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Well, it's also worth noting that both DL-6 and SL-9 seem to precede the Initial System.
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Part 146: Episode 5, Day 3, Investigation: Chief's Office Music: Silence   I don't see Detective Gumshoe anywhere.Were we supposed to be looking for him?  You're right. (The Chief of Detectives seems the same though.) Okay? I thought we had a destination in mind already. Right. We can come back here later. I really just came here as a way to get to the Police Department, but I guess we can stop and look around.  That man must be the Chief of Detectives. He's staring at the screen so hard it might shatter.  That's what I thought all along... I just never bothered to tell anyone. (Now there's a guy who cares about his work...)Real helpful, thanks pal.  That must be one of the detectives. He's mumbling something to himself.  "Very clever indeed... That would explain the alibi!" ... He's not writing a report... he's writing a novel.I hope all those ideas aren't for the same novel. Someone needs to tell him that sometimes less is more.  Anyway...   Sound: Realization I would've thought we'd be more likely to see you in the detention center than at the police station. Music: Jake Marshall ~ The Detective from the Wild West  Oh, Mr. Marshall!Sound: Light Bulb   Que será será. You never know where life'll lead you, eh Bambina?  Billy...? Must be his pet cactus. Say, where are you headed? Sound: Realization It's a "voluntary" appearance, but we all know I won't be coming back.  But Mr. Marshall... Why did you do it?Sound: Whack Why do prospectors head west? Before you turn yourself in, Mr. Marshall... would you mind telling us exactly what happened?  Before we interrogate Marshall, some light distractions.  My new favorite running background gag. Look, that patrolman is saluting that other guy. He must be a detective! So I cuff the lout, right? then you know what he says?  Oh, man. I hate it when that happens! ... Sound: Realization They make a good pair. Moving on to evidence...  Sorry, Bambina. I'm nothing more than a wanted man, now.From cowboy to outlaw, just like that.  Like Lana, Jake Marshall has nothing to say to any of our evidence.  Let's see if we can get any more information about the night his brother was killed.  Something was fishy about that trial from the beginning. What do you mean, "fishy"? Some of the facts reported were inconsistent with the evidence we found. The murder weapon? You mean... that switchblade knife with the broken tip? That was Joe Darke's, all right. A question...?Sound: Realization  What does that mean? ...! A suspicious autopsy report, you say? Maybe Lana was the one who messed with Mia's autopsy report, too, rather than Edgeworth. Also, was Lana really so crazy to nail the man who attacked her sister that she ignored this obvious sign that someone else actually killed Neil Marshall? Apparently so. (Could the facts have been concealed with forged evidence...?) That case left behind scars on all of us. The "scars" that the SL-9 Incident left behind... Sure would be nice to have some evidence we could use to talk about the forged autopsy report. We do have the not-really murder weapon itself, I suppose. That Lana hid in Edgeworth's tailpipe for some reason. Hey, I have an idea. Maybe Goodman was really stabbed with the SL-9 knife, and then when Lana saw it still in Goodman's chest, she panicked and stabbed Goodman again with Edgeworth's knife to try and cover it up?  I had just made detective when it went down. It was our first case together... He was 27 at the time.That puts him at 4 years younger than Jake here.  The... "highest honor"? You mean the... King of Prosecutors.Sound: Realization (I knew it...) (Mr. Marshall must have really been close with his brother.)  That's right. It was the day of the evidence transferal.Sound: Realization I'm not following this episode another two years back in time to a third case. Music: Silence ..! Interesting...Sound: Light Bulb  I can't believe two years have gone by already. (Apparently someone tried to stop you.) (Detective Goodman was murdered... and the evidence locker was empty.)Hey, maybe the two side-by-side murders in the prologue are also supposed to represent the first killing two years ago and the one now, with all the parallels between them. I should go back and watch that prologue video again when this episode is over. Music: Jake Marshall ~ The Detective from the Wild West   Every detective involved in that investigation, save one, was... taken care of.  What about Detective Goodman?  Sound: Realization "They"...? Who are you talking about!? Don't get upset, Bambina.    That case was the biggest step in both of their careers. After the case ended, Lana transferred to the Prosecutor's Office, right?  ?Sound: Light Bulb Everyone who knew her said so. Sound: Realization (Now that he mentions it, Ema said something like that too...) Tell me... what happened to my sister! I never found out. (Lana's "secret"... It all started two years ago.)Did Lana know that it wasn't Darke who killed Neil Marshall? And made a deal with Gant to make it look that way anyway, to put away the serial killer who had attacked her sister? She said she'd "sold her soul" in that trial...  We get a new scene after clearing all of Marshall's topics, starting with him hitting his flask while he still can. Music: Silence  So there you have it.Sound: Realization  It was certainly... enlightening. There's one thing for sure I found out in court today. Music: Recollection ~ The SL-9 Incident    Sound: Light Bulb  No, I believe him. Gant has had his fingers all over this case from the beginning.  Sound: Pop For some reason the game chooses now to break out a different animation of Marshall drinking from his flask. This time with him spitting out the top of it? Wait, was he just pretending to be drinking this whole time, and only now did he actually take the top off and drink for real? Music: Silence Too bad I won't be around to work with you... Sound: Realization Adios Bambina!Marshall quietly fades away, leaving us alone in front of the police department.  