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Subjunctive posted:Build public housing, make the government the landlord.
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Nov 28, 2023 23:17
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Subjunctive posted:Build public housing, make the government the landlord. No I'm sure tinkering at the margins of market based housing is gonna start delivering the goods any day now!
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Nov 28, 2023 23:38
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The government is going to get absolutely rinsed all because they wanted to balance the budget in the 1990's. Also, LOL at anyone who thinks PP is going to solve the problem by cutting red tape.
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Nov 28, 2023 23:41
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leftist heap posted:No I'm sure tinkering at the margins of market based housing is gonna start delivering the goods any day now! this time for sure! 
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Nov 28, 2023 23:48
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large hands posted:It's a big country with drastically different markets but I can only encourage anyone who can to work union or organize. The guys pushing brooms around here start at $25hr and go up pretty quickly as they go to school(paid by union). A carpenter makes around $45hr and forepersons are six figures. 1.5x rate after 8 hours and 2x after ten. You get an ok pension and my blue cross is better than my wife's and she's an RN. On the other hand I could sit on my butt in my climate-controlled home and get paid twice that much. I'm joking a bit but I do think people see the wear and tear that construction can do to a person (depending on particular trade) as well as the possibilities of working outside in both freezing cold and blazing heat and just think nahhhh. Maybe more has to be done on both the government and industry side to appeal to the kids. I know sometimes the culture is particularly unappealing to young women and many would never even consider it as an option.
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Nov 29, 2023 14:49
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Fidelitious posted:Maybe more has to be done on both the government and industry side to appeal to the kids. I know sometimes the culture is particularly unappealing to young women and many would never even consider it as an option. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Nov 29, 2023 |
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Nov 29, 2023 16:32
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Nov 29, 2023 16:37
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Mr. Apollo posted:very vocal about their beliefs. i haven't worked in this sort of environment in awhile but whenever i do i just get more vocal about my beliefs every time they open their mouths until management tells us to stfu
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Nov 29, 2023 16:45
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There are bigoted vocal QAnon types in office jobs too. I have teamed up with a socialist boomer from the UK to destroy the ones in my office whenever they pipe up about their bizarre conspiracy theories.
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Nov 29, 2023 17:07
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McGavin posted:There are bigoted vocal QAnon types in office jobs too. I have teamed up with a socialist boomer from the UK to destroy the ones in my office whenever they pipe up about their bizarre conspiracy theories. Pretty sure most respectable offices get rid of these people one way or another once they are identified. I can personally count on one hand in my entire career having an issue with genuinely crazy people in the office who don’t shut up.
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Nov 29, 2023 18:23
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My friend is a very accomplished electrician and he's walked off jobs due to toxic sites. It always flows down from the super too, they absolutely set the culture. It's amazing how they come apologizing and begging for him to come back every time too. But if you don't have the confidence and clout to walk off sites and demand apologies, construction/trades can be a real toxic environment to get into. I used to visit construction sites for a living and I found this super true as well. I'd arrive on a site and instantly feel a vibe. When I'd finally get to the site trailer and meet the guy in charge, it always matched up with the vibe of the site. It was funny I arrived at one site, a big 2-building apartment complex in Langford, and it was the nicest site I'd ever visited. All the trades I met with were organized and had all the documents I needed, I saw a lot of women working on the site, no one was screaming or swearing at each other. Everyone just seemed nice and professional. Then I finally make it to the site office and to meet the supervisor and the architect. Both of them were 30-something women. The worst sites are all run by lovely old school 50 or even 60+ year olds men. Lot of extremely lovely toxic dudes who "can't retire" because they're so "needed" and who's only management style is yelling and using homophobic slurs. Guess what, that's a horrible way to manage anyone and it doesn't work and those sites were always gong shows of non-stop fuckups.
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Nov 29, 2023 18:35
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Fidelitious posted:On the other hand I could sit on my butt in my climate-controlled home and get paid twice that much. Ok I'm all ears and ready to work from home for 200k/yr, hook me up  I'm in management and I'm on Vancouver Island so it's pretty bearable outdoors but outdoor work definitely has its downsides. Mr. Apollo posted:I know a guy who trained as a welder but he's gone back to school because he said he couldn't take job site culture. He said some of workers were fine but most of them, especially the older ones, were really bigoted and "QAnon types" and were very vocal about their beliefs. This has improved drastically where I am but there are definitely a couple of nuts on most sites. I can imagine it's probably the norm if you're welding in the oil patch or something though. "Ducks" was an eye opener.
