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don't underestimate the ideology of MBAs looking at the military and thinking "we just need better processes and tools here, the people aren't what matter" like they do with every other job i don't know enough, though i'm sure some of you do, but i wonder if that's where the modern popular conception as soldiers being easily replaceable comes from? i've been thinking about FF's post about effective soldiering being about technique and mentality a lot lately
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Frosted Flake posted:Not only are some church bells and early mortars practically identical, you can see where the craftsmanship for gun carriages, and later particularly the timing for firearms locks came from. So, the labour and materials for guns and muskets was incredibly expensive, and even moreso for ships. Remember that a ship of the line had has many cannon as an army (up to 80 or more), and bigger ones too (4-6lb guns were the norm on land, ships had 12-16pdr guns). So the costs, I mean, you can see what they were paying for. A single serious warfighting ship generally held significantly more guns than an entire field army until around the Napoleonic wars iirc.
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:don't underestimate the ideology of MBAs looking at the military and thinking "we just need better processes and tools here, the people aren't what matter" like they do with every other job That conception that US soldiers are easily replaceable developed before WWI through the creation and evolution of managerial techniques "Human engineering" and the low social status of the military that persists to this day. To be considered a good leader, you not only had to have leadership but also intelligence to show you know the tips and tricks to be a "personnel technician." One example was the AGCT or the Army General Classification Test.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_General_Classification_Test quote:The AGCT was used in WWII in place of the Army Alpha and Army Beta Examinations. It was designed to better assess intelligence and learning ability in Army and Marine Corps recruits, as well as aid in their job assignment. Besides measuring intelligence, it was designed to measure specialized aptitude related to technical fields, clerical and administrative jobs, radio code operational tests, driver selection tests, and language tests. I have some shiny charts for you FF https://www.reddit.com/r/cognitiveTesting/comments/16gsdic/army_general_classification_test/ https://clearinghouse-umich-production.s3.amazonaws.com/media/doc/79410.pdf and if anyone wants to take it, https://agctest.com/ AmyL has issued a correction as of 02:18 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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That was a fun little test, with some interesting vocabulary from the 1940s and a lot of "count the number of boxes" visual/spatial questions. The multiple choice A-D format means a lot of the fractions questions can be answered at a glance. Never really looked at ASVAB or any other standardized military tests, I wonder how they compare with difficulty and scoring now vs. then.
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AmyL posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/cognitiveTesting/comments/16gsdic/army_general_classification_test/ lol jesus if i was a soldier and had to see another one of those loving boxes tests i would shoot up the base
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Mr SuperAwesome posted:lol jesus if i was a soldier and had to see another one of those loving boxes tests i would shoot up the base (yes, myers briggs is part of an op)
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I find them relaxing, intake was always more comfortable to me than actually talking to someone in Mental Health, and on course it meant I could be done the exams in about as long as it took me to fill out the boxes because if you know the material you don't even need to think, it's all right there.
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In order to be an artillery officer, you need to ace the box questions.
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Danann posted:In order to be an artillery officer, you need to ace the box questions. You do need to score pretty high on the CFAT, yeah. I was in the 50-something percentile in math but got a waiver because I was 99+ in language.
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the language and maths questions are interesting at least, guess how many boxes in this picture 20x is just boring and pointless, not really sure how that assesses how good you are at army poo poo (other than... putting up with boring poo poo) whats the myers briggs being an op story?
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Mr SuperAwesome posted:the language and maths questions are interesting at least, guess how many boxes in this picture 20x is just boring and pointless, not really sure how that assesses how good you are at army poo poo (other than... putting up with boring poo poo) i'm really just kidding, but i mean in the sense that the use of these tests -- whose theory came a little earlier, developed by people like Francis Galton, who basically invented eugenics (and coined the word) -- were pioneered by the us military. see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodworth_Personal_Data_Sheet here are some questions. interactive version here Woodworth Psychoneurotic Inventory openpsychometrics.org posted:
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Mr SuperAwesome posted:the language and maths questions are interesting at least, guess how many boxes in this picture 20x is just boring and pointless, not really sure how that assesses how good you are at army poo poo (other than... putting up with boring poo poo) It's because in the 40's or whatever, they thought spacial awareness was a requirement for operating complex machinery, and being a soldiering was, and still is I suppose though not as dramatically, very technical. In the IJA, for example, there were soldiers recruited from rural Japan who had no idea how internal combustion engines worked that had to serve as mechanics. So the idea is if someone naturally understands shapes and space, they'll intuitively understand how to operate x or take apart assembly y.
