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Viper is Venomancer's more successful but also more boring sibling.
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Nov 29, 2023 14:23
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Viper/veno is an amazing lane duo for making your opponents absolutely hate Dota and life in general (before they end up winning because they 100% scale better than you).
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Nov 29, 2023 14:39
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Viper, Veno, AA, Necro, Pudge. Goooo team rot!
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Nov 29, 2023 14:47
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Viper, Veno, AA, Necro, Pudge. Goooo team rot! a team that either wins by minute 25, or gets crushed, very thematically appropriate
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Nov 29, 2023 14:52
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Veno still has utility later because free wards are useful for pushing and defending. Late game viper just does nothing despite being 11-1 after the first 20 min
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Nov 29, 2023 14:57
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Viper actually has a crazy amount of item flexibility because his base kit is so strong. Orchid is incredible. Dagon is honestly good. Obviously BoTs are good. I think building treads into drums + another windlace is quite strong — the timings work out so that you actually get a few minutes of honest brawling before lanes dissolve, and treads+drums kinda obliterates that style of gameplay.
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Nov 29, 2023 14:59
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Plank Walker posted:Veno still has utility later because free wards are useful for pushing and defending. Late game viper just does nothing despite being 11-1 after the first 20 min I've ruined so many enemy Earthshakers & Magnuses thanks to my wards loving up their blink daggers. <3 Veno.
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Nov 29, 2023 14:59
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I absolutely never know what items to build on veno but I remember once picking up a timeless relic 3 seconds before a bloodseeker ruptured me, killed my rear end and then went pretty much full to zero and died back in base from the https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dota2_gamepedia/images/0/07/Vo_venomancer_venm_level_01.mp3
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Nov 29, 2023 15:30
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Dota2ProTracker is an amazing resource to research builds in the current meta. It's so dumb that Midas is viable for even Pos 5 players.
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Nov 29, 2023 15:37
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Urn, Boots, finish the Vessel, then whatever your team needs. Sometimes that's a Medallion, or a Force Staff, or your Aghs Scepter, or a Halberd or literally any other utility item. He's really flexible, the only wrong choices are basically right click items  I loving love using Latent Toxicity vs Juggernauts.
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Nov 29, 2023 15:37
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JollyBoyJohn posted:I absolutely never know what items to build on veno but I remember once picking up a timeless relic 3 seconds before a bloodseeker ruptured me, killed my rear end and then went pretty much full to zero and died back in base from the I go mana boots, solar crest, force staff almost every game. If we really need vessel I just go brown boots then urn->vessel, but I prefer if someone else gets it. Once I got force staff I get boots of bearing which seem pretty strong, solar crest + drums active is like a free moon shard on your carry.
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Nov 29, 2023 17:12
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Why do you prefer someone else to get it? The Ring of Protection and Circlet are great in lane as his auto attack range sucks, helps tank up a bit. DOT obviously synergizes with Poison Sting. Add a Blood Grenade throughout the lane stage and you can score so many extra kills where the target would've otherwise just walked away. It does suck spending 1200g on a Recipe though.
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Nov 29, 2023 17:20
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Mostly just greed tbh, but I feel like Veno doesn't really get charges that well compared to a lot of other heroes. He's not sacrificial anymore but I play way from the backlines if possible and GTFO if it goes bad. So the games I get it either I'm sitting on 1 charge all game because I only earn one when I die or I've got too many because we're rolling on them anyway, and in that case, I like solar crest anyway for tower/objective push like being a mini-ogre
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Nov 29, 2023 19:00
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I keep wanting to try Abba P5, but every time I pick him, the two cores both go safelane, and I'm stuck laning with a support that assumes I want carry and we battle over avoiding last hits.
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Nov 29, 2023 19:46
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Yea, I play him as a much more guerilla warefare kinda pop out from the trees, spit on someone, return to the trees since Poison Nova was replaced with Noxious Plague. I dunno though, I feel like you can absolutely get some in lane and then ideally roaming and ganking with how good Gale + Urn is if the lane you're going to has any kind of stun. I like to close in on them and get more kills and more charges. But yea I definitely have some games where I'll just get zoned and out harassed and then not in range to get charges if we get a kill at all. Made me want to sneak a quick game in over lunch and some jerkhole just banned Venomancer 
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Nov 29, 2023 19:49
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Sab669 posted:Made me want to sneak a quick game in over lunch and some jerkhole just banned Venomancer It's possible nobody banned Veno in your game. Popular heroes are in an auto-ban pool to keep the overall hero pool in check.
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Nov 29, 2023 19:59
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Nfcknblvbl posted:I feel the same boring type of hero is Dragon Knight. I think DK and Viper are the types of hero that win their lanes to set up for early tower pushes. Kind of a gamble IMO. I pick both of these heroes for the same reason, and it's that I am a bad mid player who has been forced into the role and I know with either one of them I can at least scrape by. I'll also pick Huskar if their draft lets me. Geight fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Nov 29, 2023 |
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Nov 29, 2023 20:10
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Geight posted:I pick both of these heroes for the same reason, and it's that I am a bad mid player who has been forced into the role and I know with either one of them will at least let me scrape by. Play a support that does well with farm as a mid instead. Dazzle, Witch Doctor, Bane, Bounty Hunter, it's endless. A buffed up support really snowballs a game.
