MLB N/V 2023-24 Offseason: The 680 million dollar Bonilla (Taxes?)

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euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Mauer does not have similar team success numbers

I�m not really concerned with PAs for the catcher position.

# ? Nov 28, 2023 18:51

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# ? May 29, 2024 00:31

R.D. Mangles: Jan 10, 2004

Eric the Mauve posted:

Dawson had 48 WAR as an Expo, 19 as a Cub. The plaque can drat well stay as it is.

Now excuse me while I stand over here in my pose while being buried in cubsposts

I never thought I'd see add up the wars for a hat plaque

# ? Nov 28, 2023 18:54

Milovan Drecun: Apr 17, 2007; I masturbate in traffic.

euphronius posted:

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I think mauer should be in the hall of fame

But posey is like �what if you had mauer but also he contributed to huge team success ?�

One of the best players of the past 20 years or so

Gotcha, I misunderstood your position. I do see how you could view them as having substantively different careers based on playoffs, even if I don't personally agree it should be used as a separator

# ? Nov 28, 2023 18:57

Eric the Mauve: May 8, 2012; Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Citing the WAR totals is a helpful shorthand way to express that Dawson's entire prime was spent as an Expo. He had two good years with the Cubs and the rest was just hanging around. He absolutely should be enshrined as an Expo.

# ? Nov 28, 2023 18:58

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
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That's fine if a player doesn't specify a preference but Dawson is specifically saying he wants it to be a Cubs hat. Not sure why WAR totals should trump that, especially considering the Expo's no longer exist and he's a celebrated former Cub player today.

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:01

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Also as mentioned mauer played roughly half of his games a C whereas posey played about 85% of his games at C

Roughly. Just eyeballing the stats

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:01

live with fruit: Aug 15, 2010

Popete posted:

That's fine if a player doesn't specify a preference but Dawson is specifically saying he wants it to be a Cubs hat. Not sure why WAR totals should trump that, especially considering the Expo's no longer exist and he's a celebrated former Cub player today.

Didn't Boggs want to go in as a Devil Ray? Isn't that what it was all about?

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:03

Milovan Drecun: Apr 17, 2007; I masturbate in traffic.

euphronius posted:

Also as mentioned mauer played roughly half of his games a C whereas posey played about 85% of his games at C

Roughly. Just eyeballing the stats

He played about 100 games less at catcher than Posey for his career.

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:04

R.D. Mangles: Jan 10, 2004

live with fruit posted:

Didn't Boggs want to go in as a Devil Ray? Isn't that what it was all about?

I believe the Rays were going to pay him to go in with a Rays cap

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:06

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R.D. Mangles posted:

I believe the Rays were going to pay him to go in with a Rays cap

The Rays are loving gross.

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:10

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live with fruit posted:

Didn't Boggs want to go in as a Devil Ray? Isn't that what it was all about?

Yeah players were allowed to pick their hats until the Hall got wind that the Rays were trying to pay Boggs to go in with a Rays cap instead of a Red Sox one.

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:11

live with fruit: Aug 15, 2010

The idea that Dawson shouldn't be in there as an Expo because they don't exist anymore goes against the whole point of the Hall of Fame.

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:12

Eric the Mauve: May 8, 2012; Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Popete posted:

That's fine if a player doesn't specify a preference but Dawson is specifically saying he wants it to be a Cubs hat. Not sure why WAR totals should trump that, especially considering the Expo's no longer exist and he's a celebrated former Cub player today.

This isn't an argument about the validity of WAR. In this case the cited WAR totals are perfectly valid--any thirty-second look at his tradstats with a cursory familiarity with park effects is sufficient to see that to the extent he was a Great Player, it was almost entirely as an Expo. That the Expos no longer exist is not an argument for memory holing them. It seems appropriate, in the centerpiece exhibit of a museum that celebrates baseball history, to favor accurately depicting baseball history over the personal preferences of the enshrined players, should the two conflict.

If it's a close call--Fisk with the Red Sox/White Sox, for example, or Bunning with the Tigers/Phillies--by all means let the player pick. This is not a marginal call.

e: Fisk isn't that good an example really, he played longer with the White Sox but most of his best years were in Boston

Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Nov 28, 2023

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:13

live with fruit: Aug 15, 2010

Has Dawson made any money off of the Cubs since he retired? Is there a difference between being cut a check and getting a "Special Adviser to whatever" job?

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:16

Eric the Mauve: May 8, 2012; Making you happy for a buck since 199X

How do you feel about changing Tim Raines' cap to the White Sox? After all, the Expos don't exist anymore. And humorously, his WAR data is almost identical to Dawson's (48 with Montreal, 16 with Chicago).

