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Yuiiut posted:Yup. extremely bullshit imo but spose not surprising Varkk posted:The banning of it was a cynical tough on drugs move by national. Which at the time was shown it would not slow down the trade in methamphetamine. It was so they could have a headline saying they were taking action on the P usage. It didn’t do anything but they got to pretend. psueodephedrine rules imo the small amount of people who can make more P pales in comparison to the economic benefits to society of allowing sick people to continue working plus much like smoking, methamphetamine is a personal responsibility issue
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I feel like if you're sick you should not go to work idk E: echinopsis posted:plus much like smoking, methamphetamine is a personal responsibility issue Lol wait this is trolling right
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echinopsis posted:4. Begin efforts to double renewable energy production, including a NPS on Renewable Electricity Generation. I think you are further to the right than the majority of the thread, and that is okay. There are a lot of poison pills in the policy you mentioned. I'm not going to break down each point, consider that even the arguably positive increased security is coming from a reduced budget. If a hospital cuts 6.5% at the same time as increasing spending on security, will there be better health outcomes?
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echinopsis posted:8. Start reducing public sector expenditure, including consultant and contractor expenditure. also, police should have greater powers to search everyone for firearms, specifically targeting gangs is a political message not a public safety measure and unnecessarily targets a section of society that is already on the fringes. the police literally this year just got expanded powers to search gangs and seize weapons, it is not a thing national needs to deliver. furthermore, belonging to a criminal group is already an aggravating factor for sentencing, all they are seeking to do is bypass the police's need to establish a gang is a criminal group to simply criminalise groups.
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yeah it’s mocking how people were defending the repealing of the anti smoking thing saying it was a personal responsibility thing Content to Hover posted:
I was married to an ICU nurse who often worked a late shift. her actual security and sense of feeling safe at work and leaving late at night was a very large factor in her decision making around the job etc we absolutely need to prioritise the actual health workers. the system falls apart utterly if we don’t make sure we have people who are happy and willing to work. the system is no good to anyone if people don’t feel safe at work
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echinopsis posted:4. Begin efforts to double renewable energy production, including a NPS on Renewable Electricity Generation. A real grab bag of policies there but most of those are bad. 4. That is ok so long as it isn’t just handouts for big corporations 8. This is just the standard right wing BS talking point that all public spending is bad. When in reality our public services have been starved of resources and placed under more strain for too long. 11. In the face of the climate crisis this is not we should be doing. 17. This does nothing but introduce uncertainty for some of our most vulnerable people. Last time they tried it it did nothing to help with employment based on official treasury data. 26. This ignores all the actual research on how to reduce the influence on gangs in society. Faces massive Bill of Rights issues. 27. Just opens things up for abuse of power by the Police and again massive issues with human rights 34. Fine on the surface but society would be better off tackling the issues which cause it in the first place. 37. Once again ignoring the experts in the field in favour of them dictating what they want. They are also pushing a rewrite of the curriculum which is already under way but they want to scrap all the work before it sees light of day and do it again. 38. Another pointless headline grab. Schools already ban cellphone use in classroom. This just takes any nuance and local decision making out of it.
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Ghostlight posted:you know #8 is a straight cut to the public sector because they won't be bringing those jobs back in and increasing the size of government maybe that’s ok?? like is the size of govt labour left the ideal amount? this is not a rhetorical question, there is actually an “ideal” amount of public sector spending and idk if the previous govt was actually at that ideal or over it quote:also, police should have greater powers to search everyone for firearms, specifically targeting gangs is a political message not a public safety measure and unnecessarily targets a section of society that is already on the fringes. the police literally this year just got expanded powers to search gangs and seize weapons, it is not a thing national needs to deliver. furthermore, belonging to a criminal group is already an aggravating factor for sentencing, all they are seeking to do is bypass the police's need to establish a gang is a criminal group to simply criminalise groups. tbh I didn’t know a lot of this, but I don’t really like gangs and I don’t think doing nothing about them is the best solution. maybe the proposal is a bad solution but no solution is worse and the public is generally fed up with the precious govt treating gangs with kid gloves and effectively supporting their existence
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the size of the government is already the slim size it is because multiple governments have repeatedly shrunk the size of it by shifting the cost of public services from the government to private industry contractors and organisational functions to public consultants for largely the same ideological reasoning: that private industry is more efficient than the state. shrinking public sector spending on consultants and contractors doesn't reduce the size of government because those jobs have already been moved out of government - it just reduces the quantity and quality of public services the government can afford to buy from the consultants and contractors it needs to provide them.
