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But there is evidence that things do change - we have weekends and maternity pay and the nhs and whatever. That came because the political will and power was there for it. I certainly can't see how our current politicians would ever meaningfully expand the welfare state for example
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Dec 7, 2023 14:15
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Things can, yeah, but my point is just that I think the state itself naturally gravitates towards making a prison of the world. And has for a very long time. Any good things that happen, happen against the current, not because of it. I don't think what you're seeing is an especially new phenomenon, what you're seeing is just what the british government does most of the time.
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Dec 7, 2023 14:17
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Yeah, back in the Cold War, you had two competing systems, which required UK politicians to actively choose which one to support, and to what extent. And having the alternative of Communism meant that our capitalist system had to be a lot more careful about ensuring that ordinary people saw at least some of the fruits of growth.
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Dec 7, 2023 14:22
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ThomasPaine posted:But there is evidence that things do change - we have weekends and maternity pay and the nhs and whatever. That came because the political will and power was there for it. I certainly can't see how our current politicians would ever meaningfully expand the welfare state for example Regression is also change. We got the welfare state because we went from World War 1 into the Great Depression right into World War 2. The USSR was there as a big loving nasty gargoyle hovering over you letting you know what could happens if you don't shape up, so capital accepted some reform in place for not having their wealth completely expropriated. Because otherwise you could end up with a whole lot of trained soldiers with battle experience who suddenly felt like they deserved more & that'd not have gone well.
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Dec 7, 2023 14:33
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Sanford posted:When pigfucker came back recently, didn’t someone confirm a lord can be PM? If Rishi is ousted, then maybe cometh the hour, cometh the man? Anyone can be Prime Minister, you don’t have to be an MP or even elected, you just have to be a person that commands the support of the party with a majority of MPs. Now, by convention we’ve decided that you do need to be an MP/a Lord/the leader of the majority party but like most of our political processes that’s all it is, a convention. If enough of the Tory party believed Farage would win them the next election there’s nothing to stop them making him Prime Minister even while he’s still in the loving jungle. Pork Pie Hat fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Dec 7, 2023 |
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Dec 7, 2023 14:44
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ThomasPaine posted:What the gently caress do we even have to look forward to as a country? ThomasPaine posted:What really gets me is that I genuinely don't understand why our politicians are so committed to everything being terrible forever.
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Dec 7, 2023 14:45
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ThomasPaine posted:The slow ideological death of the Labour Party makes me very sad, but I suppose it's kinda funny that the guy who gets to put the final nail in the coffin is called Keir After Hardie, no less.
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Dec 7, 2023 14:54
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Boris is probably the best example of why many modern politicians are awful: he wanted to be Prime Minister because it was his ambition. To be 'top dog'. When becoming Prime Minister is all about getting what you want, and there's no specific ideology guiding you, you'll do whatever you can to get there, which likely involves loving over a bunch of people at every turn. And that's fine for you, because You Deserve It. And telling people things are poo poo, and they're only going to get shittier is just managing expectations. If people expect things to get shittier, they will actually be more accepting when they do. If you tell people things will improve, they'll expect them to improve. And there's literally no incentive for you to try to make people's lives better since your only goal is to become Prime Minister and stay Prime Minister until you've wrung every molecule of satisfaction you can. And you can do that - as we've seen - by simply telling people to get used to living their lives neck-deep in poo poo.
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Dec 7, 2023 15:11
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Cameron said he wanted to be PM because he he thought he'd be "quite good at it" and then irreparably damaged the country and pissed off.
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Dec 7, 2023 15:13
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I also thought I'd be quite a good PM at one point, but unfortunately I went to a school outside of Inverness that cost my parents nothing.
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Dec 7, 2023 15:14
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kingturnip posted:Boris is probably the best example of why many modern politicians are awful: he wanted to be Prime Minister because it was his ambition. To be 'top dog'. Not only that, but wasn't it Boris that thought he might stand a chance of being the first person to be both PM and US President but then he accidently let his US citizenship lapse?
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Dec 7, 2023 15:15
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https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1732737926751002858
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Dec 7, 2023 15:34
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PriorMarcus posted:Not only that, but wasn't it Boris that thought he might stand a chance of being the first person to be both PM and US President but then he accidently let his US citizenship lapse? I doubt it was accidental, he probably didn't feel like paying taxes over there
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Dec 7, 2023 15:40
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Remember that time Liz Truss got lost in a room
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Dec 7, 2023 15:47
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Remember that there are less than 400 MPs in parliament. There's plenty of positions to fill lower down from which the right people can be identified and the good ones can be blocked from the levers of power. There's 650?