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Nov 29, 2023 18:39
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qhat posted:Pretty sure most respectable offices get rid of these people one way or another once they are identified. I can personally count on one hand in my entire career having an issue with genuinely crazy people in the office who don’t shut up. Both of the main culprits in my office immigrated to Canada from the other side of the Iron Curtain immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union, so I can understand why they hold the viewpoints that they do.
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Nov 29, 2023 19:14
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Fidelitious posted:On the other hand I could sit on my butt in my climate-controlled home and get paid twice that much. It's this. No one wants to do hard work for low pay when you can do easy work for high pay.
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Nov 29, 2023 19:18
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RealityWarCriminal posted:It's this. No one wants to do hard work for low pay when you can do easy work for high pay. I'm curious what all the easy, high paying jobs you guys have are. If the average person can easily get a job coding or working as a government servant out of highschool and be making six figures after a few years then things are definitely going to get a lot tougher for any industry that's typically been staffed by the non-secondary education cohort.
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Nov 29, 2023 19:54
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Nah I got one of the hard work low pay jobs. Maybe they aren't that many easy work high pay jobs, they just happen to run society.
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Nov 29, 2023 20:01
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Those jobs are not easy to get and require years of education and experience. But once you’re in it’s cushy as hell.
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Nov 29, 2023 20:19
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lol conservatives starting to freak out about the missing middle stuff getting passed by the majority NDP government https://x.com/RobShaw_BC/status/1730005772963287248?s=20
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Nov 30, 2023 04:14
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NDP is pretty cool when they aren't bullying disabled black women
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Nov 30, 2023 05:14
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COPE 27 posted:NDP is pretty cool when they aren't bullying disabled black women Do not taint the BC NDP by associating them with the Ontario NDP.
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Nov 30, 2023 11:24
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large hands posted:Ok I'm all ears and ready to work from home for 200k/yr, hook me up qhat posted:Those jobs are not easy to get and require years of education and experience. But once you’re in it’s cushy as hell. So yeah, first go back to 2008 and graduate with some computer poo poo into a society that's just starting to rehire at a rapid rate after a huge economic bust. I wouldn't put too much stock into the years of education thing depending on the employer. I only did a 2-year program post-secondary. My job is complete BS and yet pays more than most trades even at Master level. It's ludicrous. But apparently people are a lot more sensitive to housing prices than vidja game prices.
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Nov 30, 2023 14:55
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Fidelitious posted:So yeah, first go back to 2008 and graduate with some computer poo poo into a society that's just starting to rehire at a rapid rate after a huge economic bust. I actually started university in computer science and am pretty fluent in C and (lol) turbopascal but 19 y/o me was not prepared for a 50% math course load and I knew after my first calculus class it wasn't for me. Applied programming/development school would have been great, although I don't think it really existed in the late nineties when I would have been interested. One of my highschool buddies I did AP programming with got into eBay at the start before PayPal bought them and is probably rich as gently caress now. I love my life and work now though and wouldn't be here if I'd gone down that path. There can be an amazing cameraderie and sense of accomplishment in the trades, but the dinosaur mentality definitely has to go.
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Nov 30, 2023 17:28
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Nimby's having a total meltdown in BC. They all have the exact same talking points too. They're not bots, they're just incredibly simple people. -NDP is an authoritarian dictatorship no one voted for. There's no democracy in BC. I didn't vote for Eby to be premier? Did you? Dictatorship. -Local municipalities are democratic, the NDP are an UNELECTED government destroying local democracy by telling them they have to allow housing. -4-plexes will turn "family neighbourhoods" into "favelas" filled with crime and populated only with the flood of foreign invaders the Feds are inviting into Canada despite the country being full. -This is communism, this is north korea, this is a dictator stripping away the sacred rights of homeowners to veto all new housing remotely near them. -The BC NDP used a horrible undemocratic trick called "having a majority" to "ram through" their legislation before the other opposition parties could consent!! Dictatorship!!!!!
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Nov 30, 2023 18:32
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eby can ram his legislation through me any time
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Nov 30, 2023 18:41
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They're right about Eby's election
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Nov 30, 2023 18:43
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large hands posted:I actually started university in computer science and am pretty fluent in C and (lol) turbopascal but 19 y/o me was not prepared for a 50% math course load and I knew after my first calculus class it wasn't for me. Totally, my dad was a tradesman and worked a bunch of sites in his time, but I think his main thing was working independently installing kitchens, electrics, and extensions, etc residential. If I went into the trades I'd probably want to do that because I like building/fixing poo poo and dealing with customers directly, but I don't think I'd want to deal with a potential avalanche of bigotry at your average site.
