|
despite the lack of subtlety, Dune probably needed even less to have a chance at sticking for the general public. Maybe if all the characters were muad'dibs and sandworms, instead of just people and whatever the hell the guild navigators are. Coulda been named Spice Farm. or Animal Planet
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2023 23:50
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 12:01 |
|
|
Pepe Silvia Browne posted:sarah silverman is actually a really good person yall She seems kinda bad in that article
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2023 23:59
|
|
|
I like how a big difference between the Atreides and Harkonnen is just that the Atreides exploit while being mildly nice about it, but still exploit. So Herbert is basically saying "If you have to do this, don't be complete psychos." And America in response is basically "nahhhh lmao"
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 00:02
|
|
|
Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:She seems kinda bad in that article Aha, while I don’t actually personally know any comics at her level, I think she genuinely *wants* to be a good person, which puts her way at the top of her peers. Being a great comic requires being charismatic, funny, quick, and very verbal. Intelligence is NOT on that list.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 00:54
|
|
|
Good Soldier Svejk posted:1 and 2 are better, more interesting worlds im watching a 9 hour retrospective on the whole series and nah, NV is at least AS GOOD as FO1 & 2 if not better.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 01:03
|
|
|
Nichael posted:I like how a big difference between the Atreides and Harkonnen is just that the Atreides exploit while being mildly nice about it, but still exploit. So Herbert is basically saying "If you have to do this, don't be complete psychos." And America in response is basically "nahhhh lmao" Pretty much the whole deal with the first book is setting up what's on paper a pretty typical heroic fantasy and then seeing it come apart under the lens of realpolitik where by the end Paul realises he's going to be the face of more horrific bloodshed and destruction than the Harkonnens ever were.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 02:04
|
|
|
im saint germain posted:despite the lack of subtlety, Dune probably needed even less to have a chance at sticking for the general public. Maybe if all the characters were muad'dibs and sandworms, instead of just people and whatever the hell the guild navigators are. Coulda been named Spice Farm. or Animal Planet Dune was a big hit when it came out. Unless ur just talking about DUNC
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 04:22
|
|
|
Nichael posted:I said this just yesterday I think, but if you want a meltdown that makes Silverman's look positively decorous, check out Brett Gelman's. Or don't, because it's disturbing. ♫from the river, to the sea♫ ♫that means you wanna kill me♫
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 04:43
|
|
|
Benagain posted:I'm sorry this got lost in fallout chat but the green knight ruled and was good I hope your friends find a fallout game they enjoy to distract them I would have probably enjoyed it a bit more if there were subtitles so I could hear what people were mumbling
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 04:45
|
|
|
old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 05:04
|
|
|
Remulak posted:Aha, while I don’t actually personally know any comics at her level, I think she genuinely *wants* to be a good person, which puts her way at the top of her peers.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 05:35
|
|
|
There were some jokes about how they're gonna recut DUNC II to make it pro-Harkonnens in light of recent events, but it's not particularly hard to read it as a cautionary tale about how the Muslim stand-ins Go Too Far because they're revengeful fanatics.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 07:24
|
|
|
Reports say the series from Conservative outlet The Daily Wire, “Mr. Birchum,” created by and starring Adam Carolla, is based on his junior high wood shop teacher, a character popularized on his KROQ radio program and on Comedy Central’s “Crank Yankers.” https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/4336154-megyn-kelly-roseanne-barr-adam-carolla-daily-wire/
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 09:55
|
|
|
YaketySass posted:There were some jokes about how they're gonna recut DUNC II to make it pro-Harkonnens in light of recent events, but it's not particularly hard to read it as a cautionary tale about how the Muslim stand-ins Go Too Far because they're revengeful fanatics. It's on a kind of Lawrence of Arabia level where the Fremen are heroic because they know true freedom compared to the scheming, plotting imperial subjects but also this freedom makes them unknowable and terrifying, and any Imperial subject who spends too long among them will "go native" and be unable to reintegrate. Worth noting explicitly too that the reason Herbert was able to write so prophetically about the perils of Middle East intervention is that mucking around in Afghanistan has been the folly of various Empires for over a hundred years now.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 10:14
|
|
|
josh04 posted:It's on a kind of Lawrence of Arabia level where the Fremen are heroic because they know true freedom compared to the scheming, plotting imperial subjects but also this freedom makes them unknowable and terrifying, and any Imperial subject who spends too long among them will "go native" and be unable to reintegrate. I think you're projecting more idealism onto the Fremen than Herbert does, at least apart from their portrayal as unstoppable killing machines
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 10:31
|
|
|
Not heroic as in morally pure, more in the Greek sense where it's a society that values and follows heroic individuals and noone who doesn't command respect first will ever be truly obeyed. Morally again it's Lawrence of Arabia poo poo, "life is cheap to the Arab" etc. Paul has to come teach them how to subdue political unrest by implementing a bureaucratic class rather than single combat.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 11:02
|
|
|
josh04 posted:Not heroic as in morally pure, more in the Greek sense where it's a society that values and follows heroic individuals and noone who doesn't command respect first will ever be truly obeyed. Morally again it's Lawrence of Arabia poo poo, "life is cheap to the Arab" etc. Paul has to come teach them how to subdue political unrest by implementing a bureaucratic class rather than single combat. Mmm fair enough. I dont remember dune messiah well enough to recall how the post-conquest Fremen society is portrayed
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 11:42
|
|
|
