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Dandywalken posted:fly away, little troll I don't see you in the signup sheets either.
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The Long Afternoon War - Mission 5 - Pontiac 2 AAR Flight Members: Pontiac 2-1 | Prime Pontiac 2-2 | Lumme Tasking: BARCAP Kills: 2x J-7 (Mig-21's); 1x (friendly) Mirage-2000 Losses: -3x airframes (Prime x1, Lumme x2) Expended: 4x Super 530D, 6x Magic 2 Summary  Pontiac 2 was scrambled mid poker night at Rio Turbio, my wingman and I dashed to our airframes and pushed unrestricted climb outs to repel the air incursion that appeared to catch command by surprise. We switched 261 for Condor and requested vectoring and got tasked with a pair of J-7's to our South East. My wingman and I identified 2 bandits and at 15nm with solid radar lock and having confirmed intermittent NCTR that identified type as Mig-21 (which also covers the J-7); I launched my first fox 1. At this time, we were unaware that Pontiac 1 was merged in amongst the bandits, as our radar granularity is insufficient to pickout overlapping objects, and significantly exacerbated by not receiving IFF from Pontiac 1 which will become more relevant later.. My first fox 1 misses, having reviewed the situation I believe my missile was tracking correctly, but lost energy due to the bandit turning cold upon launch. I released a second fox 1 at 11nm; at this point, it's unclear whether my radar had switched from the bandit to Pontiac 1-1, as they were aligned and at a distance where the radar could not separate them, and with no IFF return I didn't question the shot. The missile was subsequently defeated, likely due to Pontiac 1-1's counter measures.  With both long range missiles expended we entered the merge. Through my NVG I made a clear visual ID on a J-7 and killed it with a 2nm fox 2 shot. Ahead of my through my NVG I could make out a number of aircraft but at a range I couldn't visually identify type.  Using the boresight dogfight mode acquisition, I began locking targets in sequence in order to IFF them. The first 2 targets I IFF'd returned friendly, but the third failed to respond. I called Condor to confirm bogey off my nose, and with confirmation took the shot. Regrettably, it turned out this was Pontiac 1-1. At this point I was winchester and my wingman had lost visual on each other. I returned to base while Lumme stayed on station and was quickly drawn in to a 2vs1 battle with a pair of J-7's bearing down on Pontiac 1-2. Unfortunately Lumme couldn't prevent P1-2's shoot down. He dispatched 1 bandit in very close range with a fox 2, the second bandit was quickly on his tale and Lumme was forced defensive spiral, ultimately resulting in a CFIT due to task saturation and night time lighting. I touched down at Rio Turbio and forgot to disable my Mode 4 IFF which after 60s weight on wheels automatically deletes the codes, rather than wait for ground crew to rearm the plane AND reset my IFF, I decided it'd be quicker to transition to a spare frame from the hanger. Somehow, Pontiac 2-2 was with me, and we set off again to continue our CAP. We checked in with Condor and headed to our previous CAP point, on route, we caught a J-11 on our RWR, we enquired with Condor who realised the bandit was only 10nm from us; he'd been presumed low flying and avoiding AWACS. My wingman and I turned in to the fight, but were defeated in quick succession by what we assume were fox 2's. -- What went well?
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Court report Pontiac 2-1 was cleared of any criminal wrong doing but has been grounded for the upcoming days operation to attend sensitivity training following comments exchanged in the pilots common room area following the friendly fire incident Court room artists impression (who lazily got the nationalities wrong, but is otherwise very accurate) 
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  USSOUTHCOM Update Strategic Updates: -Following unconfirmed reports of an attack on a PRC anti-satellite system in Africa, the RPC launched two ASATs from Southern Africa, successfully striking two US satellites. The debris field is significant, but has no cascading effect. The PRC released a public statement that their hand was forced in engaging in these ASAT launches out of self defense based on the US, UK, and other western governments expanding their conflict into the South Atlantic. -The U.S. has moderate confidence that only 2x ASATs were launched based on a system fault rather than a deliberate choice by the PLA to hold rounds in reserve or to deescalate. We continue to observe satellite and GPS jamming and dazzling effects out of the Falklands and Africa. -CV-16 Liaoning has been spotted leaving Edinburgh of the Seven Seas yesterday, putting it, after a day's sail, some 2000 nm away from Falklands AOR Update -We continue to observe satellite and GPS jamming and dazzling effects out of the Falklands and localized GPS jamming in TdF, likely intended for force protection. -Increased maritime patrol activity around the Falklands in the form of Y-8 MARPAT sorties. -By now, we expect that the divisional rocket artillery delivered in previous weeks should be fully operational, though presently unlocated. Given the delays of the PLA front, it is likely that long-range artillery and tactical ballistic missiles will be better integrated into the ground fight, as the PLA accepts a bit of a slower tempo in order to better integrate their fires and maneuver. Rocket artillery includes PHL-03s (similar to smerch), and ballistic missile forces offloaded near Rio Grande include DF-11 (CSS-7) conventional ballistic missiles. -USSOUTHCOM has a non-standard reconnaissance team operational in the area, with their primary missions to report on relocation of BSA/DSA sized elements and secondary effort to locate ballistic and rocket artillery forces. -No change to the BSA southwest of the Y-71 & Y-85 intersection. Based on consolidation of TdF, we would expect this to move or disaggregate in the coming week or so. -There are reports that the PLAN may combine efforts with ground force air defenses to better secure their ships from attacks via the fjords. Unconfirmed, but our analysts imagine that PLAN leadership will not tolerate continued utilization of PLAN assets for static defense of coastlines, unsupported by ground forces as they have done so far. Training Opportunity: -USSOUTHCOM extends an invitation for up to 30 pax (pilots and weapons officers) to attend training at Holloman AFB. The US is returning some QF-4s to combat code status, given ongoing aircraft shortages and losses among partner nations who fly F-4s, and CSAD is under consideration to receive some of these aircraft.
