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"The plot for AW2 is too direct and obvious" *proceeds to post spoiler tags filled with completely wrong poo poo* is becoming such an omnipresent posting style. Everyone who is doing this poo poo is just proving that the game's narrative isn't nearly as transparent or simplistic as some people say it is. Also Twin Peaks: The Return is absolutely loving filled with exposition, go back and rewatch it. People making emphatic statements about what art in that vein should or shouldn't do as a rule are full of poo poo.
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:"The plot for AW2 is too direct and obvious" *proceeds to post spoiler tags filled with completely wrong poo poo* this. if you didn't like it, you can just say "I didn't like this". You don't have to re-write reality like our favorite pill popping author to suit your point
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Dec 7, 2023 21:22
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(Alan Wake 2) I have no idea how you could have gotten the idea that Saga and Casey were non existent before the game when Saga's whole story is about fixing her life to be the way it was before Alan Wake/Scratch hosed it up and Alan specifically states he twisted Casey into the character he was writing from what he was before
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Dec 7, 2023 21:38
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I'm assuming Basic Channel just thumbed through an LP or something because that makes more sense than someone paying $70 for a game they don't like from a developer they historically don't like just so they can come into the Something Awful Horror Thread and talk about how much they think it sucks rear end.
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Dec 7, 2023 21:41
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The Alone in the Dark reboot is delayed until March so developers can 'avoid any potential crunch over the Christmas holidays' Disappointed, but I do want this game to be good so I'm willing to see how it goes.
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Basic Chunnel posted:I was really bullish on CONTROL until it became apparent to me that every uncanny valley-rear end dude who was like “gosh ma’am I just work here” was in fact a dude who just worked there. Everyone is imminently forthcoming and, worse, they’re always on the level with Jesse. I agree with all of this but weirdly its exactly why I love Control. Wading through corporate bureaucracy being as much of a nightmare as cosmic unknown entity invasion was like it was written specifically for me. I just wish Same Lake’s Steven King inspiration didn’t include not knowing how to end a story in a satisfying way.
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Blockhouse posted:I'm assuming Basic Channel just thumbed through an LP or something because that makes more sense than someone paying $70 for a game they don't like from a developer they historically don't like just so they can come into the Something Awful Horror Thread and talk about how much they think it sucks rear end. Mr E posted:(Alan Wake 2) I have no idea how you could have gotten the idea that Saga and Casey were non existent before the game when Saga's whole story is about fixing her life to be the way it was before Alan Wake/Scratch hosed it up and Alan specifically states he twisted Casey into the character he was writing from what he was before In any event I’d rather Alex Casey be a character who is fictional within the fiction, written by Alan Wake to believe he was real and implanted into the lives of the characters — that’s horrifying — than an existing character who is written by Sam Lake to have come to Bright Falls with very convenient coincidence already established, a character who is contrived on two different levels. Tbh this also applies to Saga’s “real” ties to the area. Hell, I’m not sure why Wake / Scratch should make minor tweaks to timelines and outcomes in their Demiurge war. Make Saga and Alex completely different people than they think they are, simply buried in the occult simulation. Go Swamp Thing with it. The X-Files with the carnivorous LSD cave fungus did this particular thing better. All of which is to say I cleave to the whole-cloth interpretation in large part because it makes those contrived touches of plot do work rather than bear excess weight. If you’re going to make Alan Wake out to be a hack who is making reality into hackwork, make it total, make reality before his influence less hacky. It would be both far weirder in a good way and less convoluted.
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weekly font posted:I agree with all of this but weirdly its exactly why I love Control. Wading through corporate bureaucracy being as much of a nightmare as cosmic unknown entity invasion was like it was written specifically for me. I just wish Same Lake’s Steven King inspiration didn’t include not knowing how to end a story in a satisfying way. I'm there with you, the bizarre corporate atmosphere in Control was amazing for me.
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Dec 7, 2023 22:36
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if you want to expound on the story you wished you were experiencing then AO3 is right over there, but please don’t subject everyone to your bloviating misunderstandings of a story while insisting it’s too simplistic
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Dec 7, 2023 22:37
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It's cringe as gently caress that "ur too dumb to understand it" became the stock response by insecure dingleberries when someone else doesn't like the thing they like.
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Chillmatic posted:It's cringe as gently caress that "ur too dumb to understand it" became the stock response by insecure dingleberries when someone else doesn't like the thing they like. That isn't what's happening here. They're getting basic story points wrong. I don't care that they don't like a game I don't like.
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Looks like they’re too dumb to understand it
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It was announced at the video game awards that Kojima and Jordan Peele are working on a horror game together called OD. The teaser trailer doesn't reveal much beyond actors Sophia Lillis, Hunter Schafer, and Udo Kier being in the game. They each recite a weird pangram, and then we see Sophia's character scream at a door opening, which we can only see in the reflection of her eyes.
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glitchwraith posted:It was announced at the video game awards that Kojima and Jordan Peele are working on a horror game together called OD. The teaser trailer doesn't reveal much beyond actors Sophia Lillis, Hunter Schafer, and Udo Kier being in the game. They each recite a weird pangram, and then we see Sophia's character scream at a door opening, which we can only see in the reflection of her eyes. Kojima has wormed his way into directly working with a movie director, he just has to take that one last step and he'll finally be making normal movies like he always dreamed of.
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CuddleCryptid posted:normal Wellll....