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Nov 29, 2023 20:12
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Play a support that does well with farm as a mid instead. Dazzle, Witch Doctor, Bane, Bounty Hunter, it's endless. A buffed up support really snowballs a game. I used to love doing this but these days I just get blown up by actual good mids (both hero and player-wise), I'm just not competent enough to pull it off.
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Nov 29, 2023 20:19
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Sniper and Zeus are my, "I have to mid?" picks
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Nov 29, 2023 20:21
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Nobody posted this yet (the 0 minute strat to kill the entire enemy if they don't leave their fountain quick enough), so hopefully it's new to you guys. I thought it was really silly in only a way that Dota can be sometimes: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/186lat6/shadow_demonnatures_prophetdazzle_ultra_kill_5/
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Nov 29, 2023 20:29
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Superrodan posted:Nobody posted this yet (the 0 minute strat to kill the entire enemy if they don't leave their fountain quick enough), so hopefully it's new to you guys. I thought it was really silly in only a way that Dota can be sometimes: Do people start with the anti-fountain camping immunity at the beginning of the game? If not, they'll probably put it in to avoid this sort of thing.
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Nov 29, 2023 21:59
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OGS-Remix posted:Do people start with the anti-fountain camping immunity at the beginning of the game? If not, they'll probably put it in to avoid this sort of thing. Not yet! Valve should definitely add it though.
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Nov 29, 2023 22:01
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Abaddon support is absolutely busted and hilarious. Not in lane though, but eventually since everybody gets to have gold in dota you will get your force staff + aghanims and then nobody on your team dies anymore. Enemy teams trying to force high ground vs aghs borrowed time is a guaranteed throw even if you're losing bad.
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Nov 30, 2023 01:16
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Dr. Capco posted:Abaddon support is absolutely busted and hilarious. Not in lane though, but eventually since everybody gets to have gold in dota you will get your force staff + aghanims and then nobody on your team dies anymore. Enemy teams trying to force high ground vs aghs borrowed time is a guaranteed throw even if you're losing bad. I was in a game with an aghs refresher Aba once and we were just completely unkillable. Being able to pound on the enemy team for 15 seconds at a time with no consequences is absolutely wild.
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Nov 30, 2023 02:50
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Sab669 posted:Sniper and Zeus are my, "I have to mid?" picks I like Primal Beast for this. tanky, good starting stats, and good at roaming so you don't have to lane if you don't want to
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Nov 30, 2023 03:12
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Abandon’s kind of easy to counter - just like Ursa. Simply spam eul’s on ‘em until their ult’s down.
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Nov 30, 2023 07:10
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unless ursa gets aghs and has massive status resistance while enraged
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Nov 30, 2023 07:26
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Euls cyclone ignores status resistance so its easier to combo stuff
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Nov 30, 2023 08:45
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Euls will work on an enraged ursa for the full duration, but if ursa activates enrage *after* being cycloned it will end prematurely
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Nov 30, 2023 08:55
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goku i won't do what u tell me
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I play in 3k where people rarely itemize to counter supports though so aba remains busted.
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Nov 30, 2023 17:07
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Couldn't resist clipping my friend with only 120 hours getting his first rampage  https://m.twitch.tv/macariuswrench/clip/FilthyCleanAntelopeKappaWealth-THwpdCCmS0lhNJbi
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Dec 1, 2023 12:56
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Not yet! Valve should definitely add it though. they should remove fountain invincibility entirely
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Dec 1, 2023 13:10
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Sounds awful
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Dec 1, 2023 13:33
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They should let us kill the fountain again
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Dec 1, 2023 15:13
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So when the versus screen says your teammate won <x> in a row as their super off-meta core, does that count turbo or bot matches or what? Because a very large proportion of these games end about like you'd expect and not like someone that's been having success with a weird pick.
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Dec 2, 2023 09:37
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TOOT BOOT posted:So when the versus screen says your teammate won <x> in a row as their super off-meta core, does that count turbo or bot matches or what? Because a very large proportion of these games end about like you'd expect and not like someone that's been having success with a weird pick. i find the start screen is often wrong or outdated information
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Dec 2, 2023 11:25
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I don't think anyone mentioned VIPER is useful for breaking opponents and turning off their passives, I can see him being picked against bristle, husk, etc and have utility even after the bkbs come out. If I'm mid, I like to grab atos first and right click people down. Agree that he's basically dragon knight, tanky and kind of plodding. His scepter also disarms now, which doesn't feel strong enough and I never get it, but if you've got gold to burn might as well. vvv well played Miss Lonelyhearts fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Dec 2, 2023 |
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Dec 2, 2023 18:54
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Viper*
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Zeruel posted:i find the start screen is often wrong or outdated information Sometimes it pulls the winstreak stat twice, with different values for each entry
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