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You know things are getting desperate if you're bringing an airplane from the 50s back into service.
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Dance Officer posted:You know things are getting desperate if you're bringing an airplane from the 50s back into service. The other thing USSOUTHCOM is looking into to assist with SEAD is supplying airframes like MQM-170s, BQM-74s, or BQM-167s (all relative low-cost target drones) to help activate air defenses, soak up rounds, and otherwise make packages a bit more survivable. Still an effort in progress. Worldwide advanced munition and parts shortages abound! MQM-170 assembly  BQM-167 
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 Headed back to good old Puerto San Julián, this time with a cargo that's only been described as "spicy pipes." I guess the residents need some hot sauce, but 10,000kgs of cargo is a hell of a lot. Anyway, let's sign off on this thing before Captain Santos returns and crawls up my culo.  It was a typical humid early morning out here in Rio, and the rain didn't help things. I was grateful for ground power to the air conditioner, as it sucked the humidity out of the flight deck air. The captain and I woke up our A320 and loaded the flight plan, a pretty easy and nearly direct jaunt down the South Atlantic coast. During pushback, there was an odd thump from the left side of the plane, and I radioed to the ground crew to ask what happened.  "What? Everything is fine here. Safe flight!" I glanced at Captain Santos and mentioned the noise, but he didn't seem concerned either.  It was probably just a pothole, don't worry about it. You know this cargo ramp isn't as well kept as the rest of the place.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKU_HO2mBXs Takeoff was nominal, as we quickly punched through the rain clouds into the pink and orange hues of the coming sunrise. A few minutes after takeoff, while we were in the middle of our instrument departure procedures, the Captain and I started to hear an intermittent thunk noise. Like something was smacking against the fuselage. ... ... ...Mierda. The Captain sent me back to try and find the source of the noise, but everything seemed bolted down, the can openers for the spicy hot sauce pipes weren't going anywhere. I ducked into the rear lav for a moment of peace while I tried to figure out what was going on. As I exited and prepared to return with nothing to show for my hunt but an empty bladder, my eye caught a horrifying sight out a left window.  The fuel hose from the ground crew had been slamming against the plane. That was the noise! I rushed back to the flight deck to inform the Captain, who immediately contacted Rio Control for a temporary hold while we troubleshot the problem. The plane seemed to be flying alright, and to our relief, the hose was not draining the left tanks. Still, we needed to find out if this required an emergency dump and return to Rio, or if we could proceed onwards. I contacted the Avianca Operations team, and was told they were reaching out to Airbus directly for advice. After an agonizing 10 minutes waiting in the holding pattern, we got a company message on the MDCU.  Captain Santos and I looked at each other and shared a shrug.  "Okay, we send it."      The rest of the flight was unremarkable, other than the continual intermittent thwap from the damned fuel hose. Neither of us talked much at all, which was probably a blessing, considering our last flights ended up with him not caring about my sightseeing, and me not caring about his love of 90s era futbol players.    After shutdown, the San Julián ground crew, Captain Santos, and myself all walked out to inspect the damage. Other than some black rubber scuff marks where the end of the hose smacked against the plane, it was intact, and we all agreed that the plane was still in flyable condition. That was enough excitement for me. I hope the locals enjoy their hot sauce.
