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league of legends players will be happy to know that drakengard december has formally started
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old urgot ult was dumb as hell and new urgot ult is p dope
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Dec 1, 2023 15:04
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The only rework I do not not like is Graves, but that ship has sailed at this point
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Dec 1, 2023 15:12
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i dont like asols rework at all. they took a clunky jank champ nobody plays and made him into a different clunky jank champ nobody plays
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Dec 1, 2023 15:14
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Endorph posted:i dont like asols rework at all. they took a clunky jank champ nobody plays and made him into a different clunky jank champ nobody plays But he's a lot cooler with his new ult. The old one was remarkably boring/sad looking. Also I played both and liked both, but the new one feels like it fits his grandiosity a lot.
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Dec 1, 2023 15:19
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Riot has a bad habit of overusing a mechanic when they're convinced that they're really onto something, in ye olde it was "wait, you can make melee heroes viable by giving them sustain and a dash" and now its "what if we made AP Carries come online even slower by giving them a stack minigame" At least with Kayn being melee range & dependent on ranged/melee heroes it compels the Kayn player to do stupid poo poo you can capitalize on, Veigar/Syndra/Asol/Viktor is just "do the things you already need to do, or they'll get stronger", it was only novel when Veigar had it Also yeah, old Asol was a balance headache but he was also actually unique with his early ganks at odd angles/inability to use bushes/hyperspecific positioning, newsol is just an AP carry, but his ultimate has two cooldowns. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Dec 1, 2023 |
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Dec 1, 2023 15:24
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the funniest part of new asol is that if a game goes long he starts autoexecuting people at like 25% health
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Dec 1, 2023 15:41
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Yeah Asol late game now is just a champ you need to have sustained multiple head injuries to lose with.
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Dec 1, 2023 16:08
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ahhh but assassins so scary
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Dec 1, 2023 21:18
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Servaetes posted:new urgot's update was really good and i like his ult a lot more than a very janky version of a dota hero's ult This is correct. They should put it on the new crystal drake and make everyone play dominion.
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Dec 1, 2023 21:32
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Neurolimal posted:Riot has a bad habit of overusing a mechanic when they're convinced that they're really onto something, in ye olde it was "wait, you can make melee heroes viable by giving them sustain and a dash" and now its "what if we made AP Carries come online even slower by giving them a stack minigame" Nah, the Syndra/Asol/Viktor stacks are there to make you very annoyed when other people insta clear the wave in ARAM.
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Dec 1, 2023 21:35
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Hellioning posted:Nah, the Syndra/Asol/Viktor stacks are there to make you very annoyed when other people insta clear the wave in ARAM. Asol stacks you get so long as the minions die in the Death Zone, which makes him even more of an ARAM terror.
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Dec 1, 2023 22:26
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Monicro posted:oh there were some really, REALLY bad posts in the tviv thread what were they saying
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Dec 1, 2023 22:36
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Endorph posted:league basically removed all the interesting abilities in the game via reworks. urgot ult, asol orbs, etc. everything is just dashes, damage, and skillshots, and some flavor of % health damage. They got rid of his ORBS!?! I swear to god one of these days I'm going to check up on how this game is doing and someones going to tell me Karthus' ult isn't global anymore.
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Dec 2, 2023 08:01
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Whitenoise Poster posted:They got rid of his ORBS!?! Well, he still has an orb. Two, arguably.
