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AmyL posted:I'll bring up the Hankow Raid since it deals with an instance of 20th Air Force deviating from their philosophy of strategic bombing I would argue it wasn’t much of a deviation beyond utilizing strategic bombing at low altitude to support ground operations rather than industrial targets. In the end it was only possible, if at a high cost, because Japanese AD was so weak.
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Actually I should amend that the US hasn't far surpassed everyone in this department because the imperial Japanese military did impressive work in constructing absurd bureaucracy around their military branches which worked overtime to justify their funding and fight with each other. Maybe the US integrated some of them into the military post WW2 as advisors. The Nazis had a lot to teach the US about reframing defeats as victories and the Japanese really knew how to fatten up branches of a military. The US has done a great job at both since WW2!
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Ardennes posted:I would argue it wasn’t much of a deviation beyond utilizing strategic bombing at low altitude to support ground operations rather than industrial targets. I agree with you almost everything except for the usage of deviation and only because "Sovereign is he who decides on the state of exception", "the exception that proves the rule" that reinforces the primary purpose of the USAF regarding its doctrine: victory through strategic bombing. I used the word deviation because it was something different from the raison d'etre of the USAF and the word was used in the article. Again, I agree with your overall assessment of their performance. Fake edit: I'm glad to see somethings never change. AmyL has issued a correction as of 06:52 on Dec 4, 2023 |
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McNair was killed when USAAF strategic bombers, promising they could achieve an operational breakthrough for the ground forces, accidentally bombed American lines on the first day of Operation Cobra.
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/Ignis_Rex/status/1731171023989661774 Yes, but can it fly in the rain? Cuz if it can, then poo poo gently caress
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Frosted Flake posted:McNair was killed when USAAF strategic bombers, promising they could achieve an operational breakthrough for the ground forces, accidentally bombed American lines on the first day of Operation Cobra. A breakthrough for which side?
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genericnick posted:A breakthrough for which side? Well, see that was the problem. The Army asked them to bomb east-west, parallel the line of contact, following a road. The Air Force didn't want to spend all of that time over German flak, as both major roads and the front line had AAA concentrations, so decided on a north-south approach. So when they dropped their bombs prematurely...
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it's kinda funny to think about the psychos in the US state department trying to wrangle all the different factions and consent manufacturing machines to start a war with China over Taiwan while poo poo like Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Palestine and now possibly Venezuela/Guyana keep happening and distracting everyone.
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There is a reason why using strategic bombers for tactical missions was usually a bad idea until missile technology improved.
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Tankbuster posted:mughals famously let their artillery decay away into nothingness and hired portuguese and italians as artillery officers. sullat posted:The Byzantine nobility hated paying taxes and setting aside land to support the army so they eventually said, "screw it, we'll just rely on mercenaries going forward" and, uh, it did not go well. RaySmuckles posted:not unheard of Frosted Flake posted:As others have said, there's an internal tension within states where the same ruling class that benefits most from expansion doesn't like to pay the cost of maintenance, when the borders are stable. This extended way beyond the Romans and the federated tribes, though that's the best known example. The Byzantines contracted European knights to much of their fighting at various times, which led to the escapades of the Catalan Company, the Persian Empire used Greek mercenaries extensively, pretty much any settled people the bordered pastoral/nomadic people employed them, and of course the Carthaginian were almost destroyed by their own mercenaries. Real hurthling! posted:the ancient MIC was hiring mercenaries that got paid by their generals from war booty so they constantly needed to be attacking stuff, which included the empires hiring them when there was nothing left to attack Real hurthling! posted:it owns that the carthaginian merc war was started because a merc warlord leader named i poo poo you not "spendius" was unhappy with a payment deal. Thanks, everyone. These are great. Really makes me hopeful for the future.
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whats up with Guyana and Venezuela?
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Real hurthling! posted:whats up with Guyana and Venezuela? https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/venezuela-gears-up-for-essequibo-referendum-icj-warns-against-changes-to-status-quo/ my understanding is that Venezuela is about to hold a non-binding public referendum to gauge popular support for claiming the Essequibo region as a Venezuelan state this is a region that is disputed with Guyana, and has for the last 200 years been run as part of/by Guyana the Maduro government claims that these borders were established via illegitimate colonial claims and that they seek to grant Venezuelan citizenship to the residents of Essequibo. the underlying geopolitical implication here is that there are substantial oil deposits in the region the Western (media) position is that Venezuela is gearing up for a Kuwait-esque annexation of Essequibo. Caracas maintains that there is a mechanism of international law that would allow the dispute to be settled diplomatically even if the referendum yields a result in favor of upending the current status quo
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Real hurthling! posted:whats up with Guyana and Venezuela? oil.
