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Samuel Glompers posted:My take is liberals have a very dim idea of social reproduction that's confined by idealism, thinking that media, shows, and education teaching people to be the liberal model of a good citizen is the entirety of how you create one.* Also in Canada, it's a particular obsession of the Ukrainian diaspora because their kids and especially their grandkids, are not feeling it at all, and they believe they have to use their influence with the Canadian government and political parties to push it through. It's mentioned in that research paper on the Canadian diaspora and public memory.
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Rank which diaspora is worse: Cuban Americans or Ukrainian Canadians. I know my answer.
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ARACHTION posted:Rank which diaspora is worse: Cuban Americans or Ukrainian Canadians. I know my answer. i do love a cuban sandwich....
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Frosted Flake posted:Someone quite astutely pointed out when the Hunka thing happened that the LPC, I'd go further and say Canadian politics generally, have moved heaven and earth to court two diasporas that are fundamentally at odds over basic questions of history (who perpetrated the Holocaust, and was it bad?). Now, that's typically been papered over because it's all compartmentalized, everybody gets their cultural funding from Heritage Canada, most people don't pay attention when it's Whatever Day, and there's a little speech in parliament, or some statue is dedicated, but it has consequences. First, Canada can Stand With Ukraine and Israel, and make speeches about our historical connection to both, playing to their diasporas, but those messages have to be carefully managed, again, the streams can never cross. If you're talking about Israel and Ukraine, I don't think the right-wing parts of those diasporas are at odds with each other on that particular history at all.
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mediaphage posted:i do love a cuban sandwich.... Cuban sandwich > pierogis
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ARACHTION posted:Cuban sandwich > pierogis
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ARACHTION posted:Rank which diaspora is worse: Cuban Americans or Ukrainian Canadians. I know my answer. Half the Ukrainian disapora came here before World War II and were a significant contribution to prairie socialism and why we have labour rights at all in this country, they just got brutally suppressed by the other half post war in a deliberate strategy by our government.
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Curating a tier list of preferred ethnicities, leftishly
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DynamicSloth posted:Half the Ukrainian disapora came here before World War II and were a significant contribution to prairie socialism and why we have labour rights at all in this country, they just got brutally suppressed by the other half post war in a deliberate strategy by our government. Iirc, Florida was home to liberals and socialists opposed to Fulgencio Batista prior to the Cuban Revolution and, just like in Canada, the CIA and FBI helped the post-revolution right wing Cubans take over all of their newspapers, radio stations and community organizations after 1958.
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DynamicSloth posted:Half the Ukrainian disapora came here before World War II and were a significant contribution to prairie socialism and why we have labour rights at all in this country, they just got brutally suppressed by the other half post war in a deliberate strategy by our government. Our operation Paperclip just got random waffen ss members while the US got all the scientists.
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RealityWarCriminal posted:the cereal i buy cost 5.99 for most of this year. in septembre it went to 8.49. then the heads of the grocery stores were dragged before parliament, and soon after the price went back to 5.99. now it's gone back up to 7.99. parliament is working hard to save you money. update on this: back down to 5.99 are they trying to game the inflation reports or what
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MonsieurChoc posted:Our operation Paperclip just got random waffen ss members while the US got all the scientists. iirc Canada got a total of 58 German scientists and technicians and like 20 000 camp guards. It's part of what led to the commission in the 80's. The Wiesenthal Centre couldn't understand how we had so few German scientists and assumed we were hiding them. The reality was much funnier.
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Frosted Flake posted:iirc Canada got a total of 58 German scientists and technicians that include concentration camp doctors?
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:that include concentration camp doctors? lol I never thought to look. After the Hunka thing, the government promised to uncensor the named redacted in the report.
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I know a french collabo who worked with Klaus Barbie escaped to Qubec where he became director of the Sorel hospital. I know this because he operated on my great grandma and botched it. https://numerique.banq.qc.ca/patrimoine/details/52327/2769964
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ARACHTION posted:Cuban sandwich > pierogis Embrace the multicultural mosaic with a Cuban pierogi 
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How did we end up with irredentist Sikh and Tamil diasporas anyway? They didn't lose a chapter of the Cold War, and I don't know why the US or UK would want us to have them, so there must be something novel about it.
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RealityWarCriminal posted:update on this: back down to 5.99 i've noticed prices dropping on a couple of things i buy actually, though probably not where it was right as covid took off. we might be expected to see this price drop and forget historical pricing and thus think yeah inflation not too bad
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Frosted Flake posted:lol I never thought to look. After the Hunka thing, the government promised to uncensor the named redacted in the report. I'll believe they will do it once it's done. Not before.
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Kitchener centre just elected a green MPP. ONDP will learn nothing from their blunders
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I cant even pronounce holodomor Im certainly not gonna learn about it
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isnt that the big guy from game of thrones?
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ZShakespeare posted:isnt that the big guy from game of thrones? Thats the Potato Famine you're thinking of
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i got vaccinated for nothing???
