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Frosted Flake posted:UWO famously changed their name from University of Western Ontario to Western University (wink wink) to entice foreign students recruited abroad. You know I thought this was bullshit but I couldn't be bothered to look it up but now I will take 5 seconds of effort to copypaste from Wikipedia: The University of Western Ontario (UWO; branded as Western University) ... was founded on 7 March 1878 by Bishop Isaac Hellmuth of the Anglican Diocese of Huron as the Western University of London, Ontario. So no, they didn't change their official name, and as for the insinuation that rebranding is pandering or whatever, pretty much everyone I know referred to it as just Western 20-odd years ago rather than UWO. Who gives a poo poo if they did some half-assed real life SEO?
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Facebook Aunt posted:I don't think some of you understand how deeply silly the 2 stairwells rule can be in small buildings. This is not why developers aren't building housing, and lowering the standards of the building code will not change that. Precambrian Video Games posted:Who gives a poo poo if they did some half-assed real life SEO? Presumably the foreign students they recruit.
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If they name the stadium after Rob Ford, the fans have to all agree to just call it "The Crackhouse"
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etobicrackcokeaine stadium
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infernal machines posted:if doug ford is any guide, he'll have the least effective majority government in history Doug Ford has been very effective at doing what his handlers wanted. Healthcare is collapsing and housing will not be fixed for generations. The new serfdom has been secured. The only reason he's been allowed to flounder lately is because the handlers have what they want and don't need to watch him anymore. On a national level PP has not accomplished what they want so his handlers will be very careful.
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Durf posted:here's a fun image I saw today. ridings displayed via representation instead of real estate Love to be in PEI - my useless vote counts for like 100 of yours!
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Entropic posted:If they name the stadium after Rob Ford, the fans have to all agree to just call it "The Crackhouse" why not Fordlândia
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Frosted Flake posted:Allowing for more, and worse, tenement fires by getting ride of codes, rather than forcing developers to build is exactly what's wrong with Canadian political horizons. He's right, anyone saying otherwise hasn't experienced a building fire. Fire spreads unbelievably quickly, if you are 4 stories up and the single stairwell is on fire you are trusting your life to how quickly the fire department can get through traffic. Odds are in your favour, but you're rolling the dice. That second stairwell would mean you'd be outside in about 1 minute. As FF says, raise your standards a little folks. Look at that building in Langford that started collapsing and was found to not be up to code. Developers are already not meeting the code, chances are they aren't fully complying with the fire code. You folks want to loosen regulation on them?
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It's not clear whether single stair cases would be loosening regulations. It could well be that we end up increasing regulations if we're adding even more fire safety measures to compensate for removing the requirement of a back up stairway. Really is an implementation detail here. There's a right way to do this and a wrong way. As the previously posted article notes: quote:Second, some well-meaning people describe single-stair as “deregulation” because it modifies the fire code and strips buildings of one form of egress, thus making them more unsafe. I think it’s important to distinguish between a change in the building code and the rolling back of the building code. Like I said before, single-stair buildings are de rigueur in much of Europe, in places like Switzerland, which have much lower rates of fires than the US does. Compensation for the loss of egress can come in many forms, like compartmentalization of units to keep fire from spreading or increased fire suppression measures like sprinklers. Essentially, the change in code would substitute one safety feature for another rather than remove fire protection altogether. Theoretically, single stair-buildings are no less safe than those built using double-loaded corridors.
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Could we not just install those fun airplane emergency slides outside everyone's window?
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Virtual Russian posted:He's right, anyone saying otherwise hasn't experienced a building fire. Fire spreads unbelievably quickly, if you are 4 stories up and the single stairwell is on fire you are trusting your life to how quickly the fire department can get through traffic. Odds are in your favour, but you're rolling the dice. That second stairwell would mean you'd be outside in about 1 minute. you're right, apartments all over europe and the rest of world burn down all the time murdering millions because they only have 1 stairwell
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Changing the code and enforcing it are two separate matters.
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CLAM DOWN posted:you're right, apartments all over europe and the rest of world burn down all the time murdering millions because they only have 1 stairwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire i mean, kinda, yeah it's not like you CAN'T compensate for only having one staircase by other means but lol if you think they're going to do that here
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Entropic posted:If they name the stadium after Rob Ford, the fans have to all agree to just call it "The Crackhouse" bumbacrack
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Femtosecond posted:It's not clear whether single stair cases would be loosening regulations. It could well be that we end up increasing regulations if we're adding even more fire safety measures to compensate for removing the requirement of a back up stairway. cock hero flux posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire grenfall is an example of a situation of a building built exactly to code (single access / egress), and where the scottish building code was literally amended to prevent this from happening again (buildings higher than six storeys must have more than one access / egress) Hubbert posted:I stand by what I said.