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echinopsis posted:but this is not the only factor If you think they are going to prioritise actual health workers, I have a bridge to sell you. Cuts will mean that the already overstretched system will break. Double and triple shifts will increase. People will die because of this. You've identified a problem that you can relate to, which is fine. I'm just suggesting you look at the larger context. Yes, our healthcare workers should feel safe. If they deliver on this, maybe one aspect of their safety will improve. I doubt their mental health will. National campaigned on tax cuts. If they were going to adequately fund the health sector and add practical security that might be meaningful. They are going to cut funding and stress the system, I would expect there to be an increase in violent incidents as a result.
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Holy poo poo echonpsis 3/4s of that poo poo you posted is so loving bad lol
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El Pollo Blanco posted:ACT get money from pharmaceutical companies, acts number 4 is a big pharma lobbyist, act hate pharmac, Seymour is now the minister responsible for pharmac (I think it's normally the health minister who's responsible for pharmac?) https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/03/act-calls-for-productivity-focus-for-pharmac/ This is basically what they have published. The plan is probably something similar to as follows, the outcome is a bit uncertain. 1) The various pharma funded lobby groups have been bashing on about the manufactured drama around Rachel Smalley and her OIA/privacy Act request. This is now focused on calling for the resignation of the CEO and board chair. 2) Seymour is now associate health minister (for Pharmac). While the minister cannot directly direct Pharmac in what to fund etc they are in control of the board. Seymour removes the board chair and appoints new, probably pharma lobbyist board members. 3) Board removes the CEO and Deputy, giving the reason of the manufactured Rachel Smalley drama, and replaces them with more 'pharma friendly' people. 4) New CEO makes changes at Pharmac, likely removal of the Māori directorate, other things to compromise it's decision making and implement their 'productivity focus.' 5) Small uplift in the pharmaceutical budget to fund a couple of nationals special cancer medicines, funded by the reinstatement of the $5 prescription fee. This is pointed at forever as 'look, making people pay more for Medicines means more can be funded.' The medsafe changes will enable some more diversity in what's available at the minor cost of patient safety. Pharmac continues to be underfunded and bad outcomes continue. The senior leadership is removed and replaced by people whose goal is essentially for it to fail. End goal is likely simultaneously Pharmac's decision making and negotiating power is compromised and new charges so patients have to pay much much increased surcharges e.g. $30-1000 per per script like Aus will be brought in. This is effectively taking money directly from people's pockets and handing it directly to the pharma industry and will ruin the popular appeal of Pharmac in the medium-long term which will allow it's dissolution or breaking up. Pharmac has also relatively recently taken over national procurement of medical devices which promises immense savings, med device expenditure dwarfs pharmaceutical funding and stopping this is the no.1 industry priority right now.
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Regarding tax brackets, the only people who I've ever seen notice about, nay even loudly complain about, are inevitably the quite well-off. Going on and on about how they're too low and disincentivizing them from working harder, etc. Poor people don't fret about where they sit in the brackets, they just pay it. Tying tax brackets to inflation isn't an evil move, it's just one that their demographic really really cares about.
