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ImpAtom posted:Didio basically felt like he made it his personal mission to poo poo all over everything I liked in DC comics for years, it was genuinely an impressive effort. Which was apparently in a broad brush 'minorities.'
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I feel like a real rube for enjoying anything from that period even though that’s ridiculous, there was no way for me to know how awful these creators and editors were beyond I never understood at the time why the characters and themes I enjoyed most kept getting diminished and rebooted. At least I got fed up enough to stop reading circa 2011-12 or so and strictly backed indie projects after that. I remember Didio talking at a friend I had who was in retail at the time circa 2010. Loud hotel bar, Saturday night of a con. Couldn’t hear a word he said, just remembered thinking how ridiculous it all was because I couldn’t hear poo poo. Sure enough it didn’t matter.
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Dawgstar posted:Which was apparently in a broad brush 'minorities.' And Nightwing for some reason
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Sep 30, 2023 09:11
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Do you think that’s Devin Grayson clapback?
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Sep 30, 2023 13:06
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But now, with DiDio gone, Nightwing is probably DC's best ongoing series and one of their most beloved heroes in-universe.
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Sep 30, 2023 15:00
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lol at how in the last issue of infinite crisis, nightwing was supposed to die and it was going to drive batman to try to shoot someone with a gun, only it to go "click" because out of ammo but then they decided at the last second that nightwing wouldn't die, but it was too late to do much else, so batman still almost shoots the bad guy in the face just out of, like, being a psycho i guess and then in the trade paperback they just edited out the little "click" sfx so it's just batman waving a gun in someone's face like a maniac comic books are awesome lmao
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Sep 30, 2023 17:37
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Didn't DiDio try to trade Nightwing to the Marvel Universe, but they couldn't come to an agreement on which Marvel hero would go to the DC Universe?
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:I feel like a real rube for enjoying anything from that period even though that’s ridiculous, there was no way for me to know how awful these creators and editors were beyond I never understood at the time why the characters and themes I enjoyed most kept getting diminished and rebooted. At least I got fed up enough to stop reading circa 2011-12 or so and strictly backed indie projects after that.
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Sep 30, 2023 21:12
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Didn't DiDio try to trade Nightwing to the Marvel Universe, but they couldn't come to an agreement on which Marvel hero would go to the DC Universe? By the time Didio came on, it was after those crossovers had stopped and a few months before Didio got hired, Quesada said this in a newspaper: quote:“What the gently caress is DC anyway?” Mr. Quesada said, stoking the fires. “They’d be better off calling it AOL Comics. At least people know what AOL is. I mean, they have Batman and Superman, and they don’t know what to do with them. That’s like being a porn star with the biggest dick and you can’t get it up. What the gently caress?” (Paul Levitz, DC’s president and publisher, declined to comment for this story through a spokesperson.)
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Edge & Christian posted:I find that incredibly unlikely, there were rumors (later confirmed by Paul Levitz) that back in the 1990s when the two publishers did Marvel vs. DC (and then a whole mess of other crossover books) that they would do an open ended character swap. But according to Levitz it was She-Hulk and Martian Manhunter as the most likely swap, and it was also years before Didio started working for DC. Oh, I remember that Quesada quote, but I thought it was back when Bill Jemas was still a shot-caller at Marvel, and it pissed off Paul Levitz enough that he put the kibosh on future crossovers. You would know better, though.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Oh, I remember that Quesada quote, but I thought it was back when Bill Jemas was still a shot-caller at Marvel, and it pissed off Paul Levitz enough that he put the kibosh on future crossovers. You would know better, though. 1994: DC and Marvel do their first co-publications in over a decade with Batman/Punisher and Punisher/Batman 1996-2000: The DC vs. Marvel mini-series leads to even more crossover one-shots and minis, two Amalgam months, etc. [it is during the above period that the character swap is apparently discussed] January 2000: Bill Jemas is appointed President/Publisher at Marvel Comics August 2000: Jemas fires Bob Harras and appointed Joe Quesada EiC at Marvel January 2002: Didio is hired as VP-Editorial April 2002: Kurt Busiek, Mark Waid, and George Perez announce at a con that they're very close to getting contracts signed for JLA/Avengers, a project Perez had worked on for years and was supposed to come out in 1983. Two Weeks Later But Still April 2002: Quesada gives the inflammatory interview as part of an overall media push between him and Jemas starting a 'friendly rivalry' between Marvel and DC Levitz (still the publisher/president/EiC) doesn't think it feels like a friendly rivalry at all, and ices out any further crossover conversations. But they do end up doing JLA/Avengers (sans Waid) in 2003. The only part of the timeline that doesn't work is that Didio wasn't really a major shot caller at DC until after the relationship had soured, and they barely got the JLA/Avengers book finished in his early days at DC. So I don't think he would have ever been offering Nightwing to anyone at Marvel?
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I wonder how a Marvel Nightwing would even work. Just Daredevil but he can see? Maybe Stark adopts him
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Opopanax posted:I wonder how a Marvel Nightwing would even work. Just Daredevil but he can see? Maybe Stark adopts him hanging out in the ultraverse
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ImpAtom posted:Didio basically felt like he made it his personal mission to poo poo all over everything I liked in DC comics for years, it was genuinely an impressive effort. 100% same. Not really on topic, but I assume it's pronounced Di-DI-o? Because every time I see it I read it as Diddy-O.
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You know after all the poo poo about Geoff Johns came out and you start side eyeing the rest of the senior staff and all the bullshit that was pulled under their watch it's kind of refreshing to see someone drop the act and just gleefully confirm your suspicions.
