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Hieronymous Alloy posted:a galvanized frog I've heard worse usernames
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Nitrousoxide posted:I hope she filed a bar complaint too. Intentionally misrepresenting a client or hiding the fact you have a conflict is disbarment level poo poo. From what I read the suit requests as part it’s relief that the court refer Habba and her firm to the bar for disciplinary action.
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If you can still listen to it, Opening Arguments covered the Habba suit today. Takes a special piece of crap to take advantage of a sexual harassment survivor.
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Dec 5, 2023 02:56
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Wasn’t that literally a subplot on Succession? They sent Shiv to defang a lawsuit by talking down one of the key accusers?
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https://twitter.com/jonallendc/status/1731887398789738507 "Recipients were also notified that the in-person written questionnaire is different from the online version, which is often the only one used in federal trials." “The date’s public and the length is suspicious,” said the person who received the form and requested anonymity to avoid attracting unwanted attention related to the trial. “You can easily infer what it’s regarding.” "Special counsel Jack Smith’s office, two Trump lawyers and the spokesperson for the U.S. District Court did not reply to requests to confirm the authenticity of the form."
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Dec 5, 2023 07:51
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Ms Adequate posted:I agree with all of this. The thing is, any evidence excluded from the trial could putatively have immensely consequential information in it because, by definition, the court did not consider it. In practice it's not so clear cut and the court excludes stuff precisely because they do know what it is, and it's bullshit. But Engoron allowing any old nonsense in is definitely the safer course, thanks to it being a bench trial (lol and lmao that Trump's team just forgot to tick the Jury Trial box). He knows what is actually impactful and can let the defense piss away their limited time on nonsense if it means that a subsequent appeal request can't say "We need an appeal because X, Y, Z pieces of exculpatory evidence were barred from consideration". I love how "Trump being involved in like 4 criminal trials" is not enough on its own to sway undecideds. Good job America!
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Dec 5, 2023 13:53
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Murgos posted:Trump’s Bedminster resort has a new suit filed against it by a former employee who says she was sexually harassed there by a senior employee and it was covered up through fraudulent means when a lawyer, Elena Habba, pretended to be the victims friend and provided what looks like very conflicted and highly unethical advice to settle for a minuscule amount and sign an apparently illegal NDA. Do you have a link for more info? Oh, and gently caress Opening Arguments. I can't listen to Andrew any more, not after the poo poo he did.
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Dec 5, 2023 14:09
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Charliegrs posted:I love how "Trump being involved in like 4 criminal trials" is not enough on its own to sway undecideds. Good job America! Undecideds are noted for their complex heuristic analysis, it may appear they're all low information idiots and massive hypocrites but actually they're playing 10 dimensional chess you see.
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BDawg posted:If you can still listen to it, Opening Arguments covered the Habba suit today. But enough about Andrew
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Fuschia tude posted:But enough about Andrew (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Charliegrs posted:I love how "Trump being involved in like 4 criminal trials" is not enough on its own to sway undecideds. Good job America! Christ ain't that the truth  There is polling where a lot of them say an actual conviction will change things for them but who knows
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Dec 5, 2023 18:54
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Ms Adequate posted:Christ ain't that the truth But seriously, these people aren't reachable by objective reality. They never have been, they never will be, and if they say otherwise they're lying. They knew what he was when they took him in.
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pumpinglemma posted:Why would a conviction in a rigged trial change their minds? If anything that only makes it more likely that Trump is the best candidate! If he wasn't, why would The Swamp be willing to go to such lengths to suppress him? To be fair, you're definitely not talking about "undecideds". You're talking about the folks that decided before Trump was even indicted.
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pumpinglemma posted:Why would a conviction in a rigged trial change their minds? If anything that only makes it more likely that Trump is the best candidate! If he wasn't, why would The Swamp be willing to go to such lengths to suppress him? Because even if the trial was rigged the fact that he was convicted means he's not just a guy being harrased anymore, he's a criminal and categorically that makes voting for him less appealing. And the whole point of voting for him in the first place is how doing it makes you feel.