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Captain Hygiene posted:Wellll.... Let's go with "non-interactive" then
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He even did the stock standard “this is NOT a game, we are BEYOND games” schtick. Excited to see which FROMsoft design innovation he’ll take credit for this time around. Timed parries? World reactivity to emotes? Fat rolling? Only time will tell.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Kojima has wormed his way into directly working with a movie director, he just has to take that one last step and he'll finally be making normal movies like he always dreamed of. In what world would Kojima be interested in telling a story in only 2.5 hours?
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weekly font posted:I agree with all of this but weirdly its exactly why I love Control. Wading through corporate bureaucracy being as much of a nightmare as cosmic unknown entity invasion was like it was written specifically for me. I just wish Same Lake’s Steven King inspiration didn’t include not knowing how to end a story in a satisfying way. Sort of funny that OP's reference for Control besides SCP is Annihilation when it's way more Authority, which literally is about how bureaucracy is as much of a nightmare as an unknown entity (and the main character is named Control, and there's a ton about how we don't or can't understand stuff and even when we think we do, boundaries and containment are never as absolute as we'd like to think). If you haven't read it I'd wholly recommend it.
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parasyte posted:Sort of funny that OP's reference for Control besides SCP is Annihilation when it's way more Authority, which literally is about how bureaucracy is as much of a nightmare as an unknown entity (and the main character is named Control, and there's a ton about how we don't or can't understand stuff and even when we think we do, boundaries and containment are never as absolute as we'd like to think). If you haven't read it I'd wholly recommend it. That funny, I read those some time after playing Control, but I didn't notice the thematic connection. I didn't like the latter two books as much as Annihilation because the stylistic change threw me at the time, but I really like the bureaucratic nightmare angle they share with Control. I'll have to go back and give them a re-read.
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Basic Chunnel posted:He even did the stock standard “this is NOT a game, we are BEYOND games” schtick. What
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Basic Chunnel posted:He even did the stock standard “this is NOT a game, we are BEYOND games” schtick. What? Kojima is all about copying/repetition, but when has he copied DS?
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A Strand Game is a game where ppl leave notes for one another, asynchronously, even if they don’t physically exist in one another’s worlds. This mechanic was first seen in Death Stranding (2019). Strand games are named for their design debt to Death Stranding (2019)
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Basic Chunnel posted:A Strand Game is a game where ppl leave notes for one another, asynchronously, even if they don’t physically exist in one another’s worlds. This mechanic was first seen in Death Stranding (2019). Strand games are named for their design debt to Death Stranding (2019) You mean signs? Which is part of the whole survival /builder genre most of the other mechanics are stolen from , games like Ark, Conan Exiles, loving Minecraft.
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I feel like doing "Dark Souls invented the concept of asynchronous multiplayer" is ridiculous. It also isn't something Dark Souls invented as there were Wizardry clones that had similar things long beforehand. "Players can leave notes for each other" was something being experimented on basically the moment the internet became meaningful enough to support it.
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There's a difference between leaving notes and having other players physically affect your world like Death Stranding
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Alternatively, drat I can't believe DS copied DS
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ImpAtom posted:I feel like doing "Dark Souls invented the concept of asynchronous multiplayer" is ridiculous. It also isn't something Dark Souls invented as there were Wizardry clones that had similar things long beforehand. "Players can leave notes for each other" was something being experimented on basically the moment the internet became meaningful enough to support it. 
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ImpAtom posted:I feel like doing "Dark Souls invented the concept of asynchronous multiplayer" is ridiculous. It also isn't something Dark Souls invented as there were Wizardry clones that had similar things long beforehand. "Players can leave notes for each other" was something being experimented on basically the moment the internet became meaningful enough to support it. You misunderstand me. I don’t mean to say that FROM invented that. How could they have? They weren’t involved in the development of Death Stranding, the original Strand game which preceded the entire genre we all know and love.
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Basic Chunnel posted:You misunderstand me. I don’t mean to say that FROM invented that. How could they have? They weren’t involved in the development of Death Stranding, the original Strand game which preceded the entire genre we all know and love. Between making up things wholecloth to get mad about in Alan wake 2 and this you have some serious problems dude lol.
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I need to find the clicker so I can click this terrible misunderstanding of video games out the thread
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Basic Chunnel posted:He even did the stock standard “this is NOT a game, we are BEYOND games” schtick. I'm actually pretty sure it's literally not a game instead some kind of interactive multimedia product.
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idontpost69 posted:I'm actually pretty sure it's literally not a game instead some kind of interactive multimedia product.
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I feel like in the same way you shouldn't attribute the creation of a game entirely to an "auteur" director because they didn't personally make the vast majority of the game you also probably shouldn't attribute a marketing gimmick trying to sell a game based on it's director either. Kojima didn't program Death Stranding and he also didn't write the copy about how new and revolutionary some system in it was
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Want to play schlock slop Outlast but I ain't spending 20 bills on that poo poo.
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Glagha posted:I feel like in the same way you shouldn't attribute the creation of a game entirely to an "auteur" director because they didn't personally make the vast majority of the game you also probably shouldn't attribute a marketing gimmick trying to sell a game based on it's director either. Kojima didn't program Death Stranding and he also didn't write the copy about how new and revolutionary some system in it was Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Dec 9, 2023 |
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I can't believe Kojima stole the concept of a third person game from FromSoft, the inventors of third person games.
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He's just mad that Remedy beat him to it
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Hidetaka Miyazaki and Hideo Kojima locked in a eons-long battle, each using their personal time machine to try and create a timeline where they were the first to invent video games.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:I need to find the clicker so I can click this terrible misunderstanding of video games out the thread You can't change the story like that, people have to act in character.
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