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Just curious if there's a consensus on 12 speed chains. It's for grx 820 so I'm assuming KMC VS Shimano. Any big difference in lifespan?
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My new cassette arrived today. I got the chain whip the other day. Just waiting on the lock ring tool....
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Dec 2, 2023 03:01
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Math You posted:Just curious if there's a consensus on 12 speed chains. It's for grx 820 so I'm assuming KMC VS Shimano. Any big difference in lifespan? https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/product/12-speed-chain/ Check the info down in the "description" section - Shimano best for wear but YBN faster?? Edit - more here https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/latest-zero-friction-cycling-news-chain-efficience-vs-longevity/
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Math You posted:Just curious if there's a consensus on 12 speed chains. It's for grx 820 so I'm assuming KMC VS Shimano. Any big difference in lifespan? I've learned that the consensus is when you wax it karate kit style your own lifespan becomes the limiting factor over the chains.
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Dec 2, 2023 03:25
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Lol that's great
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Dec 2, 2023 03:27
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I love how hard they committed to the bit here
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Math You posted:I'm getting a new gravel bike and figured if I were going to switch that'd be the time, but don't want to go through the process every time I ride on crushed gravel. The point is that you don’t need to go through the process at all after doing it once. Your chain will be fine after crushed gravel. Hours of heavy rain and mud will wash the wax off eventually, but it’s do far worse to an oiled chain. vikingstrike posted:Squirt gets you like 99% of the benefit with no crock pots needed, just a degreasing to start. Squirt is crap, doesn’t last 100km. There are 10 better drip wax products at this point. TobinHatesYou posted:The only scenario where it's iffy is in truly wet/rainy conditions as it's a poor surface protectant. The surface layer will abrade off and it won't redistribute itself on the exterior of the chain, leading to surface rust. This happens somewhat in muddy conditions too, but surface rust is a lesser evil than sand/dirt/etc getting into the chain. There’s a new UFO Drip for wet conditions that I might try at some point. There’s also Tru Tension Bananaslip Tungsten all weather, which is a drip wax that reviewed well on bicyclerollingresistance, claims to hold up in the wet and helpfully only needs to set for 5 minutes before use. And it’s cheap. Generally slightly less clean and oily equals better rust protection.
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Dec 2, 2023 09:57
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Platystemon posted:Microplastics and forever chemicals are bad. Is wax a forever chemical? I’m quite sure that immersion waxing is the cleanest least wasteful lubrication method, considering the lack of repeating chain stripping and drivetrain degreasing, the longer life of components, and the fact that the wax is pretty benign. People burn it. tarlibone posted:I love it. All bikes had steel frames until the 70s. numberoneposter posted:any recommendations on baby balance bikes? they all seem pretty similar. my baby in question is 16 months. Get one used from the local family with a nice one (Does frog exist there?) who’s kid just grew out of theirs, save money, give it away again in a couple of years.
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Dec 2, 2023 10:13
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wooger posted:Is wax a forever chemical? No wax is not a forever chemical but PTFE is. Use plain parrafin wax please. And just because people burn it, doesn't mean it's a good idea to huff it. A study conducted at South Carolina State University found that with paraffin candles, this combustion process also releases toxic chemicals such as toluene, which is a benzene derivative, a known carcinogen for humans" Please wax your chain in a well ventilated area and if your wax starts to smoke its too hot.
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Dec 2, 2023 10:36
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wooger posted:Get one used from the local family with a nice one (Does frog exist there?) who’s kid just grew out of theirs, save money, give it away again in a couple of years.
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Dec 2, 2023 12:22
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wooger posted:The point is that you don’t need to go through the process at all after doing it once. Your chain will be fine after crushed gravel. Which wax lube do you like? I use squirt and toss a bit on before every ride.
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Dec 2, 2023 15:20
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wooger posted:
Probably talking about the “clunkers” that they fitted balloon tires to and raced down Mt Tam on back in what’s considered the birth of downhill MTBing Of course off road riding existed before then in general though Having ridden down Repack on my gravel bike once, that they ripped down that drifting corners is kinda nuts (it’s just a fire road but decently steep with off camber corners)
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Dec 2, 2023 17:26
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wooger posted:Heavy junk bikes? They were just using touring bikes, now rapidly becoming a lost branch in the family tree. As simultaneously people end up recreating them with $500 of strap on bags as ‘bikepacking rigs’ Levitate posted:Probably talking about the “clunkers” that they fitted balloon tires to and raced down Mt Tam on back in what’s considered the birth of downhill MTBing Yeah, I'm talking about the modified clunkers specifically; those were the ones featured in the previously referenced video. They hadn't invented the term "mountain biking" yet, apparently; the narrator referred to the activity as "California clunking." And yeah, I know all the old bike had steel frames. The operative word in that phrase was "old." I remember my first aluminum bike; I'd never felt anything so light.
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wooger posted:Heavy junk bikes? They were just using touring bikes, now rapidly becoming a lost branch in the family tree. As simultaneously people end up recreating them with $500 of strap on bags as ‘bikepacking rigs’ at least surly still understands this
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I’m sorry my experience offends wooger Somehow I’ll survive For reference, I’ve used Squirt on a 200km with on and off rain without issue. There may be better but it’s not as bad as you sound. vikingstrike fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Dec 2, 2023 |
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Dec 2, 2023 22:33
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I honestly just have trouble justifying two more appliances for chain waxing
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Dec 2, 2023 23:07
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Crockpot and what? Ultrasonic cleaner? Yeah don’t get an ultrasonic cleaner just for degreasing chains. It’s way overkill.