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Bentai posted:
Perfect. That now concludes the loop on the Argentine Navy Super Etendards. They have exocets and parts available for future operations if needed, and you have brought two more online. Currently there are 4 fully mission capable Super Etendards available for the Naval Commander.
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Speaking as an observer, and I know this is a very, very broad question given circumstances, but about how well do folks think the campaign is going? As far as damage inflicted, state of your own aerial assets/ground forces, and what the PLA is expected to be able to put into things to keep up their own tempo of operations? This is a very broad question from a thread observer just trying to get an idea of the overall strategic picture!
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 We'll do a bit less RPG-ey WW2 campaign over Normandy, you'll see player squadrons flying Allies. It has a bit of a lore nod for the Long Afternoon War, but it will simply follow real history to an extent and tie in only maybe with references if much at all. We'll do two weeks of Long Afternoon War, and then one week of Primo Victoria, then back to Long Afternoon War. It serves as a built-in break for TLAW, and nurtures some of the WW2 interest in the community. You can follow the thread here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4048212
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USSOUTHCOM is able to provide 4x launchers and MQM-170-derived airframes to serve as decoys in support of SEAD/DEAD. This is part of a standup program for the US to provide decoys for itself and especially partner nations in order to assist with SEAD and penetration for missile attacks in a more cost-effective and rapidly manufactured manner. Assuming acceptance from CSAD, the U.S. will fly the equipment as far as Buenos Aires within 48 hours (available for next mission). Transport and employment from there is up to CSAD. [OOC: GM will have final say on volley sizes and inventories and whether or not I jumped the gun on supplying this, but for now we'll say you get 4x launchers and 12 aircraft to start. Expect that you can fire 4 in a mission, unless stated otherwise by GM. Surrogates for MQM-170s will probably be unarmed wingloons or predators in-game, surrogates for MQM-107/167s when offered later will probably be some trainer jet clearly marked as "unmanned"] [Also OOC: These can help soak up some SAMs or cause SAMs to emit/engage without AI aircraft being downed.]  These launchers can be towed by a basic pickup truck, and the drones can be assembled on site.
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 Colonel Tomas "Shan" Rivera Fuerza Aérea Ecuatoriana Vice Commander of the CACC AIR TASKING: Learjet 35A - Relocation 2nd Reconnaissance Squadron (Learjet 35A) is to rebase from Paraná Military Air Base (General Justo José de Urquiza Airport) to O'Higgins Airbase for future operations. AIR TASKING: Embraer R-99 - ISR Depart O'Higgins AFB, Fly South to WP1 Cerro Ladrillero -53.029694,-72.495244 Turn North-East to WP2 COLO -52.401323°,-71.187308° Turn East to WP3 Ocean -52.150858°,-68.424753° Finally depart the AO North-West-North and return to O'Higgins AFB Primary mission goals NAI WEST (Purple): 1. Search for evidence of troop movement or preparations, in particular marine transport. 2. Gather data on current state of hostile forces in the area of interest. NAI EAST (ORANGE) 1. Search for evidence of troop movement or preparations, in particular marine transport. 2. Gather data on current state of hostile forces in the area of interest. Primary mission goals Determine the sources of PLA advances, in particular across water bodies. Update state of PLA forces on the frontline. Detect marine activity (Shipping, Navy) in waterbodies along path  -Col. Tomas Rivera, FAE, T.C. CACC
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  Supremo Comandante SCAD General del Aire Carlos - FAP Alright camaradas, we all had a hell of a night defending against PLAAF's alpha strike. Time for us to hurt them some more now. We'll keep focusing on AO BOLT. Reduce their combat effectiveness in this area as much as possible. Our aircraft must maintain CAP and strike supply and artillery units when possible. I also authorize a tactical retreat to stretch their supply lines if necessary. mlmp08 posted:USSOUTHCOM is able to provide 4x launchers and MQM-170-derived airframes to serve as decoys in support of SEAD/DEAD. This is part of a standup program for the US to provide decoys for itself and especially partner nations in order to assist with SEAD and penetration for missile attacks in a more cost-effective and rapidly manufactured manner. We gladly accept the drones. I believe an Argentine C-130 can bring them to Natales to assist us on AO BOLT.  Arriba, siempre arriba