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Frosted Flake posted:It's because in the 40's or whatever, they thought spacial awareness was a requirement for operating complex machinery, and being a soldiering was, and still is I suppose though not as dramatically, very technical. In the IJA, for example, there were soldiers recruited from rural Japan who had no idea how internal combustion engines worked that had to serve as mechanics. So the idea is if someone naturally understands shapes and space, they'll intuitively understand how to operate x or take apart assembly y. SYQ  I'll talk more about it next week. FF, look up repple depple syndrome and stuff by Canadian Brigadier General B. Chisholm sometime. Fascinating stuff, fascinating. AmyL has issued a correction as of 02:33 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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those silly aptitude/psych tests are mostly there to cover corporate asses when poo poo inevitably happens lol if anyone thinks otherwise
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I enjoyed listening to that book many years ago. Listening to that book's description of Midway made me consider how we frame costly victories. The early waves of American attacks were rough and inconclusive due to deficiencies of equipment and training (like those useless torpedoes), but the Americans just kept piling on and eventually wore down the Japanese so they started to make an impact and ended up sinking those ships that swung the K:D ratio way in favor of the US. For a Western military we'll call this something like bloody mindedness and grit. If it were a Soviet or Chinese military we'd say they were just communist bug people who don't recognize casualties and kept marching to their doom like ants unthinkingly following a scent trail. For all their propagandist tone I've been happy to watch the Chinese Korean war movies because at least someone is making movies about the forgotten war and only the Chinese would admit they didn't just swarm over US positions and win by virtue of their endless Asiatic hordes. They had more forces (there is an advantage to a war fought on your border instead of the other side of the globe), but they won because they fought with skill learned over long years fighting the Japanese and the KMT.
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FuzzySlippers posted:I enjoyed listening to that book many years ago. Listening to that book's description of Midway made me consider how we frame costly victories. The early waves of American attacks were rough and inconclusive due to deficiencies of equipment and training (like those useless torpedoes), but the Americans just kept piling on and eventually wore down the Japanese so they started to make an impact and ended up sinking those ships that swung the K:D ratio way in favor of the US. For a Western military we'll call this something like bloody mindedness and grit. If it were a Soviet or Chinese military we'd say they were just communist bug people who don't recognize casualties and kept marching to their doom like ants unthinkingly following a scent trail. If you refer to the US tactics in the battle of Okinawa as "Human Wave Attacks" people get really really mad at you.
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Palladium posted:those silly aptitude/psych tests are mostly there to cover corporate asses when poo poo inevitably happens I thought they were there to funnel money into 3rd party providers that themselves provide kickbacks for using their services.
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Palladium posted:those silly aptitude/psych tests are mostly there to cover corporate asses when poo poo inevitably happens but i took one and it said i was a ravenclaw (venus rising)
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FuzzySlippers posted:I enjoyed listening to that book many years ago. Listening to that book's description…  jk
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BearsBearsBears posted:If you refer to the US tactics in the battle of Okinawa as "Human Wave Attacks" people get really really mad at you. "perfidious chinese only won korea by human wave tactics" "so did they really outnumber us in troops?" "no, but nevertheless" also america also really really wants to forget "macarthur's bizarre Philippines adventure" Palladium has issued a correction as of 07:26 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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FuzzySlippers posted:I enjoyed listening to that book many years ago. Listening to that book's description of Midway made me consider how we frame costly victories. The early waves of American attacks were rough and inconclusive due to deficiencies of equipment and training (like those useless torpedoes), but the Americans just kept piling on and eventually wore down the Japanese so they started to make an impact and ended up sinking those ships that swung the K:D ratio way in favor of the US. For a Western military we'll call this something like bloody mindedness and grit. If it were a Soviet or Chinese military we'd say they were just communist bug people who don't recognize casualties and kept marching to their doom like ants unthinkingly following a scent trail. "The Americans won Midway via airplane wave tactics" would be an incredible bit to troll with
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No hating on audiobooks you definitely don’t absorb as much as reading but they are better than focusing your hate on other drivers or whatever. When I lived in Southern California the only affordable rent had hell commutes and I had to drive between LA and San Diego for meetings. This was before podcasts blew up so audiobooks kept me sane.