I've only read the first one so may well be it goes weirder places after that, yeah
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 11:47
|
|
|
Has "Obliterated" been mentioned in this thread before? I caught it on Hasan's stream yesterday, and it looks like the best tv show ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MNfBHFhnNs The main character is called Chad McKnight. e: oh yeah it's not satire. It's full blown jingoism. busalover has issued a correction as of 12:46 on Dec 4, 2023 |
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 12:43
|
|
|
busalover posted:Has "Obliterated" been mentioned in this thread before? I caught it on Hasan's stream yesterday, and it looks like the best tv show ever I checked out the first two episodes in and yeah it's not very CSPAM at all. The scene where the All American leader dude goes from promising not to torture a terrorist to violent insanity just by having Born In The USA explained to him was pretty good though. What i thought was interesting about the show is how much of the review discourse focused on dick and puke jokes like it was an essentially bad thing to feature bawdy, broad humour. A lot of the Variety review focused on how the premise should have been "elevated" by featuring more "satire" and fewer rear end shots -- as if the only kind of satire is sober minded. I'm not saying Obliterated shouldn't have been more mocking, it would absolutely have made it a better show. It's no Lexx. However it adds more fuel to my theory that "elevated genre" discourse is about taking undecorous genre stuff and making it all more shiny and middle class.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 13:20
|
|
|
discovering new (to me) microgenres of russian doomer music this morning. post-punk will never die
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 13:49
|
|
|
The Silverman article was so many words
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 14:16
|
|
|
And all of them to basically say "pobody's nerfect"
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 14:23
|
|
|
woke operator posted:discovering new (to me) microgenres of russian doomer music this morning. post-punk will never die *40 year old suburbanite voice* my favorite band is reagan youth
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 14:30
|
|
|
AnimeIsTrash posted:*40 year old suburbanite voice* dude no tk
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 14:48
|
|
|
Pepe Silvia Browne posted:And all of them to basically say "pobody's nerfect" She's really oddly fixated on the hostages taken by Hamas though
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 18:02
|
|
|
anyway reagan youth is hardcore its completely different
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 18:24
|
|
|
Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:She's really oddly fixated on the hostages taken by Hamas though I just hate that every comedian does the bullshit have their cake and eat it too thing of "I have no issue speaking at length about any of these issues as if I were an expert up to the point that someone questions anything I say, that's when I'm just joking around and wanna make people happy, I'm not an expert" Like just stick to your guns or do the stupid "i'm growing I'm changing" apology, but backing away from believing in anything sincerely the moment you get yelled at online and saying "well I guess I'll just stick to telling jokes if everyone hates my opinions so much" is so cowardly lol that's not even getting into that fact that you don't have to be an expert to recognize that Israel is committing genocide
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 18:33
|
|
|
Open Source Idiom posted:I checked out the first two episodes in and yeah it's not very CSPAM at all. The scene where the All American leader dude goes from promising not to torture a terrorist to violent insanity just by having Born In The USA explained to him was pretty good though. Yeah, I'm currently watching it. It's for people who like CoD cut-scenes, but don't want to play a game. Meh.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 21:29
|
|
|
woke operator posted:anyway reagan youth is hardcore its completely different tahts teh same poo poo
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 21:47
|
|
|
Fuligin posted:Mmm fair enough. I dont remember dune messiah well enough to recall how the post-conquest Fremen society is portrayed Messiah has a scene where Paul explains to the audience that he is worse than a hundred Hitlers. Herbert dispenses with any kind of subtlety real quick.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 22:49
|
|
|
hardcore is just punk with band members who practice more often
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 23:08
|
|
|
AnimeIsTrash posted:tahts teh same poo poo ILL KILL YOU
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 23:09
|
|
|
YaketySass posted:There were some jokes about how they're gonna recut DUNC II to make it pro-Harkonnens in light of recent events, but it's not particularly hard to read it as a cautionary tale about how the Muslim stand-ins Go Too Far because they're revengeful fanatics. That's actually made explicit in the sequels, the fremens bloodthirsty superstition is what causes the global jihad against Paul's wishes and he basically becomes christ Then the later books become lovecraft level bigoted but for gay people. Herbert is kinda a oval office Then the even later books I haven't read become even worse apparently. I should get around to them they sound insane
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 23:15
|
|
|
one piece of life advice I fully endorse is "it's never too early to stop reading Dune sequels"
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 23:19
|
|
|
my only knowledge of the dune sequels is a lovely mini series I watched like 20 years ago, and every new story beat sucked. dune wrapped up well enough, never felt like it needed a sequel.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 23:19
|
|
|
I finished God Emperor of Dune two months ago, and... eugh. He talked like the redditor with the most karma, I was just begging anyone to shut him up. Not sure if I'll continue with the series.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 23:20
|
|
|
Imo God emperor is the best one cause it's the most interestingly weird but God drat yeah you realise what a prick Herbert is irl which he's kept moooostly hidden up until then Though Paul's sisters arc is pretty eyebrow raising before that imo
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 23:23
|
|
|
Really, you can just stop reading after the first book and you’re good.
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 23:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 12:01 |
|
|
hardcore and punk rock were both created durting dr. yakubs experiments in creating the white race
|
|
#
?
Dec 4, 2023 23:26
|
|