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wedgekree posted:Speaking as an observer, and I know this is a very, very broad question given circumstances, but about how well do folks think the campaign is going? As far as damage inflicted, state of your own aerial assets/ground forces, and what the PLA is expected to be able to put into things to keep up their own tempo of operations? Ford pilot here; I fly A-4E's from the carriers on what have mostly been naval strike missions. I think that we (the naval air arm) have been largely doing pretty good! We come away from most missions with few if any losses, pilots often recovered, and usually with mission success. Often, we achieve a bonus objective as well. That said, we're also not fighting large or substantial threats. Typically we hit a few under-escorted ships, or a lone warship caught with it's pants down. These are wins, sure, but I'm worried we're not making a big dent in the overall war. What's a handful of sunk Type 054's when PLAN can churn them out? The ground war I fear is going poorly. Venom and Panther are trying their damndest but I worry they are fighting a war they don't have the resources to win. PLAN forces are well entrenched and have good SAM coverage and lots of jets. Our boys in the Air Force have downed a ton of enemy air, but can we survive the battle of attrition? Every loss the Vipe teams take is a huge blow to our capabilities without a good chance of replacement, while I worry that lost PLAN fighters can (like their ships) be replaced relatively quickly. I think I worry that we are just spread too thin to really be effective. I think we need better SEAD/DEAD to allow the Air Forces to actually get in there and do poo poo without having to play so much defense all the time. We've had a few good spec-ops wins. The Goose Green OP was a pretty big success, I think. Similarly, the radar site op was also a success. Yes, we did have to eventually blow the site, but not before we put a big dent in PLAN forces trying to hold and then retake it. Africa was an unmitigated fiasco and a lot of competent operators were lost. I'm not convinced that a second attempt will be successful. Overall, I worry that we're trending toward losing. Fleet Air victories are nice but they are pretty small and contained objectives and I'm worried they aren't moving the needle much. I think we need to seriously degrade PLAN ground forces but we're in a bind there because we have very limited ability to use the kind of equipment needed (SEAD/DEAD) to make the operations possible. We also have a lack of the kind of PGMs you can use to reduce the risk of these attacks to our own pilots by standing off. The one caveat I have here is that a number of ops by Fleet Air, CSAD Air Force, and Naval Forces have destroyed several large transports. Air Force in particular had a real nice mission a few weeks ago where they took out several container ships that were coming to unload; and our subs have been hunting as well. It's possible that in a few weeks we'll see the result of this supply degradation hitting the enemy and things will swing around. I've been wanting an update on the State of The War outside of South America, but so far have not seen anything from the GM. I'd like to know what it is looking like in Europe and Asia. I feel like this is important information because I'm not sure South America is a critical objective for PLAN; if they are taking it in the chin elsewhere they might not see SA as worth the continued investment. JerikTelorian fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Nov 28, 2023 |
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If China is putting up their MiG-21 derived jets, its prob fair to say they are heavily attrited as well.
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What does winning look like for us? Pushing the PLA back into the sea? Degrading them to a standstill and set-up of a DMZ? Our propaganda arm talks a big game but what's realistic? If they focused on our front they could roll up South America with impunity if they wanted to.
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I think of it like Gallipoli. You open a new front not thinking it'll be the knockout punch, but one piece of a larger strategy. China has devoted resources to maybe not win in South America, but to prevent the South American forces from being used in another area. Just the threat of Chinese forces advancing north is enough to keep the front rolling. Sure, ideally they drive to the Panama Canal, but realistically that's doubtful, instead they will keep everything tied up with just enough superiority to present a credible threat. If they wanted to knock Argentina and Chile out of the war they'd have done it already. Seeing that they haven't brings me back to the Gallipoli idea. A win state for BLUFOR might be just tying up Chinese assets and forcing them to divert more assets. Any J-11 or Type 054 in theater is one that's not attacking the US Navy or Royal Air Force somewhere else. As to how I think it's going, not as good as I'd like but better than could be. Yes the ARMA adventure in South Africa kind of sucked, but it was a big op with limited resources. The Navy has punched above it's weight and I'm very happy with how the ScooterCrew is doing. Hopefully we can knock out some launchers and give us a bit more freedom to move mud and knock out some critical Chinese supply points or something. In the future I'll be playing it safe, sticking to existing targets, and preserving the air frames. F-16's are the highest threat aircraft to the PLA and need to remain alive. If my flights mission is to strike a few launchers, then that's it. If it's not inside my pre-planned target zone then there is a failure of intel that jeopardizes my flight, wingmates, and mission. Diverting away from a strike and taking on another task burns up fuel, creates chaos for the flight, and usually isn't successful. If we need to be prepared as pilots and commanders to RTB then some missions will just have to wait till tomorrow.
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China's carrier being damaged and forced to withdraw would be a pretty good outcome as well. They don't have many.
