge to 80% and monitors the battery. After 6200 miles the limit is automatically removed if no issues are detected.
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I was looking at a Bolt EV as a well priced electric econobox that qualifies for the full tax credit, then noticed while researching that the Bolt EUV has Super Cruise as an option on the higher tier trim, which is very enticing to me, but of course that's a lot more expensive than the base Bolt EV trim, and now I don't know what to do. I'm aware that Super Cruise is just L2, but it still seems pretty nice for freeway driving.
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I didn't get super cruise and now kind of wish I did, fwiw. The fact you need to eventually have OnStar and a subscription or something put me off.
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morothar posted:VW made way too many 2023 models, and the ID4 doesn’t stand out much from the competition. Plus, is kind of expensive relative to a lot of the other VW lineup. VW massively underproduced and still didn't sell many. They got a slow start in the transition from the German cars to Chattanooga cars, probably from battery issues, and missed the boat on the EV bubble by the time they got building in volume. There were some other significant problems like the door handle recall that really kept them from building/selling many until recently, but welp, too late.
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Cicero posted:I was looking at a Bolt EV as a well priced electric econobox that qualifies for the full tax credit, then noticed while researching that the Bolt EUV has Super Cruise as an option on the higher tier trim, which is very enticing to me, but of course that's a lot more expensive than the base Bolt EV trim, and now I don't know what to do. FYI chevrolet already said the bolt will stop getting supercruise mapping updates. If you get the ACC package you can add OpenPilot, but that’s not compatible with supercruise cars. I haven’t tried it myself because I can’t bring myself to install open source driver assistant software on the car my family rides in. I did order supercruise on the lyriq though. The dealer took a deposit but when does that actually turn into an order?
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GreenBuckanneer posted:I also think the screen in the 2023 is too low, and the center glovebox console is also too far back to even get your elbow to rest on it, it needs a chair arm on the right side of the driver's seat. It's also just a hole so you need to buy a tray. The glove box is also kinda funky, it doesn't hold much and it is angled weird so stuff can fall out. I also think the rear brakes are dumb, both front and back should have the same turning signal design The low screen in the Bolt is one of my favorite things about it, it avoids the tablet-glued-to-dash thing every car has nowadays. The arm room isn't great though, and one of my bigger pet peeves with the car since I'm 6'4. Also agree on the ridiculously crippled charging speed, I don't need 250kW charging on a small efficient car, but at least give me 1.5C man.
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Talorat posted:I really like the look of the ID.4. I suppose it’s probably too early to know how difficult it is maintenance wise? My parents drove VWs and Audis for my entire childhood and they were constantly in the shop so I’ve become quite wary of German cars, but an EV should have a lot less points of failure. Only had ours less than a year, but it's holding up really well, no issues of any sort.
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Elviscat posted:give me 1.5C man Your battery will last a lot longer if you stay under the speed of light.
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cruft posted:Your battery will last a lot longer if you stay under the speed of light. Depends on what frame of reference you're measuring time from...
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cruft posted:Your battery will last a lot longer if you stay under the speed of light. What kind of headlights does that vehicle have and why does it??
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Wayne Knight posted:FYI chevrolet already said the bolt will stop getting supercruise mapping updates. If you get the ACC package you can add OpenPilot, but that’s not compatible with supercruise cars. I haven’t tried it myself because I can’t bring myself to install open source driver assistant software on the car my family rides in. I think Chevy works about the same as Ford, with Ford it turns into an order as soon as the dealer has available allocation but then it can sit for many months waiting for the build to be scheduled. With my Bronco it took 2 years for the "reservation" to turn in an order and then it took about 3 months for the build to get scheduled and then about a month for it to get railed and then trucked to the dealer. But that's because Bronco's had insanely high demand at the time so no idea on the Lyriq.
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Chronojam posted:I didn't get super cruise and now kind of wish I did, fwiw. The fact you need to eventually have OnStar and a subscription or something put me off. I bought my EUV with supercruise, mostly because I liked the rest of the vehicle and it was actually available at the time. It's.. fine. There are very few areas around me that it actually works consistently in. Ironically in Northern Virginia there has been so much construction on I-66 east that it is unmapped but points west, where I never drive, are. I did get a survey from GM around 2 months ago asking questions like "if there was a way to significantly increase the coverage of supercruise on your Bolt how much would you pay?" I said about $1k if it was significantly more than just parts of main highways like it currently is.
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Wayne Knight posted:FYI chevrolet already said the bolt will stop getting supercruise mapping updates. If you get the ACC package you can add OpenPilot, but that’s not compatible with supercruise cars. I haven’t tried it myself because I can’t bring myself to install open source driver assistant software on the car my family rides in. Yeah I'll just get the adaptive cruise control I guess and make do with that. Thanks for the heads up.
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