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Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019
:discourse:

Xaris posted:

legitimately always the most annoying psychotic type of goon who does that

there's a particular type of person who doesn't want to face up to the fact that maybe television/video games/internet/smartphones/social media/iap etc. are deleterious to developing minds, if not adult minds too. some of them of the average goon generation who grew up with a dial-up modem, a bulky desktop, and webforums also probably don't comprehend how different the internet is when you have a smartphone thrust in your hands from age 2 and everything is about money or selling yourself.

to join in on the chorus of horror school tales: I worked at a school where it was discovered that an under-age student was posting fetish porn of themselves via tumblr and patreon. some of it had been made at the school, but not within school hours. we found out because someone doxxed the student. it was a clusterfuck.

edit: well this sure is a snype

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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

i am harry posted:

is kids playing roblox better or worse than kids watching sitcoms

why do we always get these posts acting like it's no different than what kids used to do

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

spiritual bypass posted:

get a miele, scrub

I got a shark that was recommended by vacuum wars and it's super good. the vertex with duoclean powerfins or w/e. not cheap but definitely cheaper than the dyson

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

have we considered that maybe previous generations' electronic escapades (ours included) were also unhealthy and may have contributed to their/our current awful behaviors

not sole cause, but yet another reason poo poo's interpersonally hosed

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
its not my fault op, the internet made me stupid

Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019
:discourse:

Complications posted:

have we considered that maybe previous generations' electronic escapades (ours included) were also unhealthy and may have contributed to their/our current awful behaviors

not sole cause, but yet another reason poo poo's interpersonally hosed

that's what i believe, but I also severed myself from my online life during college and early twenties and I think that did a lot to make me more well-adjusted

but I think there's a real issue with how the internet has gone from a place you visit via the box in your bedroom or living room and this thing that is always on you and always with you and always active

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/deusexmoniker/status/1730328615688999150

quote:

Here's a thread full of mathematical breakdowns of real numbers on why the economy is actually bad for the majority of participants.

This guy [Will Stancil] is such a smug gently caress I have to present concrete evidence. And some logical suppositions.

First of all, bidens favorite number is "historically low unemployment"

This is why he ejected millions of children from SNAP.

It actually makes very little sense as a figure if you just look at it like a thermometer. A million folks died. There was all this propaganda about "no one wants to work anymore" and "there are 10.9 million unfilled job openings in America" in 2021 and by 2022 it went away

Here's what actually happened. A shitload of boomers retired. Then after 2 years of sustained inflation they came back to the workforce excluding the 4 million wealthiest. They couldn't afford to retire.



The outflow happened in 2020, Biden got them back poor and starving and ready to greet at Walmart or whatever people actually do

These people also generally do not have children on snap. Its usually younger parents. But their large numbers shifting allowed Biden to make false inferences about the economy. It must be doing well. Look at all this "job creation"

This drives alot of Wills claims as well.

So. His case is that the economy is doing well. If that's true then the outlook going forward must be incredibly good according to the government will is doing propaganda for.

No wrong. The outlook is actually the worst in several generations


In fact, a giant portion of the workforce can't afford housing anywhere in America

[urlhttps://cnn.com/2021/07/15/homes/rent-affordability-minimum-wage/index.html[/url]

Statistically we are in a public health crisis related to hunger according to the government
https://t.co/FaHlSjnfnU

Food banks, people who deal with poverty on the ground every day, confirm this fact

Unprecedented usage of their services DESPITE RECORD UNEMPLOYMENT



The pandemic era benefits became inflation relief benefits, then they were gone. But prices stayed high. They're still high.

Let's talk about two of our titans of business. Bezos and Gates. Gates bought most of the farmland in America. Bezos just bought 500m in private 🏘

Why do bill gates, a tech guy, and bezos, a sweatshop guy, need half a billion in private houses and billions in farmland? Because there won't be anyone to buy his products in a decade. It's not sustainable. Rapidly dwindling customer base over ten years

Even jp morgan is buying up private housing as they all race to become feudal lords

They can read just like you can. No jobs in the next decade. So no customers.