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FuzzySlippers posted:No hating on audiobooks you definitely don’t absorb as much as reading but they are better than focusing your hate on other drivers or whatever. When I lived in Southern California the only affordable rent had hell commutes and I had to drive between LA and San Diego for meetings. This was before podcasts blew up so audiobooks kept me sane. For sure. I listen to audiobooks when I’m falling asleep, in the gym, on my bike. I’ve started making recordings of books I’m reading that aren’t available in audiobook form, for example https://voca.ro/1meJp3YLiaYq and https://voca.ro/1fiMzI0cM4PR Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 17:17 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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Frosted Flake posted:But without a labour theory of value, I don't know, do liberals just think spending more got you a better army? Without realizing that the costs represented the value of both the labourers and the soldiers labour? Because that's the only way I can see them believing that paying more for a military with far fewer people, that does not industrially produce logistics, is better. Playing the greatest hits, "the dominant ideology is the ideology of the dominant class" from the The German Ideology. As financial capitalism takes hold and becomes dominant in neoliberalism, it's the financier capitalist's worldview that becomes more imperative. As they have the greater means of capital and capital has more pull of power in those conditions, it is as if things are spontaneously rearranged in their favor. Try to view such problems in their shoes. What background does the financier capitalist have? What education, what parents, what activities their families were involved? A CEO, a managerial financier, is someone who deals with the world in terms of finance, because that is their function, their social role. Individually, there are capitalists who of course have command of history, of sociology; there are the rare ones who do also have command of political economy. However, even as powerful individuals, that doesn't mean that they necessarily are able to leverage that force in structural matters. For example: such an individual, seized by a bout of nationalist fervor and imperial sentiment, decides to mobilize capital to build a no-bullshit military factory. His potential investors, however, don't get swayed by the less-than-average predicted ROI and initial estimates of valuation. Raytheon, Lockheed et al don't like this unexpected surge of competition one bit and take to the government to judicially pile upon the company; consultant groups analyze if they would be committing unfair market practices by delivering prices below average rate while having lesser average profitability and so on and on This individual wants to address a real material problem, but the others around him do not see how that can be interesting if there are no gains in profitability to be had, because that is the main ideological problem to be dealt with. "Do I receive a greater return than what I invested? Is that return better than other possible investments? How can I have more?" This capitalist class takes things like redundancy or capacity as anathema. Efficiency, for them, is a purely financial angle: spend less as possible and get the most out of it for the sake of profit, not for the actual problem that they are engaging with.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Playing the greatest hits, "the dominant ideology is the ideology of the dominant class" from the The German Ideology. tremendous post.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Playing the greatest hits, "the dominant ideology is the ideology of the dominant class" from the The German Ideology. This is going in the posting hall of fame, well done. https://voca.ro/1awLIp7LXbdu
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The ruling class (financier class) has to share the same interest of the nation state, otherwise the state will become more and more disfunctional and illogical things
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stephenthinkpad posted:The ruling class (financier class) has to share the same interest of the nation state, otherwise the state will become more and more disfunctional and illogical things One of the funnier things about Italian Fascism and Naziism was that the grand project of the Black and Brown Shirts was hijacked the moment they made their deal with the financiers and industrialists, because while it put them in power, their projects of national reorganization, revitalization, and certainly military conquest were a dead letter.
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Frosted Flake posted:One of the funnier things about Italian Fascism and Naziism was that the grand project of the Black and Brown Shirts was hijacked the moment they made their deal with the financiers and industrialists, because while it put them in power, their projects of national reorganization, revitalization, and certainly military conquest were a dead letter. Funniest Italian Fascist thing was Victor Emmanuel III causing his own downfall by stanning the Blackshirts (because he was a Fascist creep himself) and putting Mussolini into power during the March to Rome only to have Mussolini lose power and De Gasperi telling Victor to gently caress off when he tried pulling the same "I'll abdicate!!!11" bullshit he did with Luigi Facta in 1922 during the March to Rome.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Playing the greatest hits, "the dominant ideology is the ideology of the dominant class" from the The German Ideology.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Playing the greatest hits, "the dominant ideology is the ideology of the dominant class" from the The German Ideology. Frosted Flake posted:This is going in the posting hall of fame, well done.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Playing the greatest hits, "the dominant ideology is the ideology of the dominant class" from the The German Ideology. Great post.
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Frosted Flake posted:This is going in the posting hall of fame, well done. this guy suddenly becomes italian half way through the script lol
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stephenthinkpad posted:The ruling class (financier class) has to share the same interest of the nation state, otherwise the state will become more and more disfunctional and illogical things Ohhh so that’s what’s happening!
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stephenthinkpad posted:The ruling class (financier class) has to share the same interest of the nation state, otherwise the state will become more and more disfunctional and illogical things Other way round, surely?
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The Oldest Man posted:this guy suddenly becomes italian half way through the script lol Whenever you use foreign words it breaks the whole thing unfortunately
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Yeah, it feels like one of the defining elements of the contemporary financial class is that they don't understand their methods are a scam. They genuinely believe that this tail chasing financialization is just the best possible way to organize society. The significance is that since they are true believers, they aren't going to change course even if it is in their interest to do so. That's why I don't think overtly financialized neoliberal states are able to fight and win actual wars. They either have to become a different sort of society or find an acceptable defeat that is able to be reframed as victory. When you no longer consider material reality to be significant on its own then managing perception is the safer and more profitable course. Frosted Flake posted:This is going in the posting hall of fame, well done. This is some kind of AI reading? It's surprisingly good.
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Frosted Flake posted:This is going in the posting hall of fame, well done. Lmao at the robot just starting on Christmas Caroll in the end. dead gay comedy forums posted:Playing the greatest hits, "the dominant ideology is the ideology of the dominant class" from the The German Ideology. Yup
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