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I got into 40k when the Heresy was all nebulous and nothing was really known and nothing ever changed and I think after 20 years it's not a bad thing they're moving the setting forward. You can only go so many decades where everything is unknown and nothing ever changes and tomorrow is Armageddon. Novels like Watchers of the Throne and some of the Dawn of Fire ones that explored the move to M42 were great and made me interested in 40k again.
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It's really down to the philosophy of what you want: a story or a game setting. In a story things need to happen. In a game setting things need to have the potential to happen. The game setting is waiting for the players to arrive and start excitedly pushing buttons and pulling levers, moving pieces around on the board. For a game setting, things happening is only good as long as it doesn't close off the potential for things to happen. Evolution isn't a bad thing, but finality is damage.
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Dec 4, 2023 19:06
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We should just be grateful they haven't decided yet to kill or plunge into hell every character and just go "chaos wins lol" like they did with fantasy.
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Dec 4, 2023 19:13
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Looks like game keys are available now through your Owlcat account if you want to play on Steam. GOG/consoles won’t be claimable until launch.
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Dec 4, 2023 19:24
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Anno posted:Looks like game keys are available now through your Owlcat account if you want to play on Steam. GOG/consoles won’t be claimable until launch. I would except their website keeps timing out.
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Eifert Posting posted:Lol, Bobby, It takes most folks less than 10,000 years to realize there's no point in asking their dad for advice. I mean he was stuck in stasis for most of that time, pretty hard for him to have an opinion when he's effectively on ice. As for what he feels about the Imperium, a lot of people have already mentioned that here, but generally speaking he'd tear it all down if he could. Unfortunately, he has kind of been written to be accepting of what the Emperor did as required what with him using Roboute to burn Nurgle's garden. I SINCERELY hope the setting isn't moving towards the Emperor being right all along because that is completely against what the setting was about to begin with, but who can say? As Argebargle said tho, I also prefer the lesser known and mysterious background to the Imperium, because given what we know of the setting, it hinting towards the Emperor actually being a villain or the Imperium being built on lies is much more enjoyable than the fascists being tragic heroes.
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evilmiera posted:I mean he was stuck in stasis for most of that time, pretty hard for him to have an opinion when he's effectively on ice. I think the setting explored in horus heresy puts it pretty bluntly that even if the emperor was powerful, ultra intelligent and super charismatic, the galaxy probably would have been a better place if he didn't ascend to emperorhood. Putting aside his mistakes and follies that led to chaos as a powerful, material force manifesting, his crusade destroyed a lot of intelligent cultures that were open to coexisting and learning from alien races, ones that even understood how to keep chaos in check better than the imperium. I'd be really surprised and disappointed if they reveal in the ending of the heresy that 10 thousand years of inhuman darkness was the emperors plan all along because he could fix it all eventually or something.
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I’d also be a stretch, considering that Chaos gets their best possible worldstate from the Horus Heresy, as is.
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Sharkopath posted:I think the setting explored in horus heresy puts it pretty bluntly that even if the emperor was powerful, ultra intelligent and super charismatic, the galaxy probably would have been a better place if he didn't ascend to emperorhood. Putting aside his mistakes and follies that led to chaos as a powerful, material force manifesting, his crusade destroyed a lot of intelligent cultures that were open to coexisting and learning from alien races, ones that even understood how to keep chaos in check better than the imperium. The lore has danced around the whole idea of the Emperor's fallibility pretty heavily since the HH book series started. There's quite a minor lore drops that not everything is as it seems, from the Emperor being instead the last survivor of some terrible genetic experiment during the Dark Age, to planning to 'retire' the Space Marines once he was done with the crusades and stick all the primarchs in some grand palaces/prisons on Terra to keep them around as needed. Everyone and everything is a tool for him to use, even how the Primarchs were supposedly made for a very specific purpose, like Magnus was going to be the battery for the Astronomican. He's so disconnected from the emotional component of humanity in a way not ever the Primarchs are that tons of the problems he causes come about from simply assuming everyone will just accept his decisions as objectively the best idea for the Imperium as a whole.
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Dec 4, 2023 20:22
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Wait so it's out early on steam or only for people with a beta key?
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Arglebargle III posted:Wait so it's out early on steam or only for people with a beta key? Far as I know it isn't. Some influencers got a key that let them play a revised version of the beta early but the full game is not out yet in the wild.
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Yeah it’s not out out. You can just claim the key to add it to your library now. Also stuff like the soundtrack which I can’t wait to give a listen to when I get home.
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Arglebargle III posted:Wait so it's out early on steam or only for people with a beta key? just to activate, no preloading at the moment There's also keys for a Deluxe DLC pack and a Voidfarer DLC pack, those will probably be day 1 DLC upgrades/packs. Based on some previous leaks its all cosmetic items and some starter equipment.
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Dec 4, 2023 20:56
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This AND Colony Ship? Space rpg gamers eatin good
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Anno posted:Yeah it’s not out out. You can just claim the key to add it to your library now. Oh I didn't know you could claim the key I must have missed that.
