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Voyager struggles with this a lot. They need to kill off characters for dramatic TV reasons, but there's a very finite number of crew, so you can't go hog wild like TOS and TNG did with red shirt murder. Also, the Borg are officially in Voyager now. That reveal at the end of the Pon Farr episode must have been freaky as poo poo for TV audiences. It was also clever of the show to introduce the breakaway Borg colony to establish them as a threat in a low stakes so the show can start building towards a real confrontation later. Also I'm kind of mad now that Voyager isn't just seven seasons of meeting different Borg variants and learning that the Borg invading the Alpha Quadrant are just jerks.
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If Starfleet is, as it purports to be, primarily an agency of exploration and diplomacy, it makes perfect sense that there would be room for career subject matter experts who don't have either the inclination or ability to pursue a command track. Combine that with the fact that starships canonically spend years on mission, it seems reasonable to me that you'd see career tracks that more resemble age of Sail tenure rather than the modern up or out military. I'll grant that Riker's refusal to move into the Captain's chair is TV fuckery, but there is definitely a place in Starfleet for the 40 year career xenobiologist.
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Yeah no one expected Darwin to take the helm and order canons fired at incoming
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Atlas Hugged posted:Yeah no one expected Darwin to take the helm and order canons fired at incoming Why would the dolphin from seaQuest- Oh. Ohhhh
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I'm so mad at myself for typing the wrong cannon and it's too late to ninja edit.
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zoux posted:Every time I see a clip of that show it's indistinguishable from a Gushers commercial made in 1997. A what now
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Nov 30, 2023 01:24
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Gushers? The fruit snack filled with sweet Odo-like goo?
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I appreciate Prodigy's attempt to sell Star Trek as a concept to a young audience rather than going the easy kids show route of just slapping a thin veneer of brand-flavouring onto whatever's popular at the time
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Rewatching the TOS movies and I realized that the nautical, sub-in-space vibe of those films really gives them a sense of verisimilitude that all the other movies and shows lack. It's in a bunch of little things like Kirk calling for fulll astern. Cliff Eidelman's score in TUD with all the snare drums really adds to that feeling.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJQhanz2CiE
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A.o.D. posted:If Starfleet is, as it purports to be, primarily an agency of exploration and diplomacy, it makes perfect sense that there would be room for career subject matter experts who don't have either the inclination or ability to pursue a command track. Sure as a specialist but as a junior officer? Roddenberry was in the Navy right? So I don’t know why he didn’t make the officer/enlisted balance more realistic, it wouldn’t at all matter E: USAAF actually and that probably had a more top heavy structure because I don’t think they let enlisted fly in WW2 zoux fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Nov 30, 2023 |
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Nov 30, 2023 01:35
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Maybe they realized that Admirals go evil pretty quickly so it's in their best interest to keep people in command positions until they really need 'em.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Voyager struggles with this a lot. They need to kill off characters for dramatic TV reasons, but there's a very finite number of crew, so you can't go hog wild like TOS and TNG did with red shirt murder.
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I wonder if that finally opened up a spot for Harry to get promoted.
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zoux posted:E: USAAF actually and that probably had a more top heavy structure because I don’t think they let enlisted fly in WW2 They did until 1942, which they called a sergeant pilot (staff sarge by rank). There was such a high demand for pilots that they did allow and trained enlisted pilots to fill roles that they didn't really think needed an officer to do. The USAAF filled in things like recon, transports, and even some heavy bombers. Fighters were exclusively officers. After 1942, all of the USAAF sergeant pilots were promoted to flight officer. The Navy did allow enlisted torpedo and dive bomber pilots to be enlisted for the duration of the war. My grandfather was a USAAF sergeant pilot. He spent the war at a training field in Florida as a master mechanic. One of his jobs was to take P-40s and later P-47s on check flights after maintenance. Didn't really require an officer to do that.
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Tonight's episode of DS9: "The Nagus". Good episode, I really enjoyed watching Jake fight to keep his friendship with Nog. The scene where Commander Sisko tracks Jake down, intending to drag him home, only to stumble on him teaching Nog to read and realizing that, far from Nog being a bad influence on Jake, it's in fact Jake who's helping Nog better himself, was just peak Star Trek. Big warm fuzzy feelings moment, top notch stuff, looking forward to seeing their friendship grow and develop over the course of the series. Also there was some stuff with Quark and Rom and the Wine In Front Of Me Guy from The Princess Bride, it was okay.
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I might love all the Jake/Nog episodes. "In the Cards" is so wholesome.
