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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Why in all that is holy and scared would you want your vacuum WiFi enabled?!.!. Robot vacuums own mine run’s daily and let me know if it gets stuck on a dog toy or something.
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priznat posted:Getting winter tires put on my v60 phev next week, always a bit of a gamble here because we will either get no snow or more snow than anywhere. Hey I'm waiting on more pics and poo poo of your car 
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Three Olives posted:
Yeah I have one of these. I guess I was more specifically wondering if there were any neat car gadgets that took advantage of having a giant electric battery right to hand, like maybe a really really good portable electric food cooler or something.
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WhiteHowler posted:For those of you with Bolts... Is there really not any app connectivity if you don't pay monthly for the MyChevy/OnStar thing? I can see state of charge, remote start/lock etc and I don't pay for anything, but I recall this might have changed in 2022 or 2023 if you have a newer Bolt than I do:  Edit: looks like the car came with a plan called "connected access": 
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slidebite posted:Hey drat I been slacking. I would like to run it out to Spanish banks for a pic sometime in the same spot as my dear departed (sold) 325iT We about to get hit by an atmospheric river though with a king tide so that area of Vancouver might be submerged soon, RIP.
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kill me now posted:Your vacuum is connected to your home wifi connection. There is no cost for your vacuum to connect to the app. Your car is connected via a 4g lte connection that has a monthly cost to keep active. Does the Bolt not have wifi? It would have cost tens of cents to implement
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QuarkJets posted:Does the Bolt not have wifi? It would have cost tens of cents to implement My '21 Bolt has WiFi. I think the reference to the 4g connection is because cars are frequently in places without Wi-Fi.
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But presumably the manufacturer could access the state of charge over wifi when it's available, right? The 4g doesn't really factor into it, state of charge is paywalled for the sake of being paywalled
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QuarkJets posted:But presumably the manufacturer could access the state of charge over wifi when it's available, right? The 4g doesn't really factor into it, state of charge is paywalled for the sake of being paywalled I agree with you 100%, all the car companies have talked about increasing revenue from subscription services in their shareholder meetings and this is an easy way to do it. I imagine the car companies' justification would range from "we need to be able to provide 100% uptime for this vital service, no matter where the car is" to "lol, pay up, who else can you go to for this? We own the servers!"
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Also "why does this only work at home? Its completely worthless!"
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Walrusmaster posted:I can see state of charge, remote start/lock etc and I don't pay for anything, but I recall this might have changed in 2022 or 2023 if you have a newer Bolt than I do: I can see state of charge but cannot remote start or lock via app. 2022 EUV My plan states: quote:EV Access & Connected Access is included with your vehicle purchase and active through October 22, 2032.
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It's like if Samsung charged a monthly fee to unlock your phone screen, "well data plans cost money" doesn't make any sense as an argument there
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QuarkJets posted:It's like if Samsung charged a monthly fee to unlock your phone screen, "well data plans cost money" doesn't make any sense as an argument there No, its like if an app on your phone charged you a monthly fee to use. Which plenty of apps do.
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kill me now posted:No, its like if an app on your phone charged you a monthly fee to use. Which plenty of apps do. Not really since you payed a lump sum for a physical object and not just code.
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kill me now posted:No, its like if an app on your phone charged you a monthly fee to use. Which plenty of apps do. It’s more like it Apple charged you a monthly fee to use your camera. The functionality and hardware are already there and functional, but locked behind a monthly fee purely for revenue boosting.
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bobfather posted:Once OnStar expires I'm going to take apart a key fob and see if I can use a z-wave dry-contact relay to trigger the remote start sequence. I think it's just lock then hold start for 5 seconds or something. Quoting this to be able to find it later. Yeah I use my Bolt's app to check the charge and occasionally make sure I locked the car. That's really it.
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Dec 4, 2023 23:02
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I guess the Model 3 is about to lose half its tax credit: https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/4/23988031/tesla-elon-musk-ev-tax-credit-model-3
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FlapYoJacks posted:It’s more like it Apple charged you a monthly fee to use your camera. The functionality and hardware are already there and functional, but locked behind a monthly fee purely for revenue boosting. No, its really not The car is the physical product which you don't lose access to, it still functions as a car without the app. The App is something you got to demo with a free trial and was never an intrinsic part of the thing you bought. Its not a physical feature of your car, its an app. It would be like complaining that your Sirius xm trial ended and they required you to pay for the service. You didn't buy app functionality when you bought the car.