In case you were wondering, how fast is the population growing? 2.3 million people per year. That's 23 million new workers in the workforce between 2022 and 2032 competing for a decade for....4.7 million jobs.

23 million people trying to get 5 million jobs? That's collapse math. Imagine all the cities with an extra 15 million unemployed on top of the usual3-6%

The only solution is austerity so the democrats and rep8blicans can mow the grass. Anything else is admitting systemic collapses to the system

I had to go work before but I'm back with more.

You're all behind on your credit cards and car notes.
https://t.co/dUhtqPrSvm

So you aren't extracting enough wealth from the economy to feed yourself, afford housing, afford transportation, and afford credit. Therefore the economy is not doing well. We can see just how far gone south the economy is when 25 million boomers preparing to exit for 40yr..

Only manage to last 18 months or 1 year before returning. As we reach an unprecedented slow down of job growth not seen since the great depression.

The government also can't pay their bills either
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-changes-outlook-united-states-ratings-negative-2023-11-10/

In fact everyone kind of believes our economy is collapsing
https://t.co/AkWw8gJduP

It's not me saying this
https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/bonds-crash-in-long-term-treasuries-is-now-bonafide-epic-meltdown/

Biden has never once alluded to the bond market crash even though it rivals the http://dot.com collapse in size. He's been in charge for the entire freefall

You probably didn't even know there's a rout on us treasury bonds. Now you do.

Janet Yellen, who has presided over the collapse of treasury bonds: we can afford two wars

Turn the loving ship you elderly pricks

Time for Doomsday Economics, now including Feudalism with Modern Warfare characteristics, snuffing the life out of boomers for one last rally, food bank use rocketing to the moon, and bonds collapse.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
We're in a public health crisis related to loving public health too

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002




Try Thunderbird.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Gunshow Poophole posted:

We're in a public health crisis related to loving public health too

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
https://twitter.com/theUBIguy/status/1729696702846672908?t=T8Ic44lNYOw34R6Z92FMew&s=19

Elman posted:

Is it, really? If all their friends' and classmates' parents are on the same page there won't be peer pressure or negative social effects from it. They can still have a dumb phone, but they don't need to become addicted to doomscrolling and microtransactions at 13.

getting a bit sick of this word ngl

BornAPoorBlkChild has issued a correction as of 11:41 on Dec 1, 2023

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

BornAPoorBlkChild posted:

getting a bit sick of this word ngl

tbh english isn't my first language and I thought it just meant getting stuck in an infinite scrolling loop, I only just realized it means looking at news specifically

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

lol no, thats not how it works

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

bonds being worth nothing isn’t exactly ideal as are you not supposed to start moving retirement investments into bonds rather than the risky stock market as you get older?

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

sonatinas posted:

my nephew talks about these IPs he sees on Roblox without knowing the context.

like what if someone made a references to media they’ve never seen. people quote movies they have never seen but amplify that to all sorts of poo poo and that’s your mush brained Roblox gamer who watches YouTube’s of people playing idiotic Roblox games experiences.

Roblox bad but I don't see why this in particular is a problem. From Looney Tunes through Animaniacs, The Simpsons, etc, cartoons have always been full of references to things children couldn't be expected to know about. I mean I guess in retrospect I'm annoyed that the Far Side spoiled The Godfather for me

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
Yeah that's just cultural osmosis
Where it gets insidious is stuff like porn leaking into the Roblox world

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Gunshow Poophole posted:

We're in a public health crisis related to loving public health too

https://twitter.com/dex3703/status/1730359425008087113?t=n3pvZrttD0AX8SfdILEM0Q&s=19

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

Yeah that's just cultural osmosis
Where it gets insidious is stuff like porn leaking into the Roblox world

:yikes:


this doesn't make sense? it's not like the annual birth rate generated a 2.3 million surplus above the trend. the covid deaths were "excess" but the births weren't, plus migration was lower than historical levels

sonatinas
Apr 15, 2003

Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

webcams for christ posted:

Roblox bad but I don't see why this in particular is a problem. From Looney Tunes through Animaniacs, The Simpsons, etc, cartoons have always been full of references to things children couldn't be expected to know about. I mean I guess in retrospect I'm annoyed that the Far Side spoiled The Godfather for me

in this particular instance my nephew watches Roblox content of a dude who just plays “find the pop culture” thing that is hidden in these worlds so while yea old cartoons made references to other media it’s not as amplified as someone watching an hour of videos of a dude trying to find avatars of horror movie icons like pennywise to Simpsons characters daily. I’m sure all these Roblox YouTube niche markets are just as stupid.

spending time watching a kid actually consume Roblox games and the media promoting it and how it manifests can be eye opening to a cspam reader. however to most parents that are already consumed by Facebook it’s nbd.

I have a kid similar age and i have to counter it after she hangs out with Roblox kids.

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1730583899535704307?t=b-DUw96xIAP1pO8jbJfH6Q&s=19

That ev transition ain't happening

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

actionjackson posted:

why do we always get these posts acting like it's no different than what kids used to do

I just wrote a bunch of poo poo about why that’s not actually what I’m saying unless you read it as me saying sitcoms were very bad also

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009


thank god

Taima
Dec 31, 2006

tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know

Jel Shaker posted:

bonds being worth nothing isn’t exactly ideal as are you not supposed to start moving retirement investments into bonds rather than the risky stock market as you get older?

Bonds being worth nothing is really hyperbolic but yes, generally speaking it's not ideal that instruments that were previously classified as "safe" are, well, not. But that is just part of a wider trend of retirement either going away or drastically changing in its function.

Something that stunned me earlier this year was when France increased the pension/retirement age from 62 to 64. Pensions are an extremely hot button issue in France and it's one of the last places where direct actions works/has results. You could say they were less than pleased when the pension change was announced:





It didn't matter, the changes went through. And I think it helps illuminate where the western viewpoint is on retirement in general.

The impediments to maintaining the current structure of western retirement are, generally speaking:

1) We've pillaged the world of its natural resources to provide an almost comically cushy lifestyle for the rich, and the chunk of boomers etc who really ended up benefiting, through no intent of their own in most cases, from an obscene combination of post-war excess and, frankly, an increasing will and ability to strip-mine the earth at massive scales. The future of humanity was traded for a handful of truly impressive decades and everyone convinced themselves it was going to last forever. If the post-war looting of the earth was a giant party, it's now about 1am. Still some people vibing but the venue is pretty trashed, and the coke stash is starting to run a little dry; people are glancing at their watches and trying to determine if they should schedule their Uber home.

2) Climate change has, if anything, been pretty wildly underestimated. Given how paper-thin any attempted mandate for changing that has been, we can safely assume that this is never happening. Or, at least, not soon enough to matter. At the same time, the quickly narrowing flow of overall resources ensures that capture of remaining assets (natural and otherwise) happens at full throttle. We're gonna be licking the bag in a minute here and its not gonna be pretty.

3) Life expectancy continues to rise despite some, ahem, local reversal in some areas. Will it continue to rise? That's an increasingly complicated question; the world will simply have far fewer resources to work with going forward, and it seems reasonable that would stifle overall expectancy advances, but we need to extrapolate the best we can based on data we have now, and that data is telling us that we need to prepare for longer living people at the same time that the resources for those people is in free fall over the coming decades.

Where does this leave us? It's obvious that the current regime of ~60-65ish retirement is simply going away for the vast majority of humans whose parents were able to accomplish that. It won't all happen right away; we'll slow-roll it and advance the retirement age and/or pull back social programs in a way that accomplishes the same thing.

While it sounds hyperbolic, I even wonder if retirement will go away, or more accurately, change in its basic concept. Instead of a hard stop where you no longer work, I think it's very possible that we'll see the elderly work until they are physically/mentally unable to do so. Probably at reduced work hours over time, but they will likely have some kind of job for most of their lives.