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pumpinglemma posted:Why would a conviction in a rigged trial change their minds? The argument as I understand it, is that most voters are "normies", they don't follow politics at all, they're not MAGA even if they are personally dumb and racist or whatever. And they generally believe in the rule of law as a loose concept, so if they see a conviction then some of them'll assume that puts Trump outside the bounds of civil discourse. I'm not sure that I totally buy the thesis, or that there's enough True Normies left in post-Facebook America, but I get the idea, and I guess maybe we'll find out
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Failed Imagineer posted:The argument as I understand it, is that most voters are "normies", they don't follow politics at all, they're not MAGA even if they are personally dumb and racist or whatever. And they generally believe in the rule of law as a loose concept, so if they see a conviction then they'll assume that puts Trump outside the bounds of civil discourse. There's some polls that show about about 10% of voters are open to supporting Trump, but wouldn't if he was convicted of a felony. Whether those people are telling the truth, how reliable the polling is, and if they still feel that way a year later are all open questions.
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undecideds are not especially relevant politically. you're probably thinking of self-identified moderates/centrists or independents and they are specifically where trump's support is most notably weak relative to a generic R candidate as people pointed out above, the people who don't give a gently caress about 4 criminal cases going to trial are the extremely decideds
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Dec 5, 2023 21:46
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Justice filed a 404(b) notice in Chutkan's case today, and I'm regrettably informed that Federal Rule of Evidence 404 is not "Evidence Not Found". It's a notice of evidence they intend to use in trial, and best as I can tell as a nonlawknower, evidence of past and/or uncharged statements/tweets/jackassery that they want to use to counter the sorts of Trump defenses we saw in Colorado and anticipate elsewhere. Just the headers because gently caress phone posting PDF formatting: quote:Historical Evidence of the Defendant’s Consistent Plan of Baselessly Claiming Election Fraud More detail (with some redacted) at the link above.
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Dec 5, 2023 22:28
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Cimber posted:Do you have a link for more info? https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4336570-former-trump-club-employee-sues-sexual-harassment-pressured-sign-nda/amp/ There is a link to the complaint in the article.
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Dec 5, 2023 23:42
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Failed Imagineer posted:The argument as I understand it, is that most voters are "normies", they don't follow politics at all, they're not MAGA even if they are personally dumb and racist or whatever. And they generally believe in the rule of law as a loose concept, so if they see a conviction then some of them'll assume that puts Trump outside the bounds of civil discourse. The New York Times interviews with some of the "would not vote Biden but would vote Harris" people in the poll everyone was freaking out about three weeks ago included discussions with one woman who was of the opinion that Roe v. Wade being overturned was Biden's decision, which was why she was against Biden's re-election. To be clear, not in a D&D super-involved leftist pedant way of "well if Joe Biden really wanted to save Roe v. Wade he would have packed the court in 2021 and his unwillingness to do so meant he actually did not care about RvW" but very specifically in a "I did not realize that the Supreme Court had anything to do with Roe v. Wade" way. I'm not sure if most voters are 'normies' but a lot of the 'undecideds' and 'swing' voters are very, very, very uninformed, uninterested-in-being-informed people.
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skeleton warrior posted:I'm not sure if most voters are 'normies' but a lot of the 'undecideds' and 'swing' voters are very, very, very uninformed, uninterested-in-being-informed people. e: I remember before the final debate of 2012, some woman in a focus group of undecided voters was asked what she hoped to hear the candidates debate, and she put on her Serious Face said she was really concerned about health care. The debate starts, and a fair bit of it focused on health care, with Obama defending the AMA and touting its benefits, and Romney criticizing it and talking about the free market and tort reform. It wasn't a deep dive full of specifics, but both candidates did put forward an outline of their plans and they pointed out the very sharp differences between them. After the debate was over, they went back to the room and asked the woman what she thought, and she put on her Disappointed Face and said she was disappointed that there wasn't any real discussion of health care. That's pretty much what I think of when I hear someone describe themselves as an undecided voter. FMguru fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Dec 6, 2023 |
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FMguru posted:My favorite dumb political ritual is the final debate of the Presidential campaign, where the networks often have picked audiences of undecided voters to comment on what they thought, or sometimes even to ask questions. After a solid year of round-the-clock coverage and multiple billions of dollars of ad spending, the only people still wavering between the D and R candidates are either blissfully unaware or stone-cold morons (or both!), and man when they interview the "undecideds" after the debate they absolutely live down to that expectation, making random C-SPAN callers look like learned professors of political science by comparison. It's pure comedy. 