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echinopsis posted:17. Introduce legislation to restore 90-day trial periods for all businesses. This means businesses can take on staff over a busy season (eg summer for hospo) and then go "sorry, you didn't pass your trial" when they're no longer needed
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how is bringing back the 90 day trial period good? in my experience it was 100% abused by lovely employers holding it over new hires as a cudgel and then firing them and hiring somebody else every 90 days regardless e: oh i missed quite a few posts there before posting this Deep Glove Bruno fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Nov 29, 2023 |
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Wafflecopper posted:This means businesses can take on staff over a busy season (eg summer for hospo) and then go "sorry, you didn't pass your trial" when they're no longer needed They could do that anyway. You can make people redundant, you just can't hire someone to replace them immediately. The 90 trial period is straight up bullshit
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echinopsis posted:maybe that’s ok?? like is the size of govt labour left the ideal amount? this is not a rhetorical question, there is actually an “ideal” amount of public sector spending and idk if the previous govt was actually at that ideal or over it The people that ask this question are, like the  curve believers, uniformly of the belief that the "ideal" amount is way off to the left of the graph from now. Without exception.Unrelated: Hey here's another way tenants are going to get hosed by National! So they are proposing or implementing (forget which) retroactive tax deductibility for mortgage interest for landlords. Or in other words: Rich landlors are getting a *upper lip curls* handout from the government! Now, how many of those landlords who raised rents "because the government has raised the cost of my mortgage!!11!!1!!!!1" going to pass the savings back through to the tenants in the form of a refund? crickets
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klen dool posted:Holy poo poo echonpsis 3/4s of that poo poo you posted is so loving bad lol  Varkk posted:A real grab bag of policies there but most of those are bad. there are a lot of good points here and I don’t necessarily disagree with much at all, but it’s also an extremely cynical point of view. only time will tell how these pan out. I certainly didn’t vote for these mother fuckers. not that I was happy with how labour was doing things and this will likely be worse, but I have to maintain some level of optimism that some things might be of benefit
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redleader posted:i'm sure "index tax brackets to inflation" is bad, but i don't know why. on the surface it doesn't seem immediately dumb Raising tax brackets means less government revenue, is the main problem. Bracket creep is pretty much the only way to increase govt tax take, although labour found a few others. Tax cuts also put upward pressure on inflation, which has a positive feedback effect if the brackets are indexed to inflation because the more inflation, the bigger the tax cuts people get each year. Short version though is that income tax and GST are poo poo when they are basically the only sources of govt revenue. We need to tax capital.
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echinopsis posted:
8. Would be better if it were reducing the need for consultant and contractor expenditure, for example by bringing the expertise in house, but they also want to slash in house jobs, so that's not going to happen. 11. Seems ok until you take into account that there's a huge transport infrastructure problem and escalating costs. Reducing a source of income for transport without a better replacement to fund it(hey, maybe the modified RUC will do that, but then, it works simply be switching one tax for a greater one) is just going to lead to Simeon having a whole lot more opportunities to take photos in front of potholes. Leaving aside the question of exactly how they plan to fund their big highway projects that they pulled out as election promises, but the reality is most of those probably won't even happen this decade even if they are feasible
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echinopsis posted:the economic benefits to society of allowing sick people to continue working 
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Sick people just work more poorly and slowly and do worse work and make poorer decisions and make more mistakes which someone else has to fix later and they get other people sick who proceed to do the same. It's just like "crunch" in software development, except there its tired people, but there is no economic benefit to making sick people work. A manager will merely think there is, consoling themselves by posing "well imagine how much further behind we'd be if we DIDN'T make sick people work" without realising they wouldn't be behind - they would be ahead. Because they are dumb cunts.
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people who can't work are worthless. we only spend money on schools so that kids can grow up to be workers retirees are the exception, not because they're not worthless (see prior point re: not working), but because they vote and they vote hard
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klen dool posted:Sick people just work more poorly and slowly and do worse work and make poorer decisions and make more mistakes which someone else has to fix later and they get other people sick who proceed to do the same up to this point i thought you were in favour. like sign me up for working sick boys!
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Slavvy posted:I feel like if you're sick you should not go to work idk This is the entire reason they’re unbanning it, by the way. Enjoy dickheads walking around sick as gently caress and delirious spreading their germs again everywhere. But you gotta make sure the slaves can still make you money!
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echinopsis posted:
We're cynical because we've seen the history of this stuff, it's all happened before, and they're doing the same things again. We don't need time to see how it pans out, we have history for that. You are not someone they want to benefit, they see you benefiting as a loss to them. They want to maximise their own gains, and they see that coming at your expense only.