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Dandywalken posted:China's carrier being damaged and forced to withdraw would be a pretty good outcome as well. They don't have many. It was briefed earlier, and is in the intel docs in Miro, but worth pointing out that: Enemy carrier CV-16, the Liaoning, in this universe is one of five of her class, so sending it isn't China sending it's only carrier. And China is building two supercarriers in addition to it. I know it was probably lost in the chaff, so this should help conceptualize the weight of their decision. One of the sister ships of Lianoning was heavily damaged in combat against Australian Navy near Japan. (Also I promise we are working on intel and news update that details rest of the world, ETA soon (tm))
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Elendil004 posted:What does winning look like for us? Pushing the PLA back into the sea? Degrading them to a standstill and set-up of a DMZ? Our propaganda arm talks a big game but what's realistic? If they focused on our front they could roll up South America with impunity if they wanted to. On the other hand, to play devil's advocate, what if we don't focus on winning the war? Especially if victory looks unlikely. What if we focused on things at an operational level instead? Things that we can handle? How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. Consider this AO.  This is the only place our ground forces are in direct conflict with the PLA. And this is where most of our ground forces are. An operation to push the PLA off of our side of the Tierra del Fuego is totally possible. While this doesn't win the war, it would do wonders for morale if successful. Also, what else is China up to in the world? Is South America their sole focus or do more PLA in SA mean less PLA on another front somewhere else in the world?
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Elendil004 posted:What does winning look like for us? Pushing the PLA back into the sea? Degrading them to a standstill and set-up of a DMZ? Our propaganda arm talks a big game but what's realistic? If they focused on our front they could roll up South America with impunity if they wanted to. Winning for us means, to me, to deny China a permanent presence in South America. My reasoning is the following: in the world of the Long Afternoon, North America (I'm lumping them together here) remains an island of relative stability and peace, just like it did during WW2. There are entire oceans seperating it from any real threat. Even beyond these oceans lie friendly buffer states in most cases. Its Middle And South American Neighbours are either aligned in trade or other political agreements, or they play no significant role at all. As a result, North America as a whole can generate massive industrial outputs, feed them into arms, and project power all over the world to other places, completely unmolested at home. If China manages to establish a permanent foothold in South America, that advantage is at peril: North America's backyard suddenly become hostile. This might effect a pullback of troops and resources from other theaters, greatly relieving pressure of China. In the Chinese view, North America hasn't faced a credible external threat since more than 200 years. That isolated geopolitical position and guaranteed peace at home is the fundament of North America's war machine. In all conflicts that involved North America(n countries) since the emergence of its modern states, participation was entirely at will. If these conflicts became too hot, NA could withdraw at any time, without risking anything at home. Thereefore, China believes that war is mostly business for North America, nothing more. It reasons that the citizens and political interests of North America will not tolerate to be threatened or exposed to actual harm at home. Thus, if China can park an army in South America or flip a country or two, North America would suddenly no longer be isolated from the conflicts it is participating in. Citizens and political interests alike would not tolerate stationing troops in other theaters of war and demand all efforts be directed at securing the borders and trade routes at home. Thus, sending one carrier fleet to some largely uninhabitated landscapes in Argentina and Chilen may mean that four or five Western carrier fleets and hundreds of thousands of troops are withdrawn from other theaters. The goal of the defending forces must therefore be to not allow the PLA to establish a permanent foothold in South America. Under no circumstances must anyone get any ideas that South America isn't safe anymore, because otherwise a substantial source of the entire industrialized West's manufacturing and power base threatens to fall apart. Lord Stimperor fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Nov 28, 2023 |
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 Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio South American Combined Armada Situation Update (24 FEB 10) The combat situation remains in flux. We've been dealing heavy casualties, but the waves of Chinese reinforcements appear unceasing. However, with reports that elite PLAN alpine marine air defense troops have been diverted to defend the Magellan Strait, it is clear that our collective efforts to interdict their supply lines are beginning to have an effect. This success in mind, naval aviation support has been requested for use in SCAD Air Force operations. With an eye towards inter-service collegiality we are turning our attention to that effect. Western Naval Orders (AO DART)  The ARA Veinticinco de Mayo and the Chilean fleet are ordered to enter the Golfo Xaultegua, secure the region, and commence planning for an AIR STRIKE operation against PLAN naval assets threatening AO BOLT. The gulf should provide our fleet with some degree of protection, and keep the PLA guessing as to where our fleet is located. Also, civilian radio intercepts indicate that a local salmon hatchery is operating a small market within the bay called "Australis Mar". Fleet quartermasters will be authorized to purchase fresh fish, meat, vegetables, alcohol, and other needed goods to add to our stores. In addition, in the interest of maintaining morale, sailors will be authorized a 12-hour "Swim Call" to enjoy the beautiful Patagonian waters and mountain scenery.  