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I've just now finished the episode and here are my rational, well-formed thoughts: L;OASDKJHFFG;ASLKDJG;LASKDJFG;LAKSDJFG;LAK ;'ALSKLD  FG;LOK ASDF;FG  OAJKSDLF;AJ ASD;LFAKSJDLFKAJSD;F AS;DLFKJ SDAF;LGKJASDF G;;JAKJSDFFFl;ksdkhjfl;gksjdf;glkasjdf; ;ldskfjg;lskfgjb I think I liked it. 
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hahahah that was bloody brilliant when they panned to the gold tooth on the balcony and the hand with the red fingernails picked it up, I said "oh, gently caress you" out loud 10/10 
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Dec 10, 2023 00:39
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We already know 15 owns. Goblins are great. Ruby is now the bigger unknown element. I don't actually have any skepticism whatsoever, I'm just excited to see all the elements combined. The_Doctor posted:I imagine the TARDIS keeps track of relative Gallifreyan mean time. Whether the Doctor looks at that ever is another matter. Fair enough, plus TARDIS probably needs to be using some point or other for its relative dimensioning. I hope we get to meet her in person form again, she was great at embodying its chaotic busy vast personality.
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Dec 10, 2023 00:40
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I really cannot wait for Gatwa's first full episode, he's having so much fun up there. Really solid ending to this trilogy, and a good start for the new one. I also loved Donna instantly negotiating better pay and vacation time, Tate is the best in those moments. Pure gently caress Yeah energy. I also appreciate that not only was 15 just running around in his underwear, nobody noticed it or commented on it. Everyone was like "Let him cook."
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Dec 10, 2023 01:03
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Maxwell Lord posted:Really solid ending to this trilogy, and a good start for the new one. I also loved Donna instantly negotiating better pay and vacation time, Tate is the best in those moments. Pure gently caress Yeah energy. 120 thousand pounds a year still seem pretty low for a job where you're stopping the end of the world on a regular basis.
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Dec 10, 2023 01:15
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That's UK salaries for you
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Dec 10, 2023 01:18
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RIP random UNIT techs who got turned into plasitic balls. You never even merited a six figure salary probably.
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Dec 10, 2023 01:20
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Screaming UNIT balls followed by Fourteen shouting “never mind them they’re dead” got a very dark laugh out of me lol
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Dec 10, 2023 01:23
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Zohar posted:That's UK salaries for you Yeah I'll be honest £120000 a year sounds like loving incredible money for most jobs to me. I am completely caught in the trap of the UK's terrible salary norms.
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Dec 10, 2023 01:24
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So I’m trying to figure out whether the whole situation on Earth was everyone just saying what they’re thinking without common sense stopping them? Because if so, Kate basically revealed she thinks Shirley is faking/overplaying her disability since she can walk at times, which is very awkward…
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Dec 10, 2023 01:26
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Zaroff posted:So I’m trying to figure out whether the whole situation on Earth was everyone just saying what they’re thinking without common sense stopping them? Yes, I think the explicit intent of that scene was "actually, even good people, even people who are on "the side of the angels", have such thoughts sometimes - you are not immune to widely-held cultural bigotries etc.".
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Dec 10, 2023 01:30
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Yeah, in case people don't have context: 60k would be reasonable for a middle class desk job, not great, probably not enough for Donna's husband to stop driving the cab, but enough to be ok on. 120k would be pretty good (it's about 6-7 times minimum wage), although technically the holidays she asked for are less than she's legally required to have in the UK, assuming the position is full time.
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Dec 10, 2023 01:37
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lines posted:Yes, I think the explicit intent of that scene was "actually, even good people, even people who are on "the side of the angels", have such thoughts sometimes - you are not immune to widely-held cultural bigotries etc.". Yeah, the idea is that Kate has those thoughts, but would normally realise that she's wrong and not act on them, but the Toymaker's 'spell' meant she never did that step.
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Dec 10, 2023 01:38
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Davros1 posted:First Chibnall, now RTD; I'm really not enjoying this lack of Osgood. 
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Dec 10, 2023 01:41
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, in case people don't have context: 60k would be reasonable for a middle class desk job, not great, probably not enough for Donna's husband to stop driving the cab, but enough to be ok on. 120k would be pretty good (it's about 6-7 times minimum wage), although technically the holidays she asked for are less than she's legally required to have in the UK, assuming the position is full time. I assume she meant 35 days leave rather than 5 weeks (28 days being the standard, which Google tells me is 5.6 working weeks). One for the HR negotiation when formal onboarding happens. I reckon Donna'll have it.
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Dec 10, 2023 01:44
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Uh, as someone who may have skipped a few episodes here and there, how was Clara killed by a bird?
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Dec 10, 2023 01:47
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Necrothatcher posted:Uh, as someone who may have skipped a few episodes here and there, how was Clara killed by a bird? She got killed by a bird. The episode was called Face the Raven, it was some sort of death raven, she got killed by it. It sort of made sense at the time.
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Dec 10, 2023 01:50
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Remember that the one thing Donna did for herself/the family with the money was to buy their home outright. They'll still have to pay associated homeowning costs on top of just the general cost of living, but that basically means though they're struggling and have to work, they have a level of security/safety net that a lot of other people don't. A 60k a year job now will be a very, very welcome relief. Anyway, completely unrelated to that, I keep having a giggle (  ) over NPH's delivery and expressions when he explains Clara was killed by a bird  https://i.imgur.com/IwXJftp.mp4
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Dec 10, 2023 01:51
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There was a bird that kills you if it flies into you, and it flew into Clara, killing her. e: f,b
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No no, I know all that, but The Toymaker reducing it down to,"She was killed by..... a bird!" and his,"Wait... really?" expression absolutely killed me. Edit: Oh, I somehow missed other posts talking about this, and didn't realize I'd brought it up independently in my post!
