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poo poo pissing me off: my product owner got somehow promoted to my manager, and is micromanaging the hell out of me. As in like, constantly emailing me unprompted about metrics that I apparently have, that are too low. I've never had anyone voice these complaints and I'm flabbergasted, I've never experienced this poo poo before. Said manager also never actually speaks to me, and I pass their desk multiple times a day. The latest thing is that for my yearly review, I always got presented with ratings of my performance by my old manager, I would get some tips on how to improve, and a small raise. For my next review, I'm supposed to write a self-evaluation, and set "SMART" goals, submit it for approval to them (and change it based on their feedback), then present it at my yearly review, making notes. I feel like I'm being treated like a child. I just want to write code and fix bugs. 
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SMART goals are obnoxious but easy enough to bullshit
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Nov 25, 2023 08:54
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frogbs posted:It’s the latter, PDFs built in a program called Livecycle can contain executable JavaScript. This one happens to have an insane amount of it! For once the world had finally settled on a filetype to share static documents while keeping its formatting across multiple platforms and of course we screw it up.
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Nov 25, 2023 12:20
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Finally, XPS gets its time to shine
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Nov 25, 2023 12:22
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Sywert of Thieves posted:poo poo pissing me off: my product owner got somehow promoted to my manager, and is micromanaging the hell out of me. As in like, constantly emailing me unprompted about metrics that I apparently have, that are too low. I've never had anyone voice these complaints and I'm flabbergasted, I've never experienced this poo poo before. Said manager also never actually speaks to me, and I pass their desk multiple times a day. My employer changed to this structure (self-evaluation etc) eight years ago. Your employer is behind the curve! I agree it sucks, and it seems mostly intended to enable managers to be less involved and present, yet still present the theater of a constructive dialogue about your performance. Hippie Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Nov 25, 2023 |
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Nov 25, 2023 16:21
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Sywert of Thieves posted:The latest thing is that for my yearly review, I always got presented with ratings of my performance by my old manager, I would get some tips on how to improve, and a small raise. For my next review, I'm supposed to write a self-evaluation, and set "SMART" goals, submit it for approval to them (and change it based on their feedback), then present it at my yearly review, making notes. I feel like I'm being treated like a child. Don't do your boss's work for them. Ever.
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Nov 25, 2023 18:38
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Arquinsiel posted:"Sorry, I didn't realise that I got the promotion to management". while I agree with the sentiment, SMART goals and self-evaluations are fairly common practice
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Nov 25, 2023 18:46
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:
this is mostly right, but the reality is that lower tiers of management are squeezed almost as badly as the ic's they're expected to manage larger teams with less budget, less time, and no training
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Nov 25, 2023 18:55
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did not expect to be posting manager apologia this morning solidarity with all wage earners
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Nov 25, 2023 18:57
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The Fool posted:while I agree with the sentiment, SMART goals and self-evaluations are fairly common practice
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Nov 25, 2023 21:18
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Goal setting should take the form of stuff you want the company to support you with, e.g. things like achieve X certification which will need HR to send you on a course and buy the exam vouchers. Don't make a rod for your own back by turning them into KPIs that you are wholly responsible for.
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Nov 25, 2023 21:23
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SMART goals are pretty great if the org actually stands by them. In the first quarter of the year, the people that report to me and I agree on specific things they should accomplish over the year. I remind them of the goals periodically, and if I'm replaced, the goals are still there. At the end of the year I have a good case to reward them because, in theory, the goals we agreed on can be accomplished. Any system that can reform the goals with a change of management is hosed though, it's just an ephemeral moving target.
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Nov 26, 2023 07:29
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I want to murder that person. --edit: Also, some IT dude at work wanted to do a meeting for me to define some "epics" for the project I'm coding. I looked it up later that day. 
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Nov 26, 2023 13:04
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No jury would convict
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Nov 26, 2023 13:05
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That's just what they're called in scrum/jira. It's a dumb name but he didn't come up with it.
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Nov 26, 2023 13:31
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The Fool posted:while I agree with the sentiment, SMART goals and self-evaluations are fairly common practice I’d honestly prefer self-evaluation and setting my own goals over being evaluated according to a constantly changing and arbitrary set of KPIs and having goals set for me that end up conveniently forgotten by the next review.