The naval aviators, however, will have work to do. The Argentine A-4 Skyhawks of Ford flight will be ordered to extend every courtesy in our support of the combined Air Force. Our target will be a PLAN naval group (W1) of a frigate and at least one corvette within Otway Sound (Seno Otway) believed to be escorting a group of three cargo ships. The PLA are using the bulk ship loader of the disused Pecket Coal Mine to board the 6th PLA Brigade. They may be attempting to take the troops through the Fitzroy Channel (Canal Fitzroy) to flank our ground forces or even attack Puerto Natales directly. Your mission will be to fly northeast, through the Andean mountains and along the shores of Skyring Sound (Seno Skyring). Use the cover of Mount Cónico (Cerro Cónico) to mask your approach - but it's at least a 35 km sprint over water to reach the target. Air Force C101 Aviojets (Gary 1) will be ordered to lead the attack on the FFG Type 054a with their Sea Eagle anti-ship missiles. Ford's role will be to conduct a follow-up attack - finishing off the escorts and attacking the cargo ships. Be aware that 6th BDE air defenses may still be active and defending the area. Deliver your weapons payload quickly and return to the ARA 25 de Mayo.  Eastern Naval Orders (AO STONE) The Argentinean fleet has successfully defended the withdrawal of our forces from Tierra del Fuego, and taken some hits recently in the defense of Rio Gallegos. The fleet cannot stand up to direct attack by the 1st PLAN Fleet, particularly if it is damaged. It is also important to keep the fleets on the move to avoid Chinese attacks as possible. The fleet is ordered to withdraw to Puerto Santa Cruz to engage in emergency refit activity as needed. The ARA San Juan submarine is ordered to maintain its patrol of the area, and hopefully catch any over-eager PLAN picket forces. The Minas Gerais and the Brazilian fleet have resolved their logistical shortages, though they have suffered a number of losses to their surface forces. They are ordered to sail northeast, in coordination with the Tupi, in order to threaten Isla Malvinas and pressure the 1st PLAN fleet. A constant combat air patrol is to be ordered, with an eye towards attacking any PLAAF maritime surveillance planes. If necessary, additional naval air support may offered by the recently refit Super Étendards that are based at Puerto San Julian.  «Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!« 
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 General of the Combined Armies, CSAD Orders for EA Army The IX and I Brigades of the EA are to hold the line until the air operation has ceased. We will have taskings for their tube artillery and the Astros battery to coincide with the air forces planned strike, and we will use our Fires assets to assist in their DEAD mission on the evening of the 26th. Once the BDE commanders receive word that the Air Force has completed their operations for the day, they are to continue their measured retreat. The IX Mechanized BDE is to slowly withdraw Northwards, towards their BSA. They will eventually cross the bridge at -52.4167627962609, -70.57514722750312, and take up positions on the other side of it. The 1 Armored BDE is to withdraw slowly down HWY 255 Eastwards after the air operation is complete, maintaining contact with the enemy and attempting to goad them further with skirmishing. The 11th Mechanized will move NE up HWY 255 and take up positions near San Gregorio, to both act as a reserve within half a day's travel for the 1st BDE and to act as a deterrent for a PLA cross-strait amphibious operation. The reconnaissance element will set up near Monte Dinero to watch the Easternmost tip of the mainland. Fire Mission The TAM VCA Self Propelled Artillery groups with the IX and 1 Brigades (analogous to M109 in game) and the Astros battery are to coordinate with an Aerial Forward Observer from the Air Force to contribute to the DEAD and counterbattery tasking from Supreme Command. The Astros and tube artillery are to receive coordinates for a fire mission from the AFO for the remaining Buks/HQ-7s and saturate the area with several volleys of fire. The Artillery Commander should check in with the AFO for a BDA after the initial fire mission, and continue firing until those SAM's are all fireworks and steel confetti. Then, the tube artillery is to coordinate with the AFO for any enemy artillery guns/vics and commence counterbattery fire on their positions until the end of the aerial operation. Ensure you're on the same radio channel [In SRS] as the Aerial Forward Observer and Strike ABM to deconflict with the airforce and ensure effective employment of our weapons. Do note that it takes approximately 4-4.5 minutes for rounds to land on target after a fire mission has been initialized, and remember the axiom "Aim Small, Miss Small" [for tube artillery, set 0-50M radii, and for the MLRS aim for 50-200M radii depending on how grouped up the hostile units are]. The Astros will move forward on the north side of HWY 255 until the PLA ADA units are just in range, and the Roland with it will place itself ~5 km south of the Astros battery at all times Orders for EC The Chilean battlegroup is to continue digging in with their engineering companies preparing fighting positions for the armor and infantry with their earth movers. No change in position or posture NASAMS Amalgamation The two NASAMS batteries have been seriously degraded during the last several operations. As a result, I am ordering what's left of these two batteries to combine into one, and take up position where the NASAMS at Rio Gallagos is located. Seamos libres, que lo demás no importa nada! General Humberto, EA 
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Negostrike posted:Supremo Comandante SCAD  Combined Air Combat Command - SCAD For this sortie, we will be shaping the battlespace in AO BOLT per the General's orders. Review the air tasking order below:  OBJECTIVES AO BOLT
RESPONSIBILITIES
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ABM CODEWORD PLAN Per https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4042524&pagenumber=20#post536229323
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Flight leads, please prepare your flight plans. Thank you, Comandante de escuadrilla Castillo  (This message will be updated as the overall plan evolves) concise fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Nov 29, 2023 |
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concise posted:
 Point COLO is above a large salt flat/lake and looks to be about the proper distance.