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Dec 10, 2023 01:55
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All three episodes hinged their climax on an rear end-pull (the idea of Nothing becoming aware of Something and trying to become is so much more interesting than the cartoon villains they got turned into because "hate is louder", sure okay whatever), so at least this final rear end-pull is so very interesting and paves the way for just absolute fucktons of interesting possibilities. Hell yes, give me a universe where every Doctor is extant out there with their own TARDIS and they can bump into each other maybe, I am so very down for that. Especially if Eccleston and Whittaker want to drop by a bit, we didn't get enough time with him and she was so very poorly served by her writers. Also I hope that "forever" isn't actually all that long, because NPH loving killed it and I want him to be recurring.
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LividLiquid posted:I miss Osgood too. I enjoyed it when she showed up but I'm pretty happy with where we left her. When she first shows up she's a fun Doctor fangirl, appropriate for the 50th anniversary. That gives us a named character that we like to be killed cruelly and callously by Missy. And then the last time we see her she's still got a fascination with the Doctor, but she's also got her own thing that's more important. It's a nice, solid character arc and she gets a better resolution than most of the people in proximity to the Doctor.
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CapnAndy posted:Also I hope that "forever" isn't actually all that long, because NPH loving killed it and I want him to be recurring. Dhawan is fantastic and I'd love to see him with RTD's writing (or Gomez!) but I would not at all be averse to the Master coming out of the tooth looking like NPH 
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Rochallor posted:I enjoyed it when she showed up but I'm pretty happy with where we left her. When she first shows up she's a fun Doctor fangirl, appropriate for the 50th anniversary. That gives us a named character that we like to be killed cruelly and callously by Missy. And then the last time we see her she's still got a fascination with the Doctor, but she's also got her own thing that's more important. It's a nice, solid character arc and she gets a better resolution than most of the people in proximity to the Doctor. Also she might be a Zygon.
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The Toymaker's "Well, that's alright then!" cracked me up every time.
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The_Doctor posted:The Toymaker's "Well, that's alright then!" cracked me up every time. I love how his delivery was the exact same every time but the context made each repetition feel more and more mocking.
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PriorMarcus posted:Also she might be a Zygon. It would have been kind of cool if all the undercover Zygons had been the ones working in UNIT while the humans were affected by the Giggle and going nuts. It would have unfortunately settled without doubt if both Osgoods were Zygons or not though I guess.
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Also I like the theory I saw someone put forth on YouTube on a clip of the Toymaker's first appearance -- the reason he uses strange, stereotypical accents that he slips in and out of is because the Doctor beat him the first time by imitating his voice, and like gently caress he's gonna leave that door open again.
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PriorMarcus posted:Also she might be a Zygon. Well that's alright then!
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Jerusalem posted:I wonder if this Doctor will get a job as a curator? I'm concerned this is how we get The Valeyard. On another note - don't get me wrong, I love NPH. But when he mentioned turning G-d into a jack-in-the-box, my brain went instantly to Billy Mumy. Sean Pertwee also could have made a fun Toymaker, you 'd still get the Batman connection
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Rochallor posted:Well that's alright then! 
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basicblack posted:I'm concerned this is how we get The Valeyard. We already got the Valeyard, and I can't wait for Toby Jones to return!
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Rochallor posted:Well that's alright then! RTD has given us a new meme that everyone will be using for as long as we're talking about the show. I have to wonder if he was diabolical enough to do intentionally...
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I thought it was a fantastically barbed skewer of the Moffat era, followed by a sort of "??? The flux???" to summarise Chibnall's time, which, fair, yeah.
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That little aside of "I made your history a jigsaw, did you enjoy it?" line could (or might not ever have to) do an enormous amount of heavy lifting too. I loved the Doctor's kind of quizzical,"Wait, what does that mean?" reaction.
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He has a thing for redheads
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Jerusalem posted:We already got the Valeyard, and I can't wait for Toby Jones to return! OOOOHHH YEAH... I will wait for Dobby's return... ALSO - summer pants is no pants
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lines posted:I thought it was a fantastically barbed skewer of the Moffat era, followed by a sort of "??? The flux???" to summarise Chibnall's time, which, fair, yeah. It honestly felt like RTD knowing Moffat's a good enough writer to take it (also I'm reminded of Moffat doing a similar thing to RTD's companions in Let's Kill Hitler), while he treated Chibnall with kid gloves by just following up on the Flux point instead of trying to gently mock him, too.
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Rochallor posted:It honestly felt like RTD knowing Moffat's a good enough writer to take it (also I'm reminded of Moffat doing a similar thing to RTD's companions in Let's Kill Hitler), while he treated Chibnall with kid gloves by just following up on the Flux point instead of trying to gently mock him, too. It wasn't on the show, but I do remember after the Timeless Child reveal, both RTD and Moffat cracking some good-natured ribbing at Chibnall on twitter about everybody who had appeared in their runs of the show having actually secretly been the Doctor all along
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lines posted:I thought it was a fantastically barbed skewer of the Moffat era, followed by a sort of "??? The flux???" to summarise Chibnall's time, which, fair, yeah. I don't think it was a skewer because while the companions lived, the Doctor was never happy with how things turned out. It most definitely was not "all right then", it's just the companion avoided the worst outcome.
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