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Dec 2, 2023 23:34
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Put your chain in a plastic food container, close the lid and shake it while yelling "ULLLLLTRA SOOOOOOOONIC!!!!!" and its just as good.
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Dec 2, 2023 23:53
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n8r posted:Which wax lube do you like? I use squirt and toss a bit on before every ride. Squirt (and other wax lubes) needs like 8-12 hours to dry in pretty average conditions, so I hope you mean after every ride.
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Can we talk about putting chains on the chainwax some more? The promise of immortal components and forever clean chains with the only trade-off of having to perform some alchemic ritual in my very manly garden shed aka n+1 hideaway sound irresistable. I have a small back-up oven in said man-cave, would an oven with an old baking tray also work instead of a slow cooker ?(I only like to N+1 on bikes, not on kitchen appliances). The oven goes as low as 50C.
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Dec 3, 2023 17:45
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If you have a small dutch oven this could work. You just need to melt the wax before dipping the chain. Awaiting the Path Less Pedaled video on how wood burning stoves are better for chain waxing. Or over a campfire lol
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amenenema posted:Awaiting the Path Less Pedaled video on how wood burning stoves are better for chain waxing. Or over a campfire lol
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Dec 3, 2023 18:42
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You can get a new crock pot for like $20. Mine was $4 at a thrift store. They're probably the easiest and best way to do this. All you do is turn it on, come back later when wax is melted, put chain in there. swirl it around, let it sit for awhile, then hang it up.
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jamal posted:You can get a new crock pot for like $20. Mine was $4 at a thrift store. They're probably the easiest and best way to do this. All you do is turn it on, come back later when wax is melted, put chain in there. swirl it around, let it sit for awhile, then hang it up. But we're not al in cheese fondue prevalent countries. Where I'm from this is witchcraft material.
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They're also called slow cookers I normally put the chain on top of the wax when everything is still cold so it warms up with the wax, I tell myself this leads to better coverage because all the metal has expanded fully
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While they're not common kitchen appliances in every country, slow cookers should be easy to get on, say, Amazon. A small (1.5 qt/L) name-brand Crock Pot® is around $30 USD, and off-brand models are less expensive. They're extremely simple devices, so buying the brand name absolutely isn't necessary. You don't even need one with any special features; just a basic slow cooker will work fine. If you're wax-curious, it's worth the investment--and that's coming from a guy who lubes his chains with 3-In-One® oil. Worst case scenario, you end up not liking waxing your chains, and you clean the pot so you can use it to slow-cook some food, or keep cooked food warm. I won't say that I use my slow cookers all the time, but they get used a few times a year, and every time, it's the perfect cooking appliance for the job. In fact, we're going to use the big one today for some pot roast.
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Any reason people buy a dedicated crock pot and not just use a liner? https://www.amazon.com/Reynolds-Kitchens-Premium-Cooker-Liners/dp/B00IE76Q7M
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Can you recycle those?
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honda whisperer posted:Any reason people buy a dedicated crock pot and not just use a liner? Honestly, I'd think that a chain might have a good chance of tearing the liner, defeating the whole purpose of the liner. Also, a cheap, dedicated, 1.5-qt/L slow cooker doesn't cost very much.
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honda whisperer posted:Any reason people buy a dedicated crock pot and not just use a liner? because slow cookers are cheap as poo poo, it's not hard to understand
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You don't have to use a crock pot by any means. A pot on a stove (with a proper low setting, it should be far less than a simmer), will work. Putting a bag in hot water will work. Just because it's easiest doesn't mean you need to talk people into buying something they need to go out of their way to acquire. Personally I am going to use my wax iron for the memes. If it's good enough for my snowboard it's good enough for my chain!
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Waxing is messy. If someone has room for a dedicated waxing crockpot, they absolutely should go that route.
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Is a waxed chain going to survive a wet and snowy and salty winter commute of 32kms?
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I mean do whatever but after you try waxing a chain in the kitchen you'll probably go get a dedicated crock pot to leave full of wax in the garage/basement/whatever.
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honda whisperer posted:Any reason people buy a dedicated crock pot and not just use a liner? This seems like it would be messy when the wax solidifies in it.
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Wait a second--I know what'll convince y'all that you need a dedicated slow cooker for your bicycle chain waxing needs. This is guaranteed to work, and I'm gifting this idea to any businessperson who wants to revolutionize an entire industry. Just follow these steps:
Normally, I'd do the whole South Park thing where the penultimate step is "???" and the last step is "Profit!", but let's face it--if you even consider doing what I'm suggesting, you're probably already getting richer. It's not hard to separate a cyclist from their money.
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tarlibone posted:Wait a second--I know what'll convince y'all that you need a dedicated slow cooker for your bicycle chain waxing needs. This is guaranteed to work, and I'm gifting this idea to any businessperson who wants to revolutionize an entire industry. https://www.cyclowax.com/products/clean-chain-starter-kit Don't buy this.
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... I mean... it's... oh wow. I just got pwned by reality.
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lol that it's basically exactly that
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tarlibone posted:... I mean... it's... oh wow.  it's too perfect
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