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Nov 29, 2023 13:21
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Uzi will also hold ivo COLO unless your target refines in a way that might push us to hold farther east, toward BULLS or ALMAGRO.
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concise posted:[*]ABM: Codeword plan for the following  Air Battle Manager - BUZZARD
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Yooper posted:
Note that COLO is roughly 16-17 NM from the nearest enemy ADA battalion and is just in range of the SA-11. Recommend you hold 10 NM north of this position to avoid straying into range while we're still sorting targets.
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Nov 29, 2023 18:50
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concise posted:Note that COLO is roughly 16-17 NM from the nearest enemy ADA battalion and is just in range of the SA-11. Recommend you hold 10 NM north of this position to avoid straying into range while we're still sorting targets. Can we get a NORTH-COLO point so we can use that? I'd hate to stray south of COLO on a lazy orbit and eat poo poo.
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Nov 29, 2023 19:50
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When I go COLO, I just anchor off the north end of the lake and do a north-south orbit with north end of lake lake as the southern turn point. Easy visual ref even if it’s not technically where COLO is on the kml.
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Nov 29, 2023 20:00
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Yooper posted:Can we get a NORTH-COLO point so we can use that? I'd hate to stray south of COLO on a lazy orbit and eat poo poo. The intent isn't to add endless number of points, rather do exactly that, but by saying: 10 NM NORTH OF COLO, that's a clear reference point, and easy to plop down in mission editor, and visualize for everyone. I'd type it as 10NCOLO, as opposed to 10SCOLO or whatever. Maybe 10N-COLO.
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Supremo Comandante SCAD General del Aire Carlos - FAP mlmp08 posted:Training Opportunity:[/b] We accept this invitation and the Brazilian Air Force is willing to send personnel to the US to get familiar with the Phantoms. The FAB is creating a new squadron based in Canoas, the 2nd Squadron/14th Group. They're going to name it the Bradador Squadron, named after some screaming ghost from their folklore.  FAB volunteers from all over the country will depart from SBGL on a chartered flight to MPTO then to Holloman AFB for training. So expect some of those big boys assisting us in the coming days. Arriba, siempre arriba
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So, how is plane/pilot availability holding up? Are there sufficient airframes left to cover missions and are folks getting conservative just to ensure this keeps up? Or is attrition heavy and trying to limit losses? Speaking as thread observer trying to keep track of the generla strategic picture!
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wedgekree posted:So, how is plane/pilot availability holding up? Current High Command Combat SLANT  FMC - Full Mission Capable NMC - Non Mission Capable DX - Destroyed concise fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Nov 30, 2023 |
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concise posted:Current High Command Combat SLANT Ha, drat, I'd better practise evading SA-11s then! 
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 Colt 1 Debrief Kills: 2x J-7 Losses: 2x myself Mission status: Failure What went well: Well, I got two kills... What went not so well: ...But it was a lot more expensive than it should have been. I put that down to night flying and general familiarity with the MiG-29. I haven't done much (any?) night flying and it was very disorienting, imposing extra stress and cognitive load on everything else. My first loss was a last second, panicked overcorrection that lead me to land too hard and skid off the runway. I think I would have managed in daylight. My second loss... may or may not have been avoidable. While engaging the 2 J-11s ABM definitely told me that there were no friendlies in front of me. I found them using the EO sensor while trying to get through their jamming but switched back to radar because I thought "IFF doesn't work in EO," despite what ABM had just told me. That might have saved me or at least gotten me an extra kill, might not have. I also didn't confirm the waypoint locations for the BARCAP I would have been engaged in pre-mission so I had essentially no idea where I was the entire time.  All that said, nothing about that mission felt impossible. It was stressful and challenging yes, but also fun! We could use more MiG-29 and Su-25 pilots and they're real easy to get started in. Look at me - I only barely know what I'm doing and I'm shooting down planes in the dark!
