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Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"
All my favorite bands were called gay in 1991

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Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


That said, I don't think metal ever had the potential that prog had because it was too inward directed and culturally defeatist. In the mid-'70s prog rock was creeping towards merger with jazz fusion, progressive soul, and other forms of long-term popular music. You had rock sounding more like jazz or soul, jazz and soul sounding more like rock, African and European scenes interacting in unmediated ways, all of it threatening to become a giant vernacular art movement that would have not only screwed up marketing and increased systemic risk for the culture industry, but threatened the survival of cultural hegemony itself. In the late '70s the culture industry defeated the various strains of erudite popular music, and drove everyone into either the "mainstream" or isolated, paranoid scenes like metal (which I like but is only a dim echo of what came before) that could either be commodified or strangled with minimal resistance. All this ultimately led to our current hellscape out of Theodor Adorno's worst nightmares where everything is reduced to empty signifiers that can be manipulated, reconfigured, and resold in a cultural vacuum. Nothing is real and everything is an op.

I am reminded of Steve Albini (I think) talking about music on the internet as a "hall of fetishes" where there is a form of musical pornography for every kink. That is horrible! A culture with no cultural threads, everything a neo- something or other disconnected from any living tradition, with the reactionary "traditional" art being the fakest of all, cottagecore and jackbootcore and grecoromancore and medievalcore, empty simulacra of a past that never existed. If a chain of continuity breaks there is no going back except as a cheap counterfeit.

Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 19:22 on Nov 28, 2023

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Big cities are overrated. I was raised in a smallish town and although I'm completely aware of the issues with small towns, I prefer them over big, impersonal cities.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Big cities are overrated. I was raised in a smallish town and although I'm completely aware of the issues with small towns, I prefer them over big, impersonal cities.

There are so many things you can't try in a small town

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Sure....insane real estate prices, apartments the size of postcards....

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

apartments the size of postcards....

we still had those when i was in a small town

CordlessPen
Jan 8, 2004

I told you so...

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Big cities are overrated. I was raised in a smallish town and although I'm completely aware of the issues with small towns, I prefer them over big, impersonal cities.

I like tiny podunk towns 'cause you can have a 300 acres lot and no neighbors and you can do whatever the gently caress you want as long as it doesn't involve a business being open past 7 PM. I like cities 'cause you can walk and bike most places and there's public transit for the rest.

Suburbs are actually part of Hell and were basically invented by car companies to normalize driving literally everywhere.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Yeah, give me a small walkable town where you're minutes, if even that, from all the places you need to be. Having to drive everywhere sucks.

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"
small towns and big cities both offer ample opportunity to develop community

suburbs exist to offer solitude to those none of us want to be around in the first place

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Woolie Wool posted:

Also this entire thread is hot takes by people with axes to grind so I don't know what you were expecting :shrug:

this thread is about workshopping a hot take in a low stakes peer feedback context

Aramek
Dec 22, 2007

Cutest tumor in all of Oncology!
We should have better public transit, affordable housing, and walkable cities, so there will be fewer cars on the road, for me, when I drive.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Aramek posted:

We should have better public transit, affordable housing, and walkable cities, so there will be fewer cars on the road, for me, when I drive.

There's a reason why you don't see traffic in car commercials.

E: this would make sports cars (in the sense of "lightweight two seater" not "900 horsepower penis extension") and manual transmissions much more viable too

Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 22:44 on Nov 28, 2023

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Aramek posted:

We should have better public transit, affordable housing, and walkable cities, so there will be fewer cars on the road, for me, when I drive.

There should be absolutely no other cars on the road so we can identify Aramek when they drive. Then I'll wave and say "hi Aramek how are the roads today har har just joshin you know I dont drive have a good day"

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

gently caress Mele Kalikimaka. Absolute abortion of a song. Hate it

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Grassy Knowles posted:

There should be absolutely no other cars on the road so we can identify Aramek when they drive. Then I'll wave and say "hi Aramek how are the roads today har har just joshin you know I dont drive have a good day"

I would also like to wave at Aramek.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin
I try to be open minded and accept that people have wildly varying tastes and interests but whenever someone says they don’t like animation at all I’m always taken aback. It’s a fantastic art form!

nice obelisk idiot
May 18, 2023

funerary linens looking like dishrags

Woolie Wool posted:

The first wave of punk rock was some of the most cynical manufactured culture industry bullshit ever recorded and whatever artistic value punk has came later in the '80s.
Northern Ireland's first wave scene was largely the opposite of this, as there was initially no hope of commercial success and obviously there were major social problems impacting the lives of kids then. Like this is a pretty straightforward love song but even here the imagery of the ever-present oppression and violence soaks into it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anNJU1ExuJw
Most bands weren't explicitly social or overtly artistically ambitious or anything. but it retrospectively doesn't seem like there was this huge push to 'make it' beyond the local scene in the earliest years of it

thetoughestbean posted:

I try to be open minded and accept that people have wildly varying tastes and interests but whenever someone says they don’t like animation at all I’m always taken aback. It’s a fantastic art form!
I feel like animation fans can be too immersed in it and oblivious to what might appeal to people who aren't all that taken in by the craft as such. I like stuff like weird stop motion or sloppy comedic things with great facial expressions, but if someone tried to show me something like The Thief and The Cobbler like that one guy on here years ago, I would nope out asap

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thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

nice obelisk idiot posted:

I feel like animation fans can be too immersed in it and oblivious to what might appeal to people who aren't all that taken in by the craft as such. I like stuff like weird stop motion or sloppy comedic things with great facial expressions, but if someone tried to show me something like The Thief and The Cobbler like that one guy on here years ago, I would nope out asap

I’m more talking about blanket dislike of the entire art form, not not being interested in obscure passion project

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Woolie Wool posted:

The backlash against hair bands also hit traditional and US power metal bands who made totally different music but had long hair and high pitched singing so they were trashed as hair metal, and also as "gay" (this was 1991 and gay was a deadly insult).

Also this entire thread is hot takes by people with axes to grind so I don't know what you were expecting :shrug:

Like honestly it's a different enough take that I was just hoping to see you argue it a bit harder.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
I dunno maybe it's different on the east coast but in the places I do most of my regular traveling (Arizona, California, New Mexico) small towns are pretty desperate places, usually without a ton of upside. There are places where the communities are really trying hard to keep it together and even grow it and I could kind of see the appeal of those places, but usually it means living somewhere with no services, no entertainment, dollar general as your grocery store and police openly in the pocket of whatever nearby factory/mine that is in complete control of the town.

Actually I just realized the difference between the two types of towns I've encountered is their proximity to tourist destinations.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

thetoughestbean posted:

I try to be open minded and accept that people have wildly varying tastes and interests but whenever someone says they don’t like animation at all I’m always taken aback. It’s a fantastic art form!

For every person on earth there is at least one anime they'd really like.

Nameless Pete
May 8, 2007

Get a load of those...
Ghost aren't scary. Like, what're you gonna do, kill me? That threat has no teeth anymore!

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Gripweed posted:

For every person on earth there is at least one anime they'd really like.

who is this nonbinary person who likes 8 billion animes

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

Nameless Pete posted:

Ghost aren't scary. Like, what're you gonna do, kill me? That threat has no teeth anymore!

Torment your soul eternally

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Gripweed posted:

For every person on earth there is at least one anime they'd really like.

For example, this clip is the only anime I like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jnecnhS-Z4

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Blue Moonlight posted:

For example, this clip is the only anime I like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jnecnhS-Z4


this is better than akira

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
For me it's Ronin Warriors.

Nameless Pete
May 8, 2007

Get a load of those...

thetoughestbean posted:

Torment your soul eternally

You are also a ghost in this scenario. Torment them right back!

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Grassy Knowles posted:

who is this nonbinary person who likes 8 billion animes

Turn off your monitor.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Blue Moonlight posted:

For example, this clip is the only anime I like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jnecnhS-Z4

what does he mean go back to work

is this just a hobby for this man

Shit Fuckasaurus
Oct 14, 2005

i think right angles might be an abomination against nature you guys
Lipstick Apathy

Nameless Pete posted:

Ghost aren't scary. Like, what're you gonna do, kill me? That threat has no teeth anymore!

They're going to watch you in your most private moments and then tell everyone all the weird stuff you do when you think you're alone.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

poo poo Fuckasaurus posted:

They're going to watch you in your most private moments and then tell everyone all the weird stuff you do when you think you're alone.

They're going to ruin your favourite hobby by putting on Unchained Melody and getting all Swayze with you.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

LED christmas lights are tacky

christmas lights of any kind are also tacky

I don't mind seeing the decorations at night though. Looks nice.

The whippy whappy screensaver projectors that you point at your garage door though, they look as terrible and low effort as they are.

In conclusion, Halloween is by far the superior decorative holiday.

Aramek
Dec 22, 2007

Cutest tumor in all of Oncology!
Like LED are more tacky than incandescent? How can you tell?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Christmas decorations should be tacky.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
:mad: Anyone calling my Christmas decorations tacky gets the whippy whappy right into their bippy bappy!

Robobot
Aug 21, 2018
Christmas time is the best time. It’s cold and gray so having a bunch of colorful lights on houses is nice. I wish there were more holidays that involved decorating houses. Decorating things for stuff is fun!

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



The problem with Christmas is not necessarily the tackiness of the displays or even the jingly Christmas music*, but how obligatory it all is: gotta have the Christmas tree, gotta watch the same dozen or so movies you've seen a thousand times, gotta buy buy buy to show your friends and family how much you love them, gotta have the ostentatious Clark Griswold-style house decorations, etc. No wonder people hate "the holidays" so much.





* I think we can all agree that Christmas Shoes is the worst song ever created, though.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald has a new favorite as of 23:01 on Nov 30, 2023

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

The Puritans tried to ban Christmas in England so the English banned the Puritans.

That said the version of Christmas in question had a lot more drunken reveling so maybe we should bring that back.

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Nameless Pete
May 8, 2007

Get a load of those...
I've gotten to the point where I involuntarily tense up if I see a poinsettia.

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