Sure enough, we can't get into the evidence room today. No sign of the Chief's Office, either. It must be back at Criminal Affairs instead? Rather than go straight back there, let's check out the parking garage for the first time today.  No one's here today... Not even Ms. Starr. That must be where the detectives are. But we proved in court today that on the day of the crime, no on was murdered in the evidence room at 5:15 PM.Sound: Realization  But instead it looks like we just ended up making Lana look even more guilty. Hang in there, Lana... (I've got to find all the answers by tomorrow!)These two (and/or the writers) are apparently losing track of where we are in this case. The current theory is that Goodman was murdered in the evidence room, just not at 5:15 PM. Maybe I confused them by going back to the original crime scene.  Only one thing different out here.  That's where we found that note. "2/21 SL-9"... The SL-9 Incident.  The Joe Darke Killings. (Everyone in this case played some part in that incident.) (This has to be more than just sheer coincidence!) Might as well stop by Edgeworth's office while we're in the area.  Mr. Edgeworth isn't here. Maybe he's being questioned by an inquiry committee? (He took a real beating in court today...) I guess we'll just have to come back later. Just a couple things to look at in here.  No kidding. Hey, there's a card on it... Sound: Realization ("Wendy"...? I've heard that name somewhere before.)  Wow, I want one! Huh? There's something written on the bottom of his foot. Sound: Realization Bonus for a shot of Ema mid-blink, like she's not happy that Edgeworth has an admirer.  Nope! Interesting thing to change! Did Oldbag send another round flowers+statue for Edgeworth after his hard day? Does she do this often? Does Edgeworth have a collection of Steel Samurai figures somewhere?  Whoa! I guess you would feel... important. Incidentally...  ... Sound: Light Bulb (There's a 0.0002% chance you'd live?)That's about the chance of a flatbed truck carrying a stack of mattresses and parking right under that window.  I think we've been everywhere we can go at least once now. Time to resume our search for the Chief's Office.  This place is always pretty empty, but today it's deserted. That must mean everyone's busy solving crimes. Sound: Realization Uh... thanks. (Wow, he actually talked to us!)Sound: Light Bulb  about Mr. Edgeworth, not to mention our statement to the media and tomorrow's trial... (I think "festive" is the word usually used for those...) Just use the connecting hallway to the other building and take the elevator to the top floor. Sound: Realization Ema! Once you've made the sale, stop selling! I mean, we aren't police officers or anything.Sound: Realization Hey, you're right! You can't go in there! It's off limits!Sound: Light Bulb (Now I see where Detective Gumshoe gets his unique charm...) Looks like we're just going to ignore the protests from the Chief of Detectives, now that we know where to go. Music: Investigation - Opening  Off to investigate our third crime scene of the episode. Granted, this next one is two years old...  Uh... wow. Did not see there being a giant pipe organ in Gant's office. Music: Damon Gant ~ Swimming, Anyone? Whoa... Where am I? Quite the office. Check out that pipe organ. That's real, isn't it?  They used to call me "Little Miss Bach." Music: Silence  Sound: Organ The game's breaking out new sound effects all over this update, even pausing the music for this one. Way less annoying than Meekins's bullhorn, at least. I never could remember where C was... Sound: Realization Oops, looks like we weren't quick enough. Music: Damon Gant ~ Swimming, Anyone?  Chief Gant!Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Realization It's the screwdriver in the hotel room drawer all over again. The rest of this investigation day is going to be trying to get access to that desk, isn't it?  Sound: Whack Sound: Clapping Uh... no, I haven't. I've been kind of busy lately.  and Lana's provocative statement. "Provocative statement"... oh, you mean about the forged evidence.Sound: Realization   My, how time flies!  Hang on a second - that jar in the background, is that the same one we found in the evidence room? And Neil has that trophy, that we know he won the day he was killed. So the jar was definitely broken later that day? Wait, that prosecutor trophy, did that always have a broken sword on it, too? And why is there a suit of golden armor holding a suspicious-looking blade there? I have the sudden urge to spray it with luminol. Was this picture taken in Gant's office? (So this is Mr. Marshall's brother... Prosecutor Neil Marshall...) ... (Something's not right with this picture.) (I can't quite seem to put my finger on it though...)Sound: Realization  Sound: Select Jingle I think we'll be getting a lot of use out of this picture tomorrow.  I think that's the same suit of armor in the background as was in that picture? Kind of hard for me to tell. Music: Silence  Oh, don't mind us, we won't be spraying down the entire place with luminol or anything.  Boo. Oh...Sound: Realization But this office... it was a crime scene two years ago, wasn't it? Sound: Whack All the same, we'd still like to have a look around. Sound: Realization Music: Damon Gant ~ Swimming, Anyone? ...! Sound: Whack Sound: Clapping This guy is either guilty as gently caress or the game is doing a great job faking me out again.  We find ourselves back outside. Gant's music is still playing. It seems that case isn't over with yet, after all. What do you mean?Sound: Realization Music: Silence Chief Gant denied our request to search the "crime scene." You mean like, a clue!?Sound: Light Bulb (There's got to be a way we can get inside the Chief's office...)Music: Investigation - Core  Well. All that activity must've unlocked something somewhere else. Where should we go next?