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I don't actually know but I'm guessing it's oil https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/bp-wins-contract-market-guyanas-share-oil-production-2022-11-25/
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/venezuela-gears-up-for-essequibo-referendum-icj-warns-against-changes-to-status-quo/ It's a really large part of Guyana geographically, but contains about 100k out of 800k total Guyanese inhabitants. Venezuela held their referendum yesterday and 95% said Essequibo ought to be part of Venezuela. Not sure about turnout though. Also there have been a bunch of protests in Essequibo by the local population saying they want to remain part of Guyana. Again not sure about scale. Lastly, the US has sent marines to Guyana, while Venezuela has moved army formations to the border, which in turn caused Lula to move formations to the adjacent Brazilian/Venezuelan border.
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Frosted Flake posted:Well, see that was the problem. The Army asked them to bomb east-west, parallel the line of contact, following a road. The Air Force didn't want to spend all of that time over German flak, as both major roads and the front line had AAA concentrations, so decided on a north-south approach. So when they dropped their bombs prematurely... theres a great article by ww2 journalist ernie pyle about this (he was caught in the bombing), probably available online somewhere for the curious
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Frosted Flake posted:Well, see that was the problem. The Army asked them to bomb east-west, parallel the line of contact, following a road. The Air Force didn't want to spend all of that time over German flak, as both major roads and the front line had AAA concentrations, so decided on a north-south approach. So when they dropped their bombs prematurely... More like the USAF working perfectly as intended. The memo Some people might say that what I brought up was a failure of some kind to regulate the USAFF by the GHQ and it killed McNair but again, literally working perfectly as intended by a civil servant in charge of a prestigious department.
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A New Vision for the Transatlantic Alliance: The Future of European Security, the United States, and the World Order after Russia’s War in Ukraine The equation is simple. Europe is not secure if Ukraine is not secure, and the United States is not secure if Europe is not secure. quote:Executive Summary
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lol check out the new super soldier grift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVO4SJqIIIw
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This ties into my favourite subject: liberal states hate that soldiers require social relations, they can't be motivated by the market, and they're not machines. Of course they want to privatize via PMC and automatic via unmanned systems everything they can, but it's proven, repeatedly to be impossible. So, a soldier is not a "combat unit mk 1", they're a person, right? So assuming they do all of this poo poo they're talking about, what happens when they discharge that person into civilian life? I mean, because the military sucks (for aforementioned liberal states not understanding human relations), the average western soldier barely manages a 3 year hitch these days. They will spend, by far, the majority of their lives on civvy street. What are the impacts on our society of soldiers who have those qualities? Does it effect the civilian labour market? What are the long term problems and effects of these treatments? They hate it, but they have a lifelong responsibility to veterans. So, growing super-tumours, obviously, that cuts into your recruiting, and that's a VA cost. Idk, it's very funny that we're teetering on this edge and they really still think they have perfect control and can push things as far as they want, but - not an endorsement but a historical perspective - the point where those soldiers kill you for how you're treating them (or what you're doing to society) comes long before the point where you turn them into automatons that behave exactly how you wish and who you have perfect control over.
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Blockade posted:lol check out the new super soldier grift yeah I'm sure the chinese are wasting a ton of money making mutant slave soldiers instead of just building a robot with a gun. I'd say it's too stupid to even grift off of but theranos proved there's no such thing
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Frosted Flake posted:This ties into my favourite subject: liberal states hate that soldiers require social relations, they can't be motivated by the market, and they're not machines. Of course they want to privatize via PMC and automatic via unmanned systems everything they can, but it's proven, repeatedly to be impossible. militaries resist being repurposed for other state functions as well: https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ny-sheldon-says https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-14/department-of-defence-natural-disaster-emergency-response/102857208 People don't want to join the army to fight climate flooding etc.
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Liberal states ran into the problem of "what are militaries for?". I mean, obviously, they know what they want them to do, the maintenance of global empire, but that's not really a draw.
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liberals watched Universal Soldier and wished it were real
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lol that's the stuff of bad movies. Apparently the photogenic scientist there was/is running for president. I wonder if Elon has realized he can get the gov to pay for his monkey electrocuting work.
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Blockade posted:lol check out the new super soldier grift Time to check to see if Albert Wesker is on the board of directors.
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so does Venezuela have an actual military or did Iran sneak over and destroy most of it in the last few years? I'm still not sure about the Gulf War potential brewing in South America with the US going around hat in hand begging for munitions as it is. Are there regional US allies willing to do the bulk of the fighting vs Venezuela? US is always setting up pet leaders but getting them to fight a war for us would be a big ask. It is possible a tripwire force of Americans will be enough to deter Venezuela if they don't want an actual military confrontation, but the empire has never been weaker if someone wants to prove they can stand up to the Northern bully.