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Dec 3, 2023 04:38
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Endorph posted:all the game lore is completely contradictory and slapdash I can forgive stuff like old voice lines (takes time and money to correct) but lol at the ping tooltip  Then again this game has such a bad case of spaghetti code that just changing the tooltip will probably cause baron to be untargetable and caitlyn's autos to do double damage
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Dec 3, 2023 05:09
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Quinn still deals double damage with her first ultimate after recalling or respawning In fact she's had this bug for at least longer than a year, at this point they should just add it to the tooltip. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Dec 3, 2023 |
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Dec 3, 2023 05:20
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The whole "summoner" conceit is still bizarre to me
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Dec 3, 2023 08:00
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The Chad Jihad posted:The whole "summoner" conceit is still bizarre to me its a bizarre concept but its even more bizarre that its gone and now theres literally no explanation for what any of this is, if these characters even exist at the same time or place, what a 'summoners rift' or 'nexus' is, etc. the game just exists completely separate from any of its lore, the game is if anything an inconvenience to that lore
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Dec 3, 2023 08:07
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The Chad Jihad posted:The whole "summoner" conceit is still bizarre to me even at the time, it was a halfassed idea to try and explain the game diegetically, and it's telling that it's one of the only major parts of the old lore that they straight up excised when they did the revamp Endorph posted:its a bizarre concept but its even more bizarre that its gone and now theres literally no explanation for what any of this is, if these characters even exist at the same time or place, what a 'summoners rift' or 'nexus' is, etc. the game just exists completely separate from any of its lore, the game is if anything an inconvenience to that lore trying to explain it at this point probably wouldn't matter that much to anyone - casual players largely ignore the lore as it is, and actual lorehounds were already being driven insane by the runeterran soup that arcane, LoR, and the riot forge games were creating - and so they leave it as a nebulous "all your favorite runeterrans show up for a huge party" deal, like smash bros. with even less handwaving Vermain fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Dec 3, 2023 |
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Dec 3, 2023 08:08
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Whitenoise Poster posted:They got rid of his ORBS!?!
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Dec 3, 2023 08:08
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The concept of Summoners is just a thing they ripped from Magic: The Gathering (or anything similar which has played with the meta conceit ala Ellimist). Powerful wizards are engaging in inconsequential magic duels by invoking historical figures [within the setting]. The guy on the other team slinging slurs is actually an intimidating sorceror slinging spells. Basically, this is League of Legends: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNOVqNOLWbc The funny thing about them going out of their way to retcon Summoners is that they replaced it with....Nothing! They just made the game noncanon for the hell of it. Nothing they've added contradicts the premise of wizards having fake battles with historical figures, and they've no other explanation for "why is Viego fighting Mordekaiser when one of them is trapped in a spirit realm and the other is a statue", or "why is Malphite human-sized". It was just a silly overture so that Riot could say "NOW we're doing serious stories." Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Dec 3, 2023 |
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Dec 3, 2023 11:51
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I think that's fine for a multiplayer game though, like did DOTA or Overwatch have lore reasons for what was going on? ...Oh god, did they?!
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Dec 3, 2023 19:51
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It's never been the same since the journal of justice ended
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Dec 3, 2023 20:09
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The Chad Jihad posted:I think that's fine for a multiplayer game though, like did DOTA or Overwatch have lore reasons for what was going on? ...Oh god, did they?! original DotA had a vague metaplot of the sentinels vs. the scourge, although i don't know how much of that transferred over to valve DotA. OW ostensibly has each of the maps as being a mission the teams are deployed to, although the diegesis doesn't actually make that much sense with how people are teaming up with mortal enemies and the like i think valorant's the only one that's actually tried to square the circle by making dimensional crossovers a core conceit of the narrative, so jett fighting another jett isn't just a funny quirk of gameplay but an explicit element of worldbuilding
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Dec 3, 2023 20:12
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The Chad Jihad posted:I think that's fine for a multiplayer game though, like did DOTA or Overwatch have lore reasons for what was going on? ...Oh god, did they?! team fortress 2 has lore, but it's all absurdly goofy on purpose
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Dec 3, 2023 20:16
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The Chad Jihad posted:I think that's fine for a multiplayer game though, like did DOTA or Overwatch have lore reasons for what was going on? ...Oh god, did they?! its just a little silly for the devs to self-suck about Lore and have spinoff RPGs and comics and stuff and an entire netflix series that won awards and then the source game is if anything a mild embarrassment to those things' existence.
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Dec 3, 2023 20:24
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Summoners still exist I believe and the Rift is basically them playing with their action figures. The Howling Abyss though exists within Runeterra (and is one of the big locations in Song of Nunu) so what ARAM is is anyone’s guess.