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Edge & Christian posted:But according to Levitz it was She-Hulk and Martian Manhunter as the most likely swap  Poor Jen, what did she do to almost deserve *that*?
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Sentinel Red posted:
Blue and Gold and Green by Keith Giffen and J. M. DeMatteis, with art by Kevin Maguire.
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Nuns with Guns posted:You know after all the poo poo about Geoff Johns came out and you start side eyeing the rest of the senior staff and all the bullshit that was pulled under their watch it's kind of refreshing to see someone drop the act and just gleefully confirm your suspicions. What if his explanation was "because it's cool and good and I like it"?
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Gripweed posted:What if his explanation was "because it's cool and good and I like it"? I suppose it would depend on what he liked about it.
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I'm kinda getting into comics again after quitting back in 1997. Tried a few times in the 2000s but the horribleness I bumped into when I tried kept me away. It's funny to see how much of that was due to chuds and ego junkies using brands like fiefdoms. Hell, apparently a fellow brazilian was one of the main mouth-breathers in the industry.
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i'm glad things are lowkey enough now that i'm necroing this thread but lol
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https://twitter.com/NatalieEveComix/status/1732518262376702122 At this point not surprising but in the interests of completeness.
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Just when I thought my opinion of Mark Millar couldn't get lower.
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It’s hilarious that Ethan thinks he can give wider audience exposure to the guy who has multiple properties adapted into features and tv series, not to mention influencing the casting and initial ideas of the MCU
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Oh darn, Mark “What If Superheroes Got Blow Jobs and Did Incest” Millar is a dipshit, who saw that coming?
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So what evil are they talking about? Girls in comics?
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/NatalieEveComix/status/1732518262376702122 Didn't Grant Morrison say they would love to run into him in Glasgow so they could punch him Shageletic fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Dec 8, 2023 |
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I thought it was so be could back up over him
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it was that, were they to run into him, they hoped it would be in a car going a hundred miles an hour.
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Apparently Millar interviewed a comic shop owner, Glen O'Leary. Supposedly the guy put out a video complaining about modern writers "writing themselves into the comics instead of writing the characters". That said, all I could find of the guy seems to be in the chud sphere of comics, most of which I don't want to give further traffic to learn more.
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Karma Tornado posted:it was that, were they to run into him, they hoped it would be in a car going a hundred miles an hour. oh yes, I was certain I had to have misremembered it so I had to look it up but this is essentially a direct quote from this interview in Rolling Stone https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/grant-morrison-on-the-death-of-comics-62761/amp/
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Shageletic posted:Didn't Grant Morrison say he would love to run into him in Glasgow so he punch him Morrison uses they/them pronouns, but yes, they have made comments to that effect
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site posted:i'm glad things are lowkey enough now that i'm necroing this thread but lol https://twitter.com/ABC7NY/status/1732088896765211093 Hot off Eric's presses. An unauthorized biography comic on Swift with frankly terrible art. I vaguely recall Tidal Wave being mostly about cheesecake superhero comics with really bad art so it's nice to see they've made a sidegrade.
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/ABC7NY/status/1732088896765211093 I never knew that Taylor Swift had tridactylism. Good to see representation.
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Love to draw someone that looks nothing like Taylor Swift and call her Taylor Swift
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If anybody can explain what--in general--is going on with her upper torso I'd prefer that you did not, because that sounds like forbidden knowledge.
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Bluewater Comics did a lot of really badly made unauthorized biographical comics starting about twenty years ago, following in the spiritual footsteps of Revolutionary Comics which did it in the 1990s and who Bluewater eventually purchased and reprinted the catalog of. Their main marketing model seems to be to get credulous local/small press to cover NOW THERE'S A COMIC ABOUT [GUNS N ROSES/BO JACKSON/EMINEM/BARACK OBAMA/SARAH PALIN/ETC], CHECK IT OUT and once in awhile that results in signficiant sales, but more often they are cranked out and even more immediately immediately forgotten. In 2012 they got dropped from Diamond because most of their books couldn't meet the minimum threshold for being listed in Previews, so they switched to an independent distribution/print-on-demand service and rebranded, first to Stormfront, then very quickly to TidalWave when people pointed out the accidental(?) association that Stormfront has.
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Endless Mike posted:Morrison uses they/them pronouns, but yes, they have made comments to that effect I thought he had an interview a month or so ago where he said he didn’t use they/them and didn’t know how that got started. It got started because he said he used they/them in a different interview. I used "he" because apparently that's his preference at the moment.
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Someone published a whole timeline of Grant Morrison's statements about pronouns, the short version seems to be that Grant Morrison is not bothered by people using masculine pronouns to describe them, they'd ultimately prefer "they/them", has more of an uncomfortable reaction to people correcting others calling Morrison "him" than to being called "him", but understands other people are more concerned about their own pronouns and doesn't want to encourage people to be lax about honoring other people's identities so at the end of the day would prefer "they/them". Even shorter version: quote:“I’m much happier being described as ‘they’ but I won’t give anyone a hard time for using any other pronoun.”
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Edge & Christian posted:Someone published a whole timeline of Grant Morrison's statements about pronouns, the short version seems to be that Grant Morrison is not bothered by people using masculine pronouns to describe them, they'd ultimately prefer "they/them", has more of an uncomfortable reaction to people correcting others calling Morrison "him" than to being called "him", but understands other people are more concerned about their own pronouns and doesn't want to encourage people to be lax about honoring other people's identities so at the end of the day would prefer "they/them". Cool. I'm not editing my post since it gives some context here, but it's nice to get some clarification on this.
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