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Nov 26, 2023 23:45
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Silly Newbie posted:SMART goals are pretty great if the org actually stands by them. In the first quarter of the year, the people that report to me and I agree on specific things they should accomplish over the year. I remind them of the goals periodically, and if I'm replaced, the goals are still there. At the end of the year I have a good case to reward them because, in theory, the goals we agreed on can be accomplished. Any system that can reform the goals with a change of management is hosed though, it's just an ephemeral moving target.
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Nov 26, 2023 23:57
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Bargearse posted:I’d honestly prefer self-evaluation and setting my own goals over being evaluated according to a constantly changing and arbitrary set of KPIs and having goals set for me that end up conveniently forgotten by the next review. What's that saying again? As soon as a KPI becomes a target, it's meaningless? 
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Nov 27, 2023 10:11
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Reoxygenation posted:Had to sit my rear end through a meeting where people said 'uhh' every 3 seconds for 45. loving. minutes. Want to know who ISNT a voice actor? Want to know who has really lovely presence and projection when having to deliver content from a script into a chime session? When I saw the transcript of my first attempt at recording a 20 minute video for broadcast internally, the amount of filler words in the document made me cry. when I can speak on a topic naturally, I can kill it. But nope. I’m not allowed to. I use too many colloquialisms in my common speech for a global video.
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Nov 28, 2023 02:28
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Yeah I bitched and in hindsight, probably they were a bunch of people not used to giving speeches. The meeting was still garbage and I did raise it, and while my boss did thank me for speaking up he was a bit bewildered cause I'm the only one who said he could not follow along. Probably one of those "me issues" instances. It be like that sometimes.
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Nov 28, 2023 02:33
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Haven't gotten a raise or CoL increase in 3 years. Management was spinning that they were working on getting me a promotion so to just hang in there. Well, I got my promotion - and a measly 5% raise with it. Gee, thanks. 
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Nov 28, 2023 17:53
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Yeah but you're part of a family united in a common goal to make the ceo as rich as possible so that's worth infinite dollars.
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Nov 28, 2023 18:01
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The Fool posted:SMART goals are obnoxious but easy enough to bullshit I have this personality quirk where I absolutely cannot bullshit things like that. It takes forever because the entire thing is such a stupid waste of time for a job where I work on dev tickets I'm assigned. My one and only goal is to complete tickets. What the gently caress else goal could I have? So everything I come up with sounds jokey and/or passive aggressive. Now I'm at a job that just doesn't do performance reviews. It's great.
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Nov 28, 2023 23:46
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KillHour posted:Haven't gotten a raise or CoL increase in 3 years. Management was spinning that they were working on getting me a promotion so to just hang in there. Well, I got my promotion - and a measly 5% raise with it. Gee, thanks. Now you can parlay the new title into a better job elsewhere!
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Nov 29, 2023 01:04
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Weatherman posted:Now you can parlay the new title into a better job elsewhere! I don't think "Senior Principal Bullshit Specialist" is going to get me more figgies than "Principal Bullshit Specialist" did but I can at least update my LinkedIn.
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I actually yelled at my boss's boss about it and he literally made the argument that it's unreasonable to expect my salary to keep up with inflation. He didn't insinuate that, he outright said it. I even stated that conclusion back to him, asking him if he really means that I should make less money with more experience. Then I spent the rest of the meeting ranting at him about how loving stupid that was. At one point I just straight up told him that this whole thing was insulting and he won't be retaining me if it doesn't change. Then I went and took a nap.
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Nov 29, 2023 01:51
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The obvious point there is that it's therefore unreasonable to expect staff retention, but that undermines your sense of victory when you bail.
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Nov 29, 2023 02:12
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Arquinsiel posted:The obvious point there is that it's therefore unreasonable to expect staff retention, but that undermines your sense of victory when you bail. I asked if he expected to retain everyone next year and he said "I certainly hope so" and I just laughed and said "I guarantee you won't"
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KillHour posted:I actually yelled at my boss's boss about it and he literally made the argument that it's unreasonable to expect my salary to keep up with inflation. He didn't insinuate that, he outright said it. TBF, he’s not wrong on that point. This poo poo that pisses you off today is the same poo poo that is pissing off every employed person across the US and EU, at least. It’s kind of built into the term inflation. Example: The annual inflation in Sweden has came up to ~10 % in May. The collective bargaining agreement for industry workers landed at a 4.1% average raise. Even the unions don’t want to go back to what the inflation was like in the 80’s, when salaries were routinely raised higher than inflation. That led to a runaway inflation when the prices of everything had to be raised in order to pay for the increased salary expenses. Of course, employees who are promoted should expect a higher nominal raise than non-promoted employees, and that’s what you should probably be comparing with. Whether that translates into a real raise or not depends on how highly they value you, of course. Your point about retention is correct, as long as unemployment doesn’t rise. Look for a new job if you want higher pay. You have the luxury of being picky about salaries when interviewing.
