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Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

https://twitter.com/dreamingtulpa/status/1730876691755450572

https://twitter.com/dreamingtulpa/status/1730876774748160336

Things are going got get bad so fast lol

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Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
no occlusion 3/10

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
I can't imagine what this will be used for

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




MRC48B posted:

In this case "Uses water" it means they use water in evaporation cooling towers, which take expensive treated water and send it to the atmosphere to remove heat.

Its not irrigation levels of water use, but its not nothing.

ehh most big heat exchangers are not evaporative cooling towers. most pull from a water source and discharge back into the same water source with thermal pollution.

some portion is going to be evaporative, it really depends physically what is present at the actual location.

if they are using mostly evaporative cooling, that’s pretty funny in a crack ping way.

MLKQUOTEMACHINE
Oct 22, 2012

Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill

Peanut President posted:

As I recall, uber's entire game plan is to become ubiquitous so that they can become vital infrastructure and get government handouts. That's why they work to undercut taxis to run them out of business even if uber is bleeding money constantly (and why they keep getting vc money).

edit: of course the problem being that taxis and food delivery are both luxury items and only morons from san francisco think that being waited on is life or death.

Google "Uber Health" so see where they want to go

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

starkebn posted:

I can't imagine what this will be used for

deception, porno, and both

1glitch0
Sep 4, 2018

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SHE BELIEVES THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS CHANGED MY LIFE #HUFFLEPUFF

starkebn posted:

I can't imagine what this will be used for

Porno, Disney movies, and politicians going hog wild with what they say in public because "Well prove it's real!"

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

Bar Ran Dun posted:

ehh most big heat exchangers are not evaporative cooling towers. most pull from a water source and discharge back into the same water source with thermal pollution.

some portion is going to be evaporative, it really depends physically what is present at the actual location.

if they are using mostly evaporative cooling, that’s pretty funny in a crack ping way.

the rrrealy big ones are usually built next to natural bodies of water for this purpose yes.

but the ones that aren't, including power plants, use evap water cooling. enjoy your pills.

Dylan16807
May 12, 2010

Bar Ran Dun posted:

if they are using mostly evaporative cooling, that’s pretty funny in a crack ping way.

Is it worse to evaporate one ton of water than to heat-pollute 100 tons?

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

Bar Ran Dun posted:

ehh most big heat exchangers are not evaporative cooling towers. most pull from a water source and discharge back into the same water source with thermal pollution.

some portion is going to be evaporative, it really depends physically what is present at the actual location.

if they are using mostly evaporative cooling, that’s pretty funny in a crack ping way.

i know why they don't but a part of me still thinks all evaporative cooling should be using salt water and reclaiming the steam for fresh water. salt is bad sure but there's gotta be a better way

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Bar Ran Dun posted:

ehh most big heat exchangers are not evaporative cooling towers. most pull from a water source and discharge back into the same water source with thermal pollution.

i dont think that's true for data centers. even google, one of the leaders in reducing water consumption by data centers, still has each data center consuming on average 450,000 gallons a day or 4.3B gallons a year company wide.

https://blog.google/outreach-initiatives/sustainability/our-commitment-to-climate-conscious-data-center-cooling/

https://www.gstatic.com/gumdrop/sustainability/2022-us-data-center-water.pdf


and that's consumption, not withdraws. withdraws are higher of course.

poisonpill
Nov 8, 2009

The only way to get huge fast is to insult a passing witch and hope she curses you with Beast-strength.


*gray infomercial guy dooming his state to being uninhabitable because he boiled all the groundwater, then spilling a huge glass of water all over his counter*

“There’s got to be a better way!”

Dylan16807
May 12, 2010
Desalination is cheap enough to let datacenters buy unlimited water. 450,000 gallons can be produced for less than $2000.

It all comes down to proper supply management.

Edit: $1 can buy 1 ton of desalinated water, which can absorb the heat from 600 kWh of power.

Dylan16807 has issued a correction as of 01:51 on Dec 4, 2023

kuarduck
Nov 15, 2012

I'm in disguise, you stupid tart!

starkebn posted:

I can't imagine what this will be used for

Training weapons targeting algorithms

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Dylan16807 posted:

Is it worse to evaporate one ton of water than to heat-pollute 100 tons?

is warm water pollution? I’m not being glib with that response. basically the big heat exchangers alter the aquatic environment where the heat comes out. how one sees that answers that question. The delta the degrees change temperature matters too.

tokin opposition posted:

i know why they don't but a part of me still thinks all evaporative cooling should be using salt water and reclaiming the steam for fresh water. salt is bad sure but there's gotta be a better way

many evaporators operate under a vacuum and also generate brine, brine can be really nasty depending on what was in the source water.

MRC48B posted:

enjoy your pills.

the little mini transformers I see in transit for the bit coin mining make me swear a bit every time. I suppose I should have know the towers on flats were just as bad. now I’m looking at sat images of big data centers and making the engineer inside myself angry.

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

tokin opposition posted:

i know why they don't but a part of me still thinks all evaporative cooling should be using salt water and reclaiming the steam for fresh water. salt is bad sure but there's gotta be a better way

Sorry, these evaporative coolers run at outdoor temperatures which are not hot enough to boil seawater. Yet.