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Venom 1 I am going to recommend an approximately 10 mile race track situated at the purple line.  This will position us approximately 15-20 miles away from the main package, giving them plenty of of time to evac in a GUINEA PIG or ALPACA situation, but not so far off that we couldn't respond to situations in the battle zone. It should also allow us to effectively provide a barrier against aircraft flying from the east without flying within range of known ship positions. By keeping the race track itself less than ten miles, I can stagger my flight to maximize sensor coverage without incurring too much separation.
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Ford Mission TASMO/SUPPORT Excellent work last mission. Technically, no members of Ford flight were lost (except those of us that got lost) and several PLA air superiority fighters were downed by Skyhawks. Credit to our air battle managers for getting Big Soda into position for the kills. This time we're back to our bread and butter. Creating artificial reefs from Chinese vessels. The PLA appears to be getting ready to embark their forces on transport ships and command would like us to convince them not to. The fleet of haulers is defended on the water by a single Type 054 frigate. We know how to kill these without too much trouble and we will be helped by our friends in Gary flight who will fire a number of anti-ship missiles at the frigate to pave the way for Ford. The fleet is also defended by ground based air defense systems which we will have to contend with. The plan is simple. Fly to Mt. Conico and hide behind it until Pontiac has secured the air. Gary will then begin their attack and we will follow in behind their anti-ship missiles and sink whatever survives the barrage. Ingress Plan  Attack Plan  Loadout
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PANTHER 1 FLIGHT Overall Mission Requirements  LOADOUT - 2 X GBU-31, 2 X 370 GAL Tanks, Centerline ECM (1-1 and 1-3 with TGP) INTENT : Work with Venom to find, and destroy, BUK TELAR's around target point. (STPT #4). Both Panther 1-1 and 1-3 will have TGP's fitted and will visually scour the area for targets. Upon ingress we will hold at 10 Miles North of COLO and make sure we are formed up with VENOM. Once we roll in 1-1 and 1-3 will search for targets. Once you have a TELAR share it (IFF IN LONG) and tell your wingman to JDAM it. If we are fired upon go ALPACA (Return to HOLD) and let Venom HARM the SA-11. Then we return to tasking. Airframe preservation is key here. We don't need to loiter over the SA-11 sites to find them so we will have to work the gimbals a bit to use the TGP to our advantage. Once Wingmate have expended JDAM's they will ALPACA if you determine you lack the fuel to perform a CAP engagement. SECONDARY - IF, and only IF, you have plenty of fuel and remaining JDAM's, will you work on other areas near STPT 5,6,7,8. If you are approaching BINGO and have JDAM's remaining, find a target and kill it. Do not drop below 25,000 FT. RADAR - Ground radar may be an option to find clusters. I did some testing and it's a solid meh. But that meh coupled with the TGP, can allow 1-1 and 1-3 to move from blip to blip very quickly. A lone TELAR scattered amongst other lone vehicles will be a tougher nut to find. COMMS - Our Venom Member will be on our package comms (137.00). CONDOR: A2A ABM - 261.00 MHz BUZZARD: A2G ABM - 262.00 MHz GROUND COMMANDER - 263.00 MHz I'll stress the airframe preservation side of things. We will be slow and fat with big JDAM's hanging on us. If there is a big enemy CAP push then we will move North and chill until they gently caress off. I really want to come home with 4 jets intact. I will be doing some practice on Friday on TTI especially with the radar-TGP side of things. 
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PLA supply lines must be stretched to the limit already, would it make sense to focus on interdicting the sea lanes so that the invasion force withers on the vine? If so, given the very sparse population and industry of the region, would a defense in depth strategy where we "reluctantly" "lose" territory and they expend hard to replace munitions and fuel driving up Patagonia while we make sure we sink every drat transport boat possible leaving them only air-resupply be viable? Also, taking out the Liaoning is probably too big a task for the South American coalition alone, but managing to cripple her would make this whole affair not worth it for China. But is there a way to coordinate with some of the ~50 Los Angeles class attack boats or their equivalents on an op to sink her? What's the best guess at their combat effective strength and materiel reserves currently landed? Because if all they want is airfields and a base of operations in the western hemisphere, they've currently got it and pushing them out would mean contested water crossings into Tierra Del Fuego. It'd be tough without a bunch more artillery, airframes, and soldiers.
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