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Counterpoint: people getting less money for the same work year after year is bad, and that is exactly what happens when you get a 4% raise at 10% inflation: you are getting poorer. It directly leads to working people needing food banks to survive, let alone being able to afford decent housing, education, and healthcare. Not to mention the ability to start a family.
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I’m not saying lowered real income doesn’t lead to bad poo poo, I’m saying you should not, under the current system of economics, expect a raise in real terms as long as there is appreciable inflation. That system sucks rear end, but yelling at your manager is not going to solve poo poo. If you quit your job and find a better paying one, at least you, individually, can come out on top.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:I have this personality quirk where I absolutely cannot bullshit things like that. It takes forever because the entire thing is such a stupid waste of time for a job where I work on dev tickets I'm assigned. My one and only goal is to complete tickets. What the gently caress else goal could I have? So everything I come up with sounds jokey and/or passive aggressive. gently caress. I have the same personality problem. Are you guys hiring?
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Maybe I misunderstand how inflation is calculated it isn’t it going to be related to your pay? Like, if at the end of last year cost of living was calculated at $40,000, and at the end of this year $44,000 (for a 10% increase), and you made 100k last year, you would need around 5% raise to break even (4% to cover 4K and roughly 1% to cover the taxes on that 4K) I agree really need to offer more than 5% in this example if they expect to keep people around for the long haul but I also think it’s a little more complicated than 10% inflation requires 10% raise + retention increase.
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Raises would only lead to further inflation if wages was the thing driving the current inflation we see instead of the war in Ukraine, the pandemic, the global chip shortage &c.
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And literally record corporate profit margins that demonstrably aren't going back into the hands of the labor that generated the profit in the first place.
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Wizard of the Deep posted:And literally record corporate profit margins that demonstrably aren't going back into the hands of the labor that generated the profit in the first place. And we have a winner. Greedflation is very much a thing.
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:TBF, he’s not wrong on that point. This poo poo that pisses you off today is the same poo poo that is pissing off every employed person across the US and EU, at least. It’s kind of built into the term inflation. Nah. What, workers are just supposed to take it on the chin? They have no ability to raise prices for the goods/services a company is selling. That's the owners/managements job. They have no ability to have the government implement policy that fights the real reason for the inflation. I'm sorry that the union you're referring to is getting taken for a ride. It's okay, many unions in the US do as well. If you buy the argument that labor should eat the cost of inflation, you're basically accepting the argument against minimum wage. You're accepting the argument that wages should be as low as possible, because we have a moral obligation to keep prices down. And then you go on to say "well, you as an individual can come out on top." By moving to a new job? Possibly to one without a union? No thank you.
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I'm not sure they were advocating for accepting the argument, it's just the cold hard truth of how the system is running. The economy as it stands now requires pushing employee wages downwards. The poorer we are, the better inflation looks and is why in the US they've been loving with interest rates so much, it's to make us peons poorer. It's a horrible rigged system that benefits the wealthy. The plebs are absolutely obligated to push against it, that's why unions are so important. Without the occasional uprising the ruling class will just keep stomping us down.
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It's important to remember there's only so much you can bleed from a worker before they are unable to provide any value. It is also likely that for many workers, the point of "gently caress it, if I'm going to die I'm going to take these leeches with me" is above the point of death/disablement/no longer able to produce value. I suspect the leeches have miscalculated how quickly we're approaching that second point for "enough" workers..
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Example: The annual inflation in Sweden has came up to ~10 % in May. The collective bargaining agreement for industry workers landed at a 4.1% average raise. Even the unions don’t want to go back to what the inflation was like in the 80’s, when salaries were routinely raised higher than inflation. That led to a runaway inflation when the prices of everything had to be raised in order to pay for the increased salary expenses. There are obviously specific products where skilled workers have to devote individual attention to each item for a significant part of the production process where it is definitely true, but most of those things fall firmly in the "luxury goods" category and are irrelevant to the kind of inflation the average person cares about. Sure if wage increases for the majority of workers substantially outpaced inflation for a significant amount of time eventually there would be an impact, but I don't think there's anywhere in the world that's even close to that situation and never can it even possibly apply to just keeping up.
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