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kill me now posted:You didn't buy app functionality when you bought the car. I mean, yeah you did. Though you bought a license to it for x years, not a lifetime one. There's nothing special about this. Honestly if I could turn off my car's ability to connect to the internet I would. I don't want or need an app for my car.
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Volvo is kinda funny because the connectivity is included for 4 years it they don’t have a plan yet for adding more time after that, so I hope it is reasonable as I plan on keeping the car til 2030. It’s nice being able to precondition the car. Although I am pretty hype that it has the ability to put the windows down when you push the unlock button the remote (my 2003 bmw had that ffs). It’s super handy on a hot day.
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kill me now posted:No, its like if an app on your phone charged you a monthly fee to use. Which plenty of apps do. Only if someone tries to defend the fee by saying "well the app has a subscription fee because it needs a data plan to operate"
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I’m gonna need another analogy to help me understand the concept of being made to pay for services. Maybe try sports?
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Cicero posted:I guess the Model 3 is about to lose half its tax credit: https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/4/23988031/tesla-elon-musk-ev-tax-credit-model-3 I mean, the list of cars that would continue to get the full amount is pitifully small isn't it?
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priznat posted:Volvo is kinda funny because the connectivity is included for 4 years it they don’t have a plan yet for adding more time after that, so I hope it is reasonable as I plan on keeping the car til 2030. What are the chances of the modem in the car being compatible with the mobile networks running in 2030?
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dissss posted:What are the chances of the modem in the car being compatible with the mobile networks running in 2030? I don’t think LTE 4G will be gone by then, 3G is still around here.. But worst case it will be Bluetooth phone tethering I suppose.
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priznat posted:I don’t think LTE 4G will be gone by then, 3G is still around here.. But worst case it will be Bluetooth phone tethering I suppose. Does tesla even allow bluetooth tethering? I tought they're all in on using their own data connection.
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Freezer posted:Does tesla even allow bluetooth tethering? I tought they're all in on using their own data connection. Tesla seems to have a somewhat reasonable fee to upgrade the modem in your vehicle. $200 includes installation, and is necessary for vehicles sold prior to June 2015. https://www.tesla.com/support/3g-cellular-network-retirement It's preferable to Ford charging $600 for a necessary modem upgrade in a 2020 vehicle. https://www.reddit.com/r/Ford/comments/sj0r0y/590_cost_to_me_to_replace_obsolete_3g_modem_in_my/
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Freezer posted:Does tesla even allow bluetooth tethering? I tought they're all in on using their own data connection. You can tether a Tesla to a cellular hotspot - that’s what I do instead of paying for Premium Connectivity since I don’t use the data features that often.
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priznat posted:I don’t think LTE 4G will be gone by then, 3G is still around here.. But worst case it will be Bluetooth phone tethering I suppose. LTE will stick around into the 2040s probably. 5G is much more expensive to license and most of the embedded applications don't need the bandwidth. Civil posted:Tesla seems to have a somewhat reasonable fee to upgrade the modem in your vehicle. $200 includes installation, and is necessary for vehicles sold prior to June 2015. At least they gave you the option, while there was really no technical reason they couldn't upgrade the modem, BMW just hosed over all their cars with 3G modems with no option to upgrade, which sucked because BMW did more than basic car integration with their modems. Three Olives fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Dec 5, 2023 |
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Subscription fees are pretty tiny in the context of a car purchase. Just multiply it by the car’s expected lifetime and add it to the purchase cost. It doesn’t feel good to have to pay extra, sure, but I don’t think it amounts to much.
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What’s the newest EV that isn’t connected to the internet? Ioniq/Soul EV? i3?
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Vegetable posted:Subscription fees are pretty tiny in the context of a car purchase. Just multiply it by the car’s expected lifetime and add it to the purchase cost. It doesn’t feel good to have to pay extra, sure, but I don’t think it amounts to much. Or buy a Tesla, which has free basic connectivity including app usage* *for now, until Elon wakes up from a ketamine binge and demands another feature cut.