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Dec 4, 2023 22:09
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Small update for the era of the game via discord. Beta dates are apparently irrelevant or outdated. Cicatrix Maledictum is already in place
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Buschmaki posted:This AND Colony Ship? Space rpg gamers eatin good Yup. This is our time, right here
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JamMasterJim posted:Small update for the era of the game via discord. Interesting. I kind of would have enjoyed seeing it set in the "past" if only to avoid some of the more recent lore issues, but maybe it's easier to make whatever is supposed to go down in the game canonical?
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JamMasterJim posted:Small update for the era of the game via discord. Oh. Feel like that should come up more lol
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DaysBefore posted:Oh. Feel like that should come up more lol The Koronus Expanse is basically outside the proper Imperium, the Rogue Traders there basically run their own mini empires and travel to and from the Imperium proper for trade via the single safe passage out. As a setting it's about as wild west as it gets and supposedly there's ever chance to find a bunch of human planets the Imperium hasn't ever made contact with. Storytelling wise its ripe for a GM to create some unique and interesting settings that don't require 'lore accuracy' to a settled Imperium environment. If you try to travel back to the Imperium in the Beta, you get a storybook event that says its too risky and dangerous, but if you continue you end up in a game over screen.
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Yeah I get all that. Still, considering they're on the wrong side of the Rift it seems like a hard thing to only mengton in passing
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To be fair, there were discussions and brief mentions before on the Discord and subreddit that the release would see some narrative changes- maybe this is one of them?
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Yeah, they'd need significant changes. Just based on beta there was zero mention of Guilliman, the Rift, or anything M42 related. And we could warp travel easily.
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DaysBefore posted:Yeah I get all that. Still, considering they're on the wrong side of the Rift it seems like a hard thing to only mengton in passing Not that the warp needs to make sense but if the screaming vortex-eye of terror axis is where the rift is, then the calixis and ixaniad sectors should be on the good side and the Scarus and Askellon sectors should be on the bad side.
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Arglebargle III posted:Not that the warp needs to make sense but if the screaming vortex-eye of terror axis is where the rift is, then the calixis and ixaniad sectors should be on the good side and the Scarus and Askellon sectors should be on the bad side. Kornus expanse is in the calixus sector iirc. Looking at the map it's on the other side of the big chaos blob north of terra where the eye of terror is. here.
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Oh I thought the rift went more north than west
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Lassitude posted:Yeah, they'd need significant changes. Just based on beta there was zero mention of Guilliman, the Rift, or anything M42 related. And we could warp travel easily. In the beta there was mention of something that caused you to lose track of where everything was- perhaps that was the Great Rift? And I wouldn't call the Warp travel in RT 'easy'- sure there some stable Warp routes, which I suppose should remain even with the big Chaos rear end in a top hat that's suddenly been torn open, but there were a lot more difficult ones as well, with plenty of ways to get yourself killed fighting Daemons as I recall. The Astronomican's light is dimmed, not extinguished.
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Lassitude posted:Yeah, they'd need significant changes. Just based on beta there was zero mention of Guilliman, the Rift, or anything M42 related. And we could warp travel easily. The amount of times I had to fight a ship level full of demons isn't what I would call "easy'. Even the 'safe' runs usually meant some amount of ship damage.
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So, I'm the guy who's going to be dumb enough to try this game on the Steam Deck -- any reports on how the Beta has handled it? Does it have controller functionality there? I know the final product will...
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pentyne posted:The amount of times I had to fight a ship level full of demons isn't what I would call "easy'. Even the 'safe' runs usually meant some amount of ship damage. That's just regular warp travel. The new trouble post-Great Rift is you can't see the Astronomicon from the Imperium Nihilus side of the Rift so it's hard to figure out where you're going. They have to take a lot of short jumps and can get off-course easily. It's a shame, I was actually hoping we'd see the Great Rift open in-game and have to work through how to sustain a trade empire when warp travel is crippled. Lassitude fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Dec 5, 2023 |
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There is kind of an explanation for why the Expanse wouldn't be too badly affected by the Great Rift: that far out you can't see the Astronomican half the time anyway.
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Arglebargle III posted:There is kind of an explanation for why the Expanse wouldn't be too badly affected by the Great Rift: that far out you can't see the Astronomican half the time anyway. It could also be the in game explanation for why you have none of your old warp charts.
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The soundtrack and art book are not without spoilers (potentially big ones) but both are great if you're okay with that. The soundtrack especially is something.
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Anno posted:The soundtrack and art book are not without spoilers (potentially big ones) but both are great if you're okay with that. I skimmed through it without reading too much text. Final confirmation for something we've all been dreading. No Orks.
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Arglebargle III posted:There is kind of an explanation for why the Expanse wouldn't be too badly affected by the Great Rift: that far out you can't see the Astronomican half the time anyway. Don’t worry, there’s something similar to the astronomican in the Expanse. It’s on Iniquity!
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pentyne posted:I skimmed through it without reading too much text. Final confirmation for something we've all been dreading. I'm getting a refund
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DaysBefore posted:I'm getting a refund
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pentyne posted:I skimmed through it without reading too much text. Final confirmation for something we've all been dreading. YOUZ AVIN A LAFF MATE
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I'm guessing Da Boyz aren't in because if Owlcat are going to introduce them, it'd be in their own DLC, perhaps even with a companion of that misbegotten kind.
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pentyne posted:I skimmed through it without reading too much text. Final confirmation for something we've all been dreading. There better be a DLC for 'undred 'undred Teff.
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