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that was a joke but there is absolutely a reality where people don’t have the sick leave available to take sick leave. it’s not like pseudo makes it possible to do something that was impossible before, but it does make life easier in some of these situations and sometimes people are congested but are otherwise ok klen dool posted:Sick people just work more poorly and slowly and do worse work and make poorer decisions and make more mistakes which someone else has to fix later this is true.. but I also have people calling in sick because a patch of skin near their eye hurts lol. unlike other managers I don’t ask why someone is sick, imo it’s not my business, but weirdly people feel the need to tell me as if they need to justify it. maybe they need to justify it to the other duty managers. but some people call in sick for the most pathetic reasons lol. never encountered it before this job but I suspect because there are more people at this job they just think someone else will deal with it a lot of people at my workplace have an awful sense of general responsibility, especially people who grew up in other cultures. the break room is a total mess and rubbish is overflowing in the bin but most people will do nothing about it at all. oh well
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Oh I forgot also the gang poo poo is mostly virtue signalling, it's not actually going to reduce gang violence or harm. Banning gang patches won't do poo poo because they can't stop people from wearing like, red scarves or yellow hoodies or whatever. The police already have the power to harass gang members about their guns, and it's already an aggravating factor in sentencing. The asset seizure poo poo just means that a bunch of families in South Auckland are going to have all their stuff stolen by police because their uncle or cousin or whatever is in a gang and lives with them sometimes. voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Nov 29, 2023 |
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echinopsis posted:a lot of people at my workplace have an awful sense of general responsibility, especially people who grew up in other cultures. the break room is a total mess and rubbish is overflowing in the bin but most people will do nothing about it at all. oh well
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echinopsis posted:a lot of people at my workplace have an awful sense of general responsibility, especially people who grew up in other cultures. the break room is a total mess and rubbish is overflowing in the bin but most people will do nothing about it at all. oh well Weird, our dog just started barking up a storm for some reason
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The impeccable culture of the white new Zealand moderate male
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Weatherman posted:Weird, our dog just started barking up a storm for some reason it's just a phenomenon I've noticed. I've got theories but I'm not sure, maybe it's just a more normal thing in some cultures to only do work that is "yours"? not that it's someone elses jobs it's just kinda everyones. idk. it sucks watching someone put some rubbish in the bin that makes the bin liner fall in, and then they just do nothing about it, leaving it for someone else to do. in the grand scheme of things it's not a huge deal, but on a day to day it just sucks that so many people are just content for someone else to do the cleanup and idk what's the alternative, just think this situation is fine, and say it's pure correlation echinopsis fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Nov 29, 2023 |
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echinopsis posted:it's just a phenomenon I've noticed. I've got theories but I'm not sure, maybe it's just a more normal thing in some cultures to only do work that is "yours"? not that it's someone elses jobs it's just kinda everyones. idk. it sucks watching someone put some rubbish in the bin that makes the bin liner fall in, and then they just do nothing about it, leaving it for someone else to do. in the grand scheme of things it's not a huge deal, but on a day to day it just sucks that so many people are just content for someone else to do the cleanup Stop generalising about entire cultures from your experience with like 10 people in your workplace. Please reflect on your lovely racism, learn and grow.
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I see the exact same poo poo you described from European New Zealanders so I don't know what the gently caress you think your point is.
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The Detail had a good piece on banning gang patches etc https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018913372/gang-crackdown-about-to-rev-up Essentially the example of Queensland being so successful, is because the gangs just moved to other states, and now the last states to ban anything are poo poo out of luck as the gangs have no where to go so they are stuck with them. Not to mention the examples of police harassing civilians for wearing anything slightly gang adjacent. As mentioned by others, its all just virtue signalling so they can give themselves a big tick and say job done without actually tackling any of the issues that lead people to join gangs.
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echinopsis posted:tbh I didn’t know a lot of this, but I don’t really like gangs and I don’t think doing nothing about them is the best solution. maybe the proposal is a bad solution but no solution is worse and the public is generally fed up with the precious govt treating gangs with kid gloves and effectively supporting their existence I don't grant your premise that the previous govt was "doing nothing" and "treating them with kid gloves". Do you get your news exclsively from Mike Hosking or something? Other points have been covered well, I can't be bothered with my 90 trial rant right now, but indexing tax brackets to inflation is good only if you think inflation is the single input that goes in to setting tax brackets, and is mainly there for people wo don't understand how tax works. That's not to say I don't think the system needs reviewing and tweaking more regularly than it has been, but yeah.
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