Bar Ran Dun posted:

is warm water pollution? I’m not being glib with that response. basically the big heat exchangers alter the aquatic environment where the heat comes out. how one sees that answers that question. The delta the degrees change temperature matters too

Yes. If you significantly change the temp ranges of a natural body of water you gently caress up the breeding cycles of many organisms, which fail cascades the eco system.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
i would just put a heatsink on the datacenter

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

Bar Ran Dun posted:

is warm water pollution? I’m not being glib with that response. basically the big heat exchangers alter the aquatic environment where the heat comes out. how one sees that answers that question. The delta the degrees change temperature matters too.

everything about industrial capitalism is stupid and wasteful and dumb and bad for you, or else it wouldn’t get built

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Bar Ran Dun posted:

is warm water pollution? I’m not being glib with that response. basically the big heat exchangers alter the aquatic environment where the heat comes out. how one sees that answers that question. The delta the degrees change temperature matters too.

under the clean water act section 316, yes

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck

1glitch0 posted:

Porno, Disney movies, and politicians going hog wild with what they say in public because "Well prove it's real!"

omg Hilary was right, we're gonna need verrit codes for all videos from now on

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

Dylan16807 posted:

Desalination is cheap enough to let datacenters buy unlimited water. 450,000 gallons can be produced for less than $2000.

It all comes down to proper supply management.

Edit: $1 can buy 1 ton of desalinated water, which can absorb the heat from 600 kWh of power.

you could have bought 10 tons of water instead of registering and yet here we are

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

starkebn posted:

I can't imagine what this will be used for

Butlerian Jihad propaganda

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Goa Tse-tung posted:

Butlerian Jihad propaganda

it unironically owns that the people who need the internet to make insane amounts of money are going to destroy it by making any and all information completely worthless

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
can't wait for wikipedia to embrace AI

all articles generated by LLMs. sure 80% of the facts are hallucinated, but look, the amount of information we host skyrocketed!

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

Truga posted:

it unironically owns that the people who need the internet to make insane amounts of money are going to destroy it by making any and all information completely worthless

snow crash but instead of a mind virus it’s just memetic prions destroying all coherent information

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

eSports Chaebol posted:

snow crash but instead of a mind virus it’s just memetic prions destroying all coherent information

Still a better than average stephenson ending

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

eSports Chaebol posted:

snow crash but instead of a mind virus it’s just memetic prions destroying all coherent information

Gonna rip spice out of my vape pen and hook my brain up to the internet. When I emerge from the ice tub I'll start spewing out the correct answer to my query: "chicken wing air fryer time and temp"

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

eSports Chaebol posted:

snow crash but instead of a mind virus it’s just memetic prions destroying all coherent information

Gonna write a story about how eidolons arrived on earth and hosed up all the information from before 2020 and feed it into every single AI 10^100 times so it just starts using it as a disclaimer for explaining why nothing makes sense anymore

LuxuryLarva
Sep 8, 2023

Hot dude with a cool attitude.
When chatgpt came out sometime last year I downloaded and archived all of wikipedia.

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Keep it well stored in a strong and rugged container in a cool and dry environment because that's pretty much the last bastion of human-generated knowledge ever.

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

https://x.com/mpopv/status/1731108948651229326?s=61&t=mDwlfyNtJXTpSGh0jJzrag

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

It's pretty funny

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

This just sounds like working with Powershell.

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

Some long while back I read a thoughtful article that coined the term "ghostmodernism" for describing the state of interactions online, i.e. when you're commenting on something someone posted online, you're not really communicating with them, you're just communicating with a trace of who they were at some point in the past - the real them is already gone. We're now moving to an even dumber and more disconnected form of the internet where we'll be interacting with mirages of things and people that weren't even real in the first place. I don't have a witty term for it or anything, it's just gonna suck poo poo

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Kit Walker posted:

Some long while back I read a thoughtful article that coined the term "ghostmodernism" for describing the state of interactions online, i.e. when you're commenting on something someone posted online, you're not really communicating with them, you're just communicating with a trace of who they were at some point in the past - the real them is already gone. We're now moving to an even dumber and more disconnected form of the internet where we'll be interacting with mirages of things and people that weren't even real in the first place. I don't have a witty term for it or anything, it's just gonna suck poo poo

:hmmyes: I like that phrasing too

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Kit Walker posted:

Some long while back I read a thoughtful article that coined the term "ghostmodernism" for describing the state of interactions online, i.e. when you're commenting on something someone posted online, you're not really communicating with them, you're just communicating with a trace of who they were at some point in the past - the real them is already gone. We're now moving to an even dumber and more disconnected form of the internet where we'll be interacting with mirages of things and people that weren't even real in the first place. I don't have a witty term for it or anything, it's just gonna suck poo poo

Brought to you by McDonalds!

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
McDonalds!

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

skooma512 posted:

This just sounds like working with Powershell.
as a sysadmin, sorry i mean devops, i like how powershell tries to be "user friendly" by having all commands be named like "Get-ComputerToucher" or "Set-SelfDestructTimer"

unfortunately it has 3 billion commands so you need to look up the one you need anyway, and because every command starts with the same 14 characters, even with tab completion it's a loving nightmare to use

doses and unixes have weird 2-4 letter arcane incantations for command names, but since you look them up anyway this is actually good because even a mildly familiar user ends up being so much faster with it

microsoft has a long history of making poo poo user friendly like that, and i sorta understand it for end-user intended stuff so computer illiterates can use them, even if it doesn't work out in practice most of the time, but why the gently caress are they even doing this poo poo with backend garbage? do they not realize most users will never see that poo poo, and the ones who do will have to look at docs anyway because they're doing poo poo that can turn your computer into a bomb?

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001
powershell is good actually

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Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
it has a few neat ideas, but the execution is so awful it might as well not. the gud stuff's long since been copied, and the bad stuff makes it unsalvagable

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