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:17

live with fruit: Aug 15, 2010

Stop the press!

https://twitter.com/BRWalkoff/status/1729551211114717654

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:20

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Milovan Drecun posted:

He played about 100 games less at catcher than Posey for his career.

Yeah good point. Exactly

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:23

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live with fruit posted:

Stop the press!

https://twitter.com/BRWalkoff/status/1729551211114717654

Giving out Tanaka's number is rude. Just bring him back.

# ? Nov 28, 2023 19:25

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live with fruit posted:

Has Dawson made any money off of the Cubs since he retired? Is there a difference between being cut a check and getting a "Special Adviser to whatever" job?

He was pulled out of the ivy a few years ago

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:21

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

MLB really needs to do something to make the free agency period more like the NBAs and NFLs. This poo poo is boring.

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:23

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
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Eric the Mauve posted:

This isn't an argument about the validity of WAR. In this case the cited WAR totals are perfectly valid--any thirty-second look at his tradstats with a cursory familiarity with park effects is sufficient to see that to the extent he was a Great Player, it was almost entirely as an Expo. That the Expos no longer exist is not an argument for memory holing them. It seems appropriate, in the centerpiece exhibit of a museum that celebrates baseball history, to favor accurately depicting baseball history over the personal preferences of the enshrined players, should the two conflict.

If it's a close call--Fisk with the Red Sox/White Sox, for example, or Bunning with the Tigers/Phillies--by all means let the player pick. This is not a marginal call.

e: Fisk isn't that good an example really, he played longer with the White Sox but most of his best years were in Boston

It isn't about memory holing the Expos my point was that there is no longer an Expos team to offend by changing hats, sure some fans might be upset but it's Dawson asking to change the hat seems like if a player has a preference they should honour that over whatever career stats they compiled (barring external factors like being paid to go in with a given team).

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:24

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
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mcmagic posted:

MLB really needs to do something to make the free agency period more like the NBAs and NFLs. This poo poo is boring.

I don't really follow either the NFL/NBA but what exactly is so interesting about their off seasons?

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:25

maffew buildings: Apr 29, 2009; too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

bawfuls posted:

Johan should have won the 2005 Cy Young, which would have gotten him 3 instead of 2, and maybe also the Hall because everyone with 3 or more is in or expected to be.

I really hope Snellzilla gets number three and also has a career war of like 35

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:29

Nodoze: Aug 17, 2006; If it's only for a night I can live without you

Popete posted:

I don't really follow either the NFL/NBA but what exactly is so interesting about their off seasons?

Players sign as soon as FA opens. The Deal Zone, if you will, is is immediate

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:30

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

live with fruit posted:

They have similar numbers but Mauer had 2300 more PA.

entirely at 1B and DH

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:31

Eric the Mauve: May 8, 2012; Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Also in the NBA teams actually make trades.

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:31

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

live with fruit posted:

The idea that Dawson shouldn't be in there as an Expo because they don't exist anymore goes against the whole point of the Hall of Fame.

yeah if anything their nonexistance is an argument FOR him having an Expos hat

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:33

maffew buildings: Apr 29, 2009; too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

Gary Carter wanted to go in as a Met instead of the Expos so I'm glad the Hall got that one right, at least

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:37

Nissin Cup Nudist: Sep 3, 2011; Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land

Nodoze posted:

Players sign as soon as FA opens. The Deal Zone, if you will, is is immediate

Even NHL players sign immediately, even if most of them are just poo poo cloggers

MLB is the only league where FA just drags on

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:47

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
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If everyone signs immediately then what do you have to talk about all off season? HoF hats?

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:49

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
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I don't own a lot of baseball memorabilia but my partners sister got me these coasters (and some nice glasses) for Christmas and they are pretty neat.

Also I did not remember Coco Crisp played for Cleveland in the World Series.

# ? Nov 28, 2023 20:52

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

Popete posted:

I don't own a lot of baseball memorabilia but my partners sister got me these coasters (and some nice glasses) for Christmas and they are pretty neat.

Also I did not remember Coco Crisp played for Cleveland in the World Series.

wanna see the version of this from that play at the end of 2020 game 4

# ? Nov 28, 2023 21:01

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

Popete posted:

I don't own a lot of baseball memorabilia but my partners sister got me these coasters (and some nice glasses) for Christmas and they are pretty neat.

Also I did not remember Coco Crisp played for Cleveland in the World Series.

Owns

# ? Nov 28, 2023 21:22