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Dec 3, 2023 22:37
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DotA 2 gameplay is canonically the two Ancients (Radiant and Dire) running simulations of their final grand fight with infinite permutations of who they manage to take control of and have work for them to determine who will win in their final fight. Basically they're playing an infinite mental game against eachother until they are satisfied and make the "real" war happen.
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Dec 4, 2023 02:00
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If I had to hazard a guess, I'd assume that Riot writers feared that Summoners would do what Multiverses do: cheapen the brand & the weight of the story by rendering everyone replaceable. They're entirely wrong, but I get the concern. Just as in MtG the events of the world have happened, they're not being rewritten on a whim. Summoners are wargame nerds moving German & Russian tanks around on a table, WW2 still happened. If anything it enriches the universe by offering the opportunity for the audience to engage themselves with the story; you're right there, a twiggy nerd apprentice in a vague future wizard world, observing and demonstrating your mastery of the world's heroes. A player who knows everything about the game in-universe becomes equitable to a venerated historian. Faker is Dumbledore. Lord_Magmar posted:DotA 2 gameplay is canonically the two Ancients (Radiant and Dire) running simulations of their final grand fight with infinite permutations of who they manage to take control of and have work for them to determine who will win in their final fight. This is a great premise because it makes the bickering about meta, demands to harm certain heroes, winrate spreadsheet websites all facets of the story. When you argue about how Muerte is way too powerful to not pick/ban, you're acting out Radiant's internal debate. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Dec 4, 2023 |
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Dec 4, 2023 03:40
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I think like one Runeterra cards has a joke about Summoners being Wizard gods that never leave their cave, so they might exist but they're such big nerds no one would ever know.
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Dec 4, 2023 04:09
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the old writing wasnt good by any standard (he jests until someone dies, and then he laughs), but gragas being a guy who accidentally made himself huge brewing magic beer and going to the local town/tavern once a month before getting assaulted by the entire patronage of the bar for being big and rowdy, or maokai being a normal tree who slaughtered all the wizards who accidentally re-animated him during a match of twisted treeline because he doesnt like being sentient are a thousand times more interesting, even if by accident, than the utterly banal and tedious fantasy schlock they vomit out nowadays edit: on the other hand, i guess if i were an executive, id have been sort of annoyed that my entire writing team produced two journal of justice articles (before stopping them because they were... too much effort? it certainly wasnt a quality thing because nothing they've written has ever been good) and a handful of excruciatingly bad judgements every year and literally nothing else for years on end Verviticus fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Dec 4, 2023 |
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Dec 4, 2023 18:43
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That's not true one of them also wrote themselves as dating nidalee and also possibly janna
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Dec 4, 2023 19:57
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The old lore spilled into League of Legends with the same tenacity that it spilled into the brains of its writers, both taxed to contain it.
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Dec 4, 2023 21:15
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The Chad Jihad posted:That's not true one of them also wrote themselves as dating nidalee and also possibly janna and married to ashe, let's not forget
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Dec 5, 2023 00:31
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On the subject of Summoners and DotA2, a few of Valve's recent design choices for their flagship tournaments are close to what I imagine a League of Legends that leaned into "all the players & fans are wizards doing re-enactments" would look like:       The League tourney stages don't necessarily look bad, but they have a more clean, techno look that feels designed for a universe where the cyberpunk skins are the defaults.     
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Dec 5, 2023 00:38
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Taciturn Tactician posted:and married to ashe, let's not forget That's not as weird because Ashe is named after his wife.
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Dec 5, 2023 03:09
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DOTA 2 tournaments look like I'd expect a tournament for a game that supposedly has less than 10 people actively working on it and also loving sucks would look like but I do wish Riot would bring back the minimap floor screen they also used for a few years at Worlds.
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Dec 5, 2023 03:14
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Whatever happened to that new map riot showed off once with the giant spiders. It just got silently killed.
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Dec 5, 2023 05:21
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They spent so much time bug fixing it every patch they just killed it instead.
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Dec 5, 2023 19:37
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