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Yeeeepppppp. It's so funny. They're the dumbest motherfuckers imaginable, and they are treated by the networks like they are these deeply thoughtful and unbiased sages, carefully weighing the pros and cons of each candidate's positions across the entire issue spectrum before finally rendering their wise, Solomon-like verdict.
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Charliegrs posted:I love how "Trump being involved in like 4 criminal trials" is not enough on its own to sway undecideds. Good job America! "Ok Mr Johnson. You desperately need a car. I'll let you choose between these two: This one over here is a 2002 model and rusty as hell, but it runs and will hold you over til you get a better one. This car over here has no engine, a spring sticking up in the middle of the seat, no safety features of any kind, and exhaust fumes leak into the cabin at all times. Also, it is actively on fire at this very moment." "Gosh.....tough choice...."
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:"Ok Mr Johnson. You desperately need a car. I'll let you choose between these two: I think the last time I actually voted _for_ a president was in 2008 when I voted for Obama. Every other election I've always been voting against the Republican, and this is going back to 1992.
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Cimber posted:I think the last time I actually voted _for_ a president was in 2008 when I voted for Obama. Every other election I've always been voting against the Republican, and this is going back to 1992. Likewise. But I still wasn't an undecided because I was underwhelmed by the D candidate. Not saying you were either.
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FMguru posted:Yeeeepppppp. And these Solomon voters will wisely divide the nation into two parts to appease feuding parties. I will arbitrarily pick North v. South, but it's completely at random and nothing of course to with anything that has come before in our history. For certain presidents, retaining huge FL golf resorts may mean abandoning huge NY properties. Properties so big, they seem 3x the size of anything else you've ever seen like them.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Oh no, this is devolving into election talk again. "this car is provided by a company that tries to prove that cars, fundamentally, cannot transport. also it is programmed to target minorities while driving"
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Kavros posted:"this car is provided by a company that tries to prove that cars, fundamentally, cannot transport. also it is programmed to target minorities while driving" Programmed to target, or not programmed to recognize for avoidance?
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:"Ok Mr Johnson. You desperately need a car. I'll let you choose between these two: Well who can blame them when choosing between a 2002 rustbucket and a fresh off the assembly line cybertruck?
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Tesseraction posted:Well who can blame them when choosing between a 2002 rustbucket and a fresh off the assembly line cybertruck? If Elon can make exhaust fumes leak into the cabin of the cybertruck, that would be incredibly impressive and also nostalgic of the poo poo box trucks all our dads drove in the 90s. I'd probably get one.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:"Ok Mr Johnson. You desperately need a car. I'll let you choose between these two: "Tell you what, if you act now, I'll throw in some incendiary language, a willingness to incite riots and a free coat of authoritarianism! What do you say?"
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Should be fun. Exclusive: Georgia prosecutors put Mike Pence on their witness list in 2020 election subversion case against Trump https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/mike-pence-georgia-witness-list
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Charlz Guybon posted:Should be fun. Let’s see if Trump can violate two gag orders with one tweet!
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Murgos posted:Let’s see if Trump can violate two gag orders with one tweet! 2gags1tweet.avi
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Agents are GO! posted:2gags1tweet.avi We're sure for a title change anyways and this sparks joy.
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Wisconsin Trump electors settle lawsuit, agree Biden won in 2020quote:In a legal settlement Wednesday, the 10 Republicans who signed official-looking paperwork falsely purporting Donald Trump won Wisconsin in 2020 have agreed to withdraw their inaccurate filings, acknowledge Joe Biden won the presidency and not serve as presidential electors in 2024 or in any election where Trump is on the ballot.
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