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Sash! posted:They did until 1942, which they called a sergeant pilot (staff sarge by rank). There was such a high demand for pilots that they did allow and trained enlisted pilots to fill roles that they didn't really think needed an officer to do. The USAAF filled in things like recon, transports, and even some heavy bombers. Fighters were exclusively officers. After 1942, all of the USAAF sergeant pilots were promoted to flight officer. The Navy did allow enlisted torpedo and dive bomber pilots to be enlisted for the duration of the war. Sounds like a decent assignment, better than getting shot up to poo poo over Schweinfurt as an officer Unrelated: I watched Blue Eye Samurai on Netflix - the entire series is top-to-bottom excellent - and George Takei turns in a great VA performance in a major role. It's incredible that he can still bring his voice like that at his age, he still has the gravity. zoux fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Nov 30, 2023 |
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:I might love all the Jake/Nog episodes. "In the Cards" is so wholesome. The one with the tragic A story then Jake/Nog as the B-story sucks though The only one I'd say, but they really dropped it there I genuinely can't remember which one it is though. Also related - it's mad that Jake's only in 71 episodes. Less than half!
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zoux posted:Roddenberry was in the Navy right? So I don’t know why he didn’t make the officer/enlisted balance more realistic, it wouldn’t at all matter Because he didn't want it to be like the Navy. He said that.
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Taear posted:Also related - it's mad that Jake's only in 71 episodes. Less than half! Garak is only in 33.
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zoux posted:Sounds like a decent assignment, better than getting shot up to poo poo over Schweinfurt as an officer We have his photo albums that are about 10 percent pictures of his buddies, 15 percent pictures of his friends, and 75 percent pictures of girls on the beach, so yeah
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Timby posted:Garak is only in 33. Deep Space 9 is a show with 33 episodes.
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I just started Strange New Worlds and am experiencing the very strange and unfamiliar sensation of a Star Trek show other than TNG being genuinely good
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Wow you should try Deep Space Nine then
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Soul Dentist posted:Wow you should try Deep Space Nine then 33/176 isn't a compelling average.
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Gene flew B-17s for the Army Air Corps until he crashed one. After the War he flew for Pan Am until he crashed an airliner too. Then he became a cop until writing TV paid the bills He wasn't in the Navy, I think he just loved big ships and like naming his space ships after real ones
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Taear posted:The one with the tragic A story then Jake/Nog as the B-story sucks though That would be the one where Bareil dies after Bashir replaces half his brain.
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Soul Dentist posted:Wow you should try Deep Space Nine then
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FuturePastNow posted:After the War he flew for Pan Am until he crashed an airliner too. Gene was a jump seat passenger on the Pan-Am flight. Yes, the plane crashed. No, he did not single-handedly drag the crew and passengers to safety. No, he did not walk for days to find a village with a radio to secure a rescue. Yes, the Oatmeal comic about that incident is utter bullshit, as was Gene's tall tale about it, and Majel rushed to get the story published in David Alexander's book Star Trek Creator. Another tale Gene liked to tell--which was also completely fabricated--was that he secured his first agent by dressing in his full LAPD traffic cop uniform, going to a bar that Swifty Lazar was known to frequent, and handed Lazar a script and said, "I suggest you read this." (Roddenberry's work in television began when he was working in the LAPD's public information office and worked as a liaison between the department and a few shows actively in production, such as Dragnet.) Timby fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Nov 30, 2023 |
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Atlas Hugged posted:Also I'm kind of mad now that Voyager isn't just seven seasons of meeting different Borg variants and learning that the Borg invading the Alpha Quadrant are just jerks. The Kazon 'street gangs in space', but it's just different Borg factions with different colored laser pointers on their heads.
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Angry Salami posted:The Kazon 'street gangs in space', but it's just different Borg factions with different colored laser pointers on their heads.
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Gold plated whirring claws and custom hologram eyepatches.
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zoux posted:Nebula class too blegh you wanna watch yourself bud or it'll be bat'leths at dawn 
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Show me a DS9 episode other than In the Pale Moonlight that isn't a boring daytime soap opera and we'll talk It's not my job to fix broken taste
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The Nebula is fine but the Melbourne itself was weird so all's well that ends well.
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Timby posted:Garak is only in 33. He's not in the main credits though. Him being in 33 is SHITLOADS for a "guest star" (and why DS9 is great) davidspackage posted:That would be the one where Bareil dies after Bashir replaces half his brain. Ah yea I just couldn't remember, I thought it might have been the one with her dad in Makes sense it's Bareil, the man so boring nobody can remember him
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I was saying Booreil.
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MikeJF posted:The Nebula is fine but the Melbourne itself was weird so all's well that ends well. Oh, that's the Neb variant with the silly little extra nacelles, isn't it? Yeah that was a weird kitbashing choice.
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They bring back Booreil for a mirror universe episode and when his actor can finally let his hair down he was a lot more interesting
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