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Dec 7, 2023 16:21
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I think they meant in the party in power, but yes there's 649 plus the speaker.
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Dec 7, 2023 16:31
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NORMAN! WHAT IS A """MEEM""", NORMAN?!?
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Dec 7, 2023 18:28
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That meme was new and funny, when? Around about the time Johnson got elected?
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Dec 7, 2023 18:30
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crispix posted:NORMAN! Ask them what the meem is, then tell them to put on some proper undergarments.
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Dec 7, 2023 18:42
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I genuinely worked with someone a few years back who referred to them in a meeting as “May - Mays”
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Dec 7, 2023 18:50
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Extremely cursed Theresa May/Hawaiian goose cross.
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Dec 7, 2023 18:58
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smellmycheese posted:I genuinely worked with someone a few years back who referred to them in a meeting as “May - Mays”
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Dec 7, 2023 19:00
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please refrain from norman lore heresy >:/
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Dec 7, 2023 19:00
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I’m sure Norman and his Mail Online pals will be horrified to learn there are now IEDs being detonated in Sidcup 
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Dec 7, 2023 19:07
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low-sophistication IED sounds like a pack of 70s era Brocks bangers in a whiskey flask. I hope Norman didn't ruin his good hip flask with the flag on just because of what that Laurence Fox said on twitter.
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Dec 7, 2023 19:15
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Low sophistication is when you blow up a camera with one bomb, high sophistication is when you drop a hundred bombs from an airplane and fail to hit anything you were aiming at.
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Dec 7, 2023 19:26
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okay i give up. who the gently caress is norman. why is there a post about norman every other page
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Dec 7, 2023 19:43
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Nuclear Spoon posted:okay i give up. who the gently caress is norman. why is there a post about norman every other page Thank you for asking the question I have been wanting to know the answer to for the 5.5 years I've been on here!
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Dec 7, 2023 19:47
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Tempted to extract every Norman post now, to create a compendium of the complete works of the Norman universe
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Dec 7, 2023 19:49
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He's the husband of a typical middle-England complainer who probably writes to the Daily Mail
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Dec 7, 2023 19:50
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They don't even know who you are now Norman!!
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Dec 7, 2023 19:51
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Dec 7, 2023 19:52
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firstly thank you. secondly it feels like the posts yelling "norman" should actually be yelling "beryl". unless of course this is but one page of a longer running saga
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Dec 7, 2023 19:56
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Mrs Norman is the point of view character of the Norman cinematic universe. Like Holmes and Watson.
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Dec 7, 2023 19:58
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I never understood how women like that can marry men like that but one time I helped a woman carry a man too bladdered to stand to a taxi and to his home so he could go to bed, and on the journey learned from the woman, a friend of his wife, that he's a far-right piece of poo poo who won't talk to women unless forced to and is married to a disabled wife so he drinks because he can't stand remembering he's married to someone who got 'crippled.' When I dragged his hateful arse into the house and took him to his bed I met said wife who couldn't have been nicer and more friendly. When I got back to the pub I was given a free pint on the house for helping a man in need and buddy you didn't need to give it to me for free that was so loving depressing I needed every pint I could get.
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Dec 7, 2023 19:58
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Tesseraction posted:I never understood how women like that can marry men like that but one time I helped a woman carry a man too bladdered to stand to a taxi and to his home so he could go to bed, and on the journey learned from the woman, a friend of his wife, that he's a far-right piece of poo poo who won't talk to women unless forced to and is married to a disabled wife so he drinks because he can't stand remembering he's married to someone who got 'crippled.' There’s a lot of cunts out there OP
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Dec 7, 2023 20:00
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It does seem awfully common (and uniquely British?) for men to end up married to women they hate. They just keep moaning about them down the pub. Like why did you bother getting married
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Dec 7, 2023 20:01
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heterosexuals have not been well for a long time
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Dec 7, 2023 20:03
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Microplastics posted:It does seem awfully common (and uniquely British?) for men to end up married to women they hate. They just keep moaning about them down the pub. Like why did you bother getting married
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Dec 7, 2023 20:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8RrhCXBomc
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