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Nov 30, 2023 18:47
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Baronjutter posted:Nimby's having a total meltdown in BC. They all have the exact same talking points too. They're not bots, they're just incredibly simple people. It's so good lol. Wonder if the government will give me a loan to knock down our house and build one of the pre-approved multi unit designs they're talking about rolling out
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Nov 30, 2023 18:57
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It blows my mind, like if all you care about is profits, then surely being approved for a 6-plex is actually a good thing?? Like that's why people along major roads are grifting their homes as land assemblies, because increased density almost always commands a premium on the land. I guess it's not about money though, we're just prudent citizens concerned about the pace of change in our precious white neighborhood.
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Nov 30, 2023 19:15
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My only real complaint about the NDP's proposed legislation (Bills 44, 45. And 47) is that they aren't mandating inclusionary zoning for affordable rental by rapid transit stations. It also isn't clear if local government will have the ability to implement this as well. That's it. Other than getting infrastructure up to speed, that's all I have real concerns over.
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Dec 1, 2023 00:01
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The thing with IZ is that it loving sucks and leads to way less and more expensive market housing, all while producing an insignificant amount of actual affordable housing. Making housing pay for affordable housing is insane. Just raise general taxes and have the government fund it. IZ has always just been a progressive sounding tool to kill housing. Someone's new 3 million dollar mansion doesn't need any affordable housing, but those little 500k condos do. The costs just get passed down to the buyers. If the goal is making housing more affordable, pull out all the stops and let builders build. If you want actual affordable housing that has to be built at a loss, pay for that with general taxation. Don't tax the buyers of the cheapest forms of market housing.
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I dunno, man, LGA s. 482 and s. 483 have been pretty successful in the past at securing amenities and affordable rental tenure ... for the past 30 years or so ... edit: Hubbert posted:the correct way forward for BC municipalities to build "affordable" housing is to use existing permissions in the LGA, by either: Hubbert fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Dec 1, 2023 |
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Dec 1, 2023 00:49
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Has anyone looked at the new transit-oriented zoning on the map in Vancouver yet? https://rpubs.com/joshmessmer/1110999 That is a whole lot of 8-story 3.0 FSR zoning (and higher). Everything from the Skytrain to Kingsway. All of the nimby rear end in a top hat zone between Commercial and Victoria all the way up to 1st. It's glorious!
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So say you're renting a house that falls in these zones, are you gonna have to move soon? Is this more "properties can have up to x amount of units" or this area is now no longer zoned for SFH?
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Mr. Mercury posted:So say you're renting a house that falls in these zones, are you gonna have to move soon? Is this more "properties can have up to x amount of units" or this area is now no longer zoned for SFH? If you're renting in a SFH you were already at risk of it being turned into a duplex, or more recently a multiplex. There is now no such thing as SFH-only zoning in Vancouver. That said, the stock of SFH greatly exceeds the construction industry's capacity to turn it into multiplexes or apartments, so it could be decades before you get renovicted. It's a lot more likely the house will be sold and the owners will want to move in. There is no such thing as security of tenure when renting SFH in Vancouver.
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also, as i understand it, upzoning doesn't make it illegal to build non-dense housing, it just makes it less economical than building the densest thing you're allowed.
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Dec 1, 2023 06:54
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We put together a little statement about Bill 44, from my silly local housing group.
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Mr. Mercury posted:So say you're renting a house that falls in these zones, are you gonna have to move soon? Is this more "properties can have up to x amount of units" or this area is now no longer zoned for SFH? Are you asking if the government is going to forcibly bulldoze all existing homes in the upzoned areas? No, of course not. When people say to get rid of SFH zoning, they mean exclusive zoning. You can still build a SFH there if you want, it just makes no sense for a developer to do that if they're also allowed to build a 10-unit mid-rise or something. SFH will slowly convert to denser forms as redevelopment happens but the owner has to actually want to redevelop it first. And there will most definitely still be SFH enclaves.
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Yeah it's funny I hear that sort of worry here too. "I rent a basement suite in a house, I'm against upzoning because they might demo this house". My neighbourhood is full of construction sites as people demolish slightly smaller older houses with suites and replace them with mansions without suites. The class of people who can afford a new built house are rich enough to not even need or want a suite. Allowing those demolished houses to be replaced with a 6-plex instead of a bigger mansion is good. And in the longer term we want so many rentals that having to move isn't a huge stressful thing because you can always find a new place easily. Basement suites and amateur landlords really suck, you never know when they're going to sell or use the family-use loophole to kick you out. I want so many nice purpose built rentals that basement "mortgage helper" suites become very hard to fill. In the 70's we had such an oversupply of rentals that landlords had to compete to attract tenants and some units would sit empty for half a year before they could fill it. So many people have grown up under such normalized extreme housing scarcity that they can't even imagine what a healthy market looks like, and think it's impossible to get there. We've been there, we can get back there.
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