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Columbia and Brazil were always the US military's go-to forces in the region, though on the continent broadly they could usually count the Chilean and Argentinian militaries. The French also maintain military forces in French Guyana. I would guess the US relationship with Columbia would be the most important, though I haven't done any map studies or campaign histories on Latin America. From memory, during the wars in South America, the rivers and coasts are both the key terrain and key lines of communication. You'd want to know what the US considers most important, and, based on the map, The areas that can support military operations of any size are concentrated in the top third of country and run east-west.
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FuzzySlippers posted:Actually I should amend that the US hasn't far surpassed everyone in this department because the imperial Japanese military did impressive work in constructing absurd bureaucracy around their military branches which worked overtime to justify their funding and fight with each other. Maybe the US integrated some of them into the military post WW2 as advisors. The Nazis had a lot to teach the US about reframing defeats as victories and the Japanese really knew how to fatten up branches of a military. The US has done a great job at both since WW2! Lol America would never stoop so low as to take any advice from non-whites, especially in the 40s
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skooma512 posted:Lol America would never stoop so low as to take any advice from non-whites, especially in the 40s I read the reports of the US technical mission to Japan and occasionally you do get the sense that they begrudged any Japanese technical development or electronics being superior. Even though the Japanese were working on a lot of the same things as the Germans, guided missiles, torpedos and the like, infrared, radars and MAD on seaplanes etc. and independently as well, the US technical mission did not seem too impressed. REPORTS OF THE U. S. NAVAL TECHNICAL MISSION TO JAPAN Probably also interesting if you're into the postwar Japanese developments in TV and radio, which were already taking shape
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Frosted Flake posted:This ties into my favourite subject: liberal states hate that soldiers require social relations, they can't be motivated by the market, and they're not machines. Of course they want to privatize via PMC and automatic via unmanned systems everything they can, but it's proven, repeatedly to be impossible. When you say the average western soldier barely manages a 3 year hitch these days, do you mean after the US-Vietnam War till the present or after the US left Afghanistan?
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Since the 2000's, I'm not sure about earlier.
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Frosted Flake posted:Since the 2000's, I'm not sure about earlier. I actually found a publication that sheds a bit of light about it. Didn't screenshot everything but you can read the publication at https://www.prb.org/wp-content/uploads/2005/12/59.4AmericanMilitary.pdf Bonus: https://media.defense.gov/2019/Jul/25/2002162334/-1/-1/0/AH198001.PDF AmyL has issued a correction as of 03:37 on Dec 5, 2023 |
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It's so over folks the screenshot app on my phone now supports a highlighter
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Now that Kissinger, like Bismarck, has passed, war can begin!
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FuzzySlippers posted:so does Venezuela have an actual military or did Iran sneak over and destroy most of it in the last few years? I'm still not sure about the Gulf War potential brewing in South America with the US going around hat in hand begging for munitions as it is. Are there regional US allies willing to do the bulk of the fighting vs Venezuela? US is always setting up pet leaders but getting them to fight a war for us would be a big ask. the Venezuelan military is relatively large and modern and wouldn't be a complete pushover (and has also acquired quite a few Russian anti-air and anti-ship missiles), but it is structured primarily around fighting a defensive war and spends most of its effort on preparing for defense rather than attack specifically they are focused mostly on preparing for a possible future confrontation with the United States, with the professional military intended to act as an elite core around which a guerrilla force could be structured, with the aim of waging a protracted war of resistance from the rugged and sparsely-populated interior. Chavez called for a 'people's war of resistance', and Venezuelan officers have also thrown the phrase 'Latin American Vietnam' around.
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I have a stack of books on the Late Victorian and Edwardian Army, the zenith of the Long Service Professional, and basically to get the average westerner to serve 18-25 years now it would require concessions in terms of material conditions and base pay that are basically unimaginable to our societies. Like every other kind of labour, they prefer high turnover, low skill. This was fantastic, ty AmyL posted:I actually found a publication that sheds a bit of light about it. Didn't screenshot everything but you can read the publication at https://www.prb.org/wp-content/uploads/2005/12/59.4AmericanMilitary.pdf
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Take a look at my PM when you get a chance. Nonsense posted:Now that Kissinger, like Bismarck, has passed, war can begin! Time to bring out this classic!
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here's another book-posting tip (that I learned from TikTok of all places) let's say you have a PDF, but the text isn't OCR/selectable, like the Voroshilov lectures: open up the Snipping Tool that comes with Windows: and click on New or WINDOWS-SHIFT-S, and select the text then click on this button, labeled "Text Actions" it'll use "AI" to scan the snip for text, and then you'll get a further two buttons to select from. Click the one on the left, "Copy all text" and the scanned text will be copied over to your clipboard: quote:I. Role, Composition, Missions, and Principles of Artillery's you might need to clean it up some for spacing: quote:I. Role, Composition, Missions, and Principles of Artillery's Combat Employment in Front Offensive Operations but that's just about a perfect text extract from the book, even when the scan is at an odd angle
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Blockade posted:lol check out the new super soldier grift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjogCytzX0s
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