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hadji murad posted:I cant even pronounce holodomor Im certainly not gonna learn about it 
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Saalkin posted:Kitchener centre just elected a green MPP. ONDP will learn nothing from their blunders This will only be a problem in ridings where there are a bunch of NDP activists.
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holodomor, end progrom
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According to Ukrainian SS members 10 million Ukrainians were starved to death by Stalin. According to actual reality it was around 1 million. If you add up the victims of the holocaust in Ukraine (~2 million Jews, 3 million other ethnicity, 2.5 million deported to Germany as slaves) you almost make up the difference 🤔🤔🤔.
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Tighclops posted:holodomor, end progrom
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I don't get it. I don't know much about it, but what's the issue with Holodomor education?
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Fidelitious posted:I don't get it. I don't know much about it, but what's the issue with Holodomor education? In a vacuum, nothing, it's a notable event that students should learn about. People are skeptical because the minister in charge went out and said that the motivation for adding it to the curriculum is purely partisan (that's why it was brought up in the first place): The NPC posted:
... and correspondingly that certain inconvenient facts about Canadian history may not be included, like tbis:: DynamicSloth posted:Half the Ukrainian disapora came here before World War II and were a significant contribution to prairie socialism and why we have labour rights at all in this country, they just got brutally suppressed by the other half post war in a deliberate strategy by our government. I don't remember learning virtually anything about either the Holodomor or Ukrainian immigration in grade 7-8 or whenever it was (it may have been covered briefly but evidently didn't stick). I do remember spending a lot of time on the Boer War and the Dreyfus affair and then somehow running out of time to cover anything post-WW2.
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Fidelitious posted:I don't get it. I don't know much about it, but what's the issue with Holodomor education? uh oh you said that in cspam i can hear the tankies coming...
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Precambrian Video Games posted:In a vacuum, nothing, it's a notable event that students should learn about. People are skeptical because the minister in charge went out and said that the motivation for adding it to the curriculum is purely partisan (that's why it was brought up in the first place): I distinctly remember being taught about ukrainian immigration to the prairies in school in ontario during the 90s/early 2000s, but nothing about the holodomor
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It was a term invented in the 1980's in Edmonton (sincerely) as part of a project led by a literal Nazi (sincerely), which has received a half century of support from the Canadian government. Prior to the Orange Revolution, and particularly Maidan, historians in Ukraine rejected the concept entirely and the public had no interest in it.
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Fidelitious posted:I don't get it. I don't know much about it, but what's the issue with Holodomor education? a hundred years ago there was a famine and a bunch of people died, in many places within the ussr every academic between then and 2014 agreed that there was absolutely no evidence that it was targeted or intentional and could not possibly have been a genocide, especially since the soviet archives were opened and no one could find evidence of the standard "we're gonna do genocide" "okay but that's genocide are we gonna do it still?" "yeah totally we're explicitly intending to kill this specific group of people knowingly" that accompanies every other genocide by definition. but knowing basic history makes you a tankie because some dutch twitter account who a couple years ago was dropping n bombs and talking about international jewry now has a cartoon dog av and is extremely dedicated to making sure people know that the holocaust wasn't such a big deal and that the soviets were worse than the nazis in every regard being ukrainian, this is an extremely depressing and tiring topic because 90% of people have zero knowledge of it and the other 9.9% are proudly declaring they've been successfully propagandized by genuine nazis (while calling themselves true leftists) so when the education minister of ontario declares that they're putting nazi revisionism into the curriculum people who know anything about anything or who think that fascism is bad might consider it a bad thing.
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Imagine you just did the Holocaust but instead of facing justice you get to move to Canada with many of your war criminal SS friends and tell the west all about how actually the evil soviets killed all of those people not us. then it becomes official history because anti-communism is the only guiding principle left to the west. that's the holodomor.
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Puppy Burner posted:Imagine you just did the Holocaust but instead of facing justice you get to move to Canada with many of your war criminal SS friends and tell the west all about how actually the evil A German researcher found that the Ukrainian diaspora has kept Judeo-Bolshevism alive and thats why their main goal is eclipsing the Holocaust, and why they created the neologism as well. Ill link the paper when I get back to my desk.
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Karach posted:It's this. He doesn't understand what being Zionist means as an intellectual commitment. For him, there's some big brain doing the thinking somewhere else, and it has told him that the world is divided into pro-semites and anti-semites, and that these are inherent qualities a person has from birth. He can't recognize that somebody might have a genuine political disagreement with Israel, even its very existence, because he doesn't think bigger than "right wingers hate taxes, left wingers love social programs." he understands. liberal zionists are ethnonationalists who dont want to admit it.
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Juul-Whip posted:why are people so obsessed with the middle school classroom as a place of ideological indoctrination? don't they know 95% of those kids are just watching the clock? they know that middle school is the apex of a child's rear end in a top hat character arc and want to strike while that iron is White hot
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