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I would simply not wrap tall buildings in flammable cladding. Or short buildings. Arguably any buildings, really.
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you'll never make it as a landlord with that attitude.
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there aught to be some law against cladding a building with oily rags, gasoline, and fireworks.
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ZShakespeare posted:there aught to be some law against cladding a building with oily rags, gasoline, and fireworks. it didn’t go up like a torch, it just was a torch
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Hubbert posted:grenfall is an example of a situation of a building built exactly to code (single access / egress), and where the scottish building code was literally amended to prevent this from happening again (buildings higher than six storeys must have more than one access / egress) begging people to read the article that keeps getting linked. quote:It’s not just that building codes exist; it’s that they also need to be enforced. Grenfell Tower in London, for example, was a single-stair building. But the reason the 2017 fire that claimed 72 lives proved so deadly was because of years of negligence and mismanagement, as well as the use of a particularly flammable material chosen (despite explicit instructions otherwise) as cladding during exterior renovations. In short, the deadly results of Grenfell were caused by naked exploitation and greed. But yea also I'm not sure BC is interested in extending single stairs beyond six floors. Seems like that causes more problems if a fire truck ladder can't reach floors beyond that. Femtosecond has issued a correction as of 06:11 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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So many people feeling really bad at Pilievre maybe winning next election, and all I can say is "He wouldn't win if the Liberals and NDP didn't suck poo poo."
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Canadian liberals will spend their whole lives saying “Canada has free public healthcare, unlike the States” and “Just because Ireland has free post-secondary education doesn’t mean it could ever work in Canada”, but the second the developers get a news cycle going, suddenly Canada needs to get in line with the rest of the world (by deregulating the building code).
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Hubbert posted:grenfall is an example of a situation of a building built exactly to code (single access / egress), and where the scottish building code was literally amended to prevent this from happening again (buildings higher than six storeys must have more than one access / egress) that's not why it was a disaster, i recommend some reading into it!
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CLAM DOWN posted:that's not why it was a disaster, i recommend some reading into it! OK but other people expounded upon it in this thread And femtosecond demands we all read articles but Scotland matches their previous pitch: no more than six storeys, unless you wanna slam that second staircase in. Scotland didn't have a second staircase until the rules came into effect. That's how their building code changed. I still want to know how six storeys single access & egress works. Pressurized staircase? Fully sprinklered? Non-combustible build? What else?
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Hubbert posted:OK but other people expounded upon it in this thread you know that more people die in apartment fires here, with 2 stairs, right?
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this is the dumbest argument
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CLAM DOWN posted:you know that more people die in apartment fires here, with 2 stairs, right?  do they? i mean i had my apartment building catch fire a few years back but like, everyone just left? down the stairs? seems like you don't die if you do that, but if there's only one maybe it's on fire and you can't. i dunno, seems like having 2 staircases isn't so much to ask and that housing prices aren't so loving nuts purely because a second set of stairs is some unsustainable luxury and the free market will correct it if only the man wasn't forcing them to add all these unnecessary stairs
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cock hero flux posted:
Surely a "high-rise building" is taller than six stories?
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ZShakespeare posted:this is the dumbest argument thank you what would you like to talk about
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okay okay let's compromise two staircases but each has half as many stairs
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Facebook Aunt posted:Surely a "high-rise building" is taller than six stories? funnily enough the building code definition is 6 stories for residential buildings
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no canadian can afford land-based housing, so we build three-storey fireproof walkups in the sky instead
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there should be two stair wells so the arsonist has options when torching the property under construction
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pokeyman posted:okay okay let's compromise stairs around one side of the shaft, slide on the other.
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the obvious solution is u have to have as many staircases as floors
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I would be curious if the 2nd staircase is there to replace the traditional fire escape you see on many older buildings. Also, if Hollywood is any indication, firefighters just need to detonate the enormous water towers atop the building to put out a fire. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xRtWbWmwu2U&t=158s
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Just make a fireproof tunnel though the center of the building with a pole so people can just slide down
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Why are we building apartments to some "code" just use language the regular man can understand! Enough of this gatekeeping, we need some common sense solutions tbh
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