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The funny thing with my Polestar 2's wifi is I've never been able to get it to see a wireless network across multiple routers and hotspots and apparently this is a common experience. It doesn't really do anything with the wifi connection, anyway.
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Vegetable posted:Subscription fees are pretty tiny in the context of a car purchase. Just multiply it by the car’s expected lifetime and add it to the purchase cost. It doesn’t feel good to have to pay extra, sure, but I don’t think it amounts to much. The fact that subscription fees are even int he discussion of car purchase to me deeply offputting. If there's an app for the car, it needs to be free and nothing in the car should be locked behind a paywall. An example here what I would expect is my e-Bike. To access it's setup needs a seperate app but it's free and using it gives you a bunch of highly useful features. Also they have an api that has allowed a paid app from a third party that really extends the control features with Garmin-like mapping and other features / screens that actually means all you need is a cheap Android device and you can save a few hundred on a bike computer
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Russian Bear posted:What’s the newest EV that isn’t connected to the internet? Ioniq/Soul EV? i3? Some i3s, most have 3G modems that have been sunset, 2018 got an upgraded iDrive system with LTE and Carplay. Honestly I really loved my i3 and had the pricing not be insane at the time I would have bought a used 2021. CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The fact that subscription fees are even int he discussion of car purchase to me deeply offputting. If there's an app for the car, it needs to be free and nothing in the car should be locked behind a paywall. But it is not just an app for the car, it's a data subscription that the car maker has to actively pay a provider for. I think of it like the cable TV model, if you have a connected car, it's using the data connection for a lot of stuff that you may or may not use, if you want battery monitoring you have to buy a bunch of other poo poo too that makes the overall cost palatable to more consumers depending on what features they may or not use. At the end of the day, you car company has to write a check to some cellular company as an ongoing cost, why shouldn't that cost be passed on to you? Three Olives fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Dec 5, 2023 |
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Speaking of car subscriptions, I got a letter today from Sirius XM wanting me to pay for more Sirius XM because the trial period in the id4 expired. Why the gently caress would I want Sirius XM when I have whatever I want to listen to via Android Auto?
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Civil posted:Just wait for those solid state batteries Toyota is releasing in It looks like they'll be releasing a solid-state battery in 2024... in a detachable Bluetooth speaker on the Tacoma. https://www.autoweek.com/news/a45964519/2024-toyota-tacoma-solid-state-battery/ Though I suppose this would make sense as a way to gather data on the real-world performance of their solid-state battery, as well as sort out the issues with mass production on a limited scale before trying to produce enough of them to compete with Tesla.
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I like Sirius XM a lot as a backup and if you call them you can get the subscription for way, way cheaper by just asking
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I'm really not sure how Sirius XM is still a thing, their customer base is the intersection of people who are A) not happy with free car radio, B) too old to know how to use their phone for media, and C) able to afford a monthly subscription for car radio. How is this a successful business model? I don't get it.
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Speaking of car subscriptions, I got a letter today from Sirius XM wanting me to pay for more Sirius XM because the trial period in the id4 expired. Why the gently caress would I want Sirius XM when I have whatever I want to listen to via Android Auto? I have it, they aren't idiots, you can get a subscription for $4.99 if you just tell them gently caress you, I will sign up for your service but not for $20 a month because I already have Spotify. It's nice, it's probably 80% of my listening in the car. QuarkJets posted:I'm really not sure how Sirius XM is still a thing, their customer base is the intersection of people who are A) not happy with free car radio, B) too old to know how to use their phone for media, and C) able to afford a monthly subscription for car radio. How is this a successful business model? I don't get it. It's not what you think it is, I have to give them some credit, they really have evolved. SIriusXM is now some, it's hard to describe, curated playlist thing with a hybrid streaming/broadcasting component? There are tons more stations, many of which are highly specific, some come from satellite, some come from streaming, some a combo of the two. If you switch a station, it automatically picks up from the start of a song, you can replay, skip back multiple songs, there are some OnDemand programs. Three Olives fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Dec 5, 2023 |
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