Even now the overall retirement picture for boomers remains uncertain, and we are seeing many return to the workforce. And we're barely into the full-on resource cliff that awaits the coming decades. Gen X might do ok, relatively. Millennials who leverage(d) the computer toucher boom to get into and pay off houses will do ok, but the prognosis feels pretty dire for the majority. Gen Z and earlier? lol. Lmao.

It's not all bad news; it's only during tough times that the world can change. But the meantime is going to be hard, and particularly hard for the younger generations who are going to be in the absolute thick of it. A climate-change ravaged world in which the vast majority of the resources were extracted long ago. A world that mortgaged the futures of those who came after. :shrug:

It's probably worth internalizing sooner rather than later that these changes are coming and adjusting expectations accordingly.

Taima has issued a correction as of 16:07 on Dec 1, 2023

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Treasury Bonds that you own and planned on holding to maturity for retirement are safe and you won't incur a loss on them (except via inflation). the problem is for people and institutions who bought bonds without intending to hold to maturity: older bonds from the ZIRP era are trading well below their nominal value

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Commercial landlords buying up all the houses means if you don't own a house when you retire, have fun spending the majority of your retirement money on rent rather than (ideally) having already paid off your 30 yr mortgage

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

super sweet best pal posted:

What happened in 1940?

The suicide rate spiked to its highest ever during the Great Depression and was still declining from that peak in 1940.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

OhFunny posted:

The suicide rate spiked to its highest ever during the Great Depression and was still declining from that peak in 1940.



huh, that's a worrying trend line

Happy Underpants
Jul 23, 2007

OhFunny posted:

The suicide rate spiked to its highest ever during the Great Depression and was still declining from that peak in 1940.

Is that dip near this year where covid relief was??

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Happy Underpants posted:

Is that dip near this year where covid relief was??

I will never be able to find the reference for this from ages ago, but covid killed an awful lot of sick people, and sick people make up a significant fraction of suicides

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


loving grim

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

Skinnymansbeerbelly
Apr 1, 2010
While grocery shopping this morning, I noticed that there is now a new, Winco store brand generic soda (:btroll:), priced just under the formerly cheap Shasta.

I don't know why, but it's setting off alarm bells.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

store brands have been the low key superstars of the past few years

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



go to costco where the store brand is better

Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 17:24 on Dec 1, 2023

BUUNNI
Jun 23, 2023

by Pragmatica

OhFunny posted:

The suicide rate spiked to its highest ever during the Great Depression and was still declining from that peak in 1940.



Thought terminating brainworm! It would be authoritarian to do something about this

Glumwheels
Jan 25, 2003

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ

Complications posted:

have we considered that maybe previous generations' electronic escapades (ours included) were also unhealthy and may have contributed to their/our current awful behaviors

not sole cause, but yet another reason poo poo's interpersonally hosed

“I played video games and posted on a dead forum when I was younger, I’m totally fine”




Lmao

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

my favorite is when I scan a store-brand item into my nutrition app and it shows up as a major name brand that retails for 3x as much

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

Glumwheels posted:

“I played video games and posted on a dead forum when I was younger, I’m totally fine”




Lmao

We are NOT, in fact, totally fine. We're a hosed up demographic that argue about stairs and call ourselves goons and worship a brokeback hand grenade.

err
Apr 11, 2005

I carry my own weight no matter how heavy this shit gets...
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1730618945374146788
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1730626945992253912

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Horizon Burning posted:

there's a particular type of person who doesn't want to face up to the fact that maybe television/video games/internet/smartphones/social media/iap etc. are deleterious to developing minds, if not adult minds too. some of them of the average goon generation who grew up with a dial-up modem, a bulky desktop, and webforums also probably don't comprehend how different the internet is when you have a smartphone thrust in your hands from age 2 and everything is about money or selling yourself.

to join in on the chorus of horror school tales: I worked at a school where it was discovered that an under-age student was posting fetish porn of themselves via tumblr and patreon. some of it had been made at the school, but not within school hours. we found out because someone doxxed the student. it was a clusterfuck.

edit: well this sure is a snype

Hell is empty and all the devils are here

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