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Even though the Chief Prosecutor that Redd White called in Case 2 is supposed to have been a different character in Japanese (and is supposed to be a man based on text blips and White's word usage), it is funny how him blackmailing Lana about the Joe Darke case is something that could also work.
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I have no ear for instruments at all, is Gant's theme supposed to be something that could be produced by a pipe organ?
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Truthkeeper posted:I have no ear for instruments at all, is Gant's theme supposed to be something that could be produced by a pipe organ?
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I know you've mentioned that Ema grows on you pretty fast when you realize her actual stake in SL-9, but I feel the same goes for Marshall. He's a huge pain in the rear end on day one, but I've completely turned around on him by this point. Angel Starr and Meekins still have a long way to go, though. I'd be okay with just bumping into neither.
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Don't show the attorney badge to anyone at all
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I know you've mentioned that Ema grows on you pretty fast when you realize her actual stake in SL-9, but I feel the same goes for Marshall. He's a huge pain in the rear end on day one, but I've completely turned around on him by this point. I might just be easily entertained, because I was sold on him from the word Texas. 
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The fact that Gant has a big old pipe organ in his office and probably plays his theme on it like Necros from the living daylights just makes him even more fun.
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Or Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time.
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...! posted:Don't show the attorney badge to anyone at all i was tired of the bit but this time, you reinvigorated me
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I might just be easily entertained, because I was sold on him from the word Texas. I'm from Texas and I likewise loved him from moment one.
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Part 147: Episode 5, Day 3, Investigation: Broken Knife For breaking into the office of the Chief of Police, we're going to need some inside help.  So back to Criminal Affairs we go!  Sound: Light Bulb Detective Gumshoe! Aren't you supposed to be in a meeting? From sitting so long? Actually... Sound: Realization (Sounds like Detective Gumshoe's still out of the loop...) Sound: Whack Edgeworth? No. Why do you ask?Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Whack  It's almost like the battles between you two in court!Sound: Objection That sounds serious... That's basically what it all boils down to. That falsified evidence two years ago. Yikes...Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal  So can Gumshoe help us break into the Chief's office? Will he help us?  But first, our background characters have something new to say again. That man must be the Chief of Detectives. He's staring at the screen so hard it might shatter. What do I do!? Quick! Someone bring me the classifieds! Help Wanted section!!!Sound: Whack (So much for "duty"...)The idea of finding a job in the newspaper is so quaint now.  That must be one of the detectives. He's mumbling something to himself.  "Very clever indeed... Who would have thought of multiple personalities?" ... I think it's way past time for that.Are these all the same novel...?  Back to Gumshoe. We need some specific help here but we're going to have to work to get it I guess. But why would Edgeworth be blamed? It's not like he knew the evidence was forged! Lana Skye is the guilty party here, isn't she? ...Great defending your client there, Phoenix.  Not only that, Sound: Wipe   quote:Original line: "Those who don't like him haven't been able to do anything because of his amazing talent as a prosecutor." Doesn't flow as well I guess? Sound: Wipe  I do like the game cycling through all of Edgeworth's arrogant animations during this chat. Are there really so many people who hate him? but he's young. There's no better recipe I know of for making enemies. Sound: Light Bulb  Yes sir! Sound: Light Bulb Yes sir! Sound: Light Bulb Yes sir! It seems you don't have any problems with enemies.  I loved that scene. Anyway, I'm a bit worried about him. Sound: Realization I think that's a hint to go check on Edgeworth next.   (He seems genuinely concerned for Edgeworth...) Well? Did you find out anything? Sound: Objection His final attack? You mean... Sound: Realization Music: Silence Sound: Wipe  Me...Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal (It seems Detective Gumshoe never realized Ema was the girl...) Well? What was it? Sound: Light Bulb ... Sound: Realization (His powers of recollection never fail to impress.) It might jog his memory!Oh, I'll show him everything we have soon enough.  We did get one more topic to explore first, though.  A businessman? What made him take to serial killing? With his car? So... it was an accident?Music: Silence  Sound: Objection An animal...Sound: Realization Sound: Wipe Music: Recollection ~ The SL-9 Incident     The hell? That's not a serial killer, that's a crazy mass-murderer! Did that all happen in one day? How the hell was there no evidence of any of that!? Seems he was a pretty careless animal. Of course, this is all conjecture. So, he turned himself in... Music: Silence  Sound: Guilty  quote:Original line: "That crime was witnessed by someone too, but fortunately he was arrested on the spot." Makes it sound like the witness was the one arrested.  (That last "witness"...)Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal (AKA Ema...)Sound: Realization quote:Here's one where I actually like the original line better: "(He must mean Ema...)" I don't see anything wrong with that line, and forcing in an "AKA" instead is just kind of weird and awkward. Apparently Darke knew the police are incompetent at actually investigating crimes and overly reliant on witnesses. So he went crazy killing all the witnesses, and the police were unable to pin anything on him!  Let's start the evidence chain. Everything to the left of the Blue Badger here just has the same scene as in earlier days, so we'll start here. This guy almost made us lose the case today. What are you talking about?Sound: Whack  That's more than you can say about most officers nowadays!Sound: Objection  Maybe? Would Marshall have wiped it off, like he did his own? Or would it have just been plainly visible in the security video from the beginning? We still would've had to go through all the contortions to prove that Marshall wasn't Goodman. (I have to admit he's right though...) (Thanks to the Blue Badger, we were able to prove another possibility today:) (The possibility that another murder took place prior to 5:15 PM...)Sound: Realization  Remember this autopsy report? It has said that Goodman could have died as early as 4 PM from the very start of this case. Crazy how long it's taken us to get to this thing being relevant. Let me share a little advice with you as a detective. I'll, uh, keep that in mind. Sheesh!Yeah, it's still not game-relevant just yet. Gumshoe has a theme on his "don't care" reactions in this episode, but they are subtly different each day.  You know, I wonder if this game engine always had the ability to display three pages of evidence, or if this episode had to add that in. I guess we'll see eventually if it happened in the second or third games of the trilogy or not. Anyway, here's the alleged murder weapon we need to show Gumshoe. Um, about this... Sound: Light Bulb It has a tag attached to it, with the label "SL-9 Incident" on it. I believe this would be the broken "murder weapon" you were speaking of? What are you doing with that!? I am 99% certain we showed Gumshoe this knife yesterday. On the day Detective Goodman was murdered, this suddenly disappeared from the locker,Sound: Wipe  It seems unlikely that the knife traveled all the way from the Police Department to the Prosecutor's Office in Edgeworth's muffler. More likely it was in Edgeworth's trunk? Perhaps in Goodman's chest? ... That's it!Sound: Whack Music: Silence   When you showed me that knife, it all came back to me!Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Whack Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal  We did unlock a new topic there. If we present the knife to Gumshoe before talking to him, the scene doesn't change, but it doesn't really make any sense in that order. I guess the game is assuming we always talk before presenting stuff? Anyway, we have more evidence to show Gumshoe! Hey, I just bought some of that stuff!Sound: Light Bulb  Wow! Is that a new type? I've never seen that bottle before.Sound: Light Bulb  "Base height"? Hey, let me see that! Sound: Realization You mean this can't detect any blood traces!?Sound: Light Bulb Uh, well... It's not quite the same thing as luminol. Now there's a quality pun. Is Phoenix canonically short? He seemed very interested in improving his height...  That's the ID card record, isn't it?Music: Silence  the victim, Detective Goodman, must have entered the evidence room along with someone else. Someone with an "executive officer" number:Sound: Realization Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal  That's one "seven" too many, Detective.Sound: Light Bulb (An executive officer. Hmm... I just might have a hunch.)I appreciate the commitment to repeating that joke several times now, too. I think this whole episode really just needs more Gumshoe. The joke works even better in Japanese, I think. I'm not sure if the original script would've used "shichi" or "nana" but both can get confusing when repeated multiple times in text, particularly the latter.   Sound: Light Bulb Yeah, Mr. Edgeworth gave it to us. Sound: Whack ... Are you okay, Detective?Sound: Light Bulb Music: Silence  Sound: Damage 2 ... ...So are we taking the lid off the powder when we shove it in everyone's faces?  Sound: Light Bulb Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal (Why am I not comforted?) Don't get too restless, we're only halfway done with this list... Oh, a lost item report, huh?Sound: Light Bulb  Well, I am a master of misplacement, you know. "Master"... That has such a cool ring to it! Sound: Realization There's a higher power at work here. Wow, a higher power... (Maybe I shouldn't let Ema hold any evidence...) No locker can be opened without a fingerprint match. Besides... Hey, wasn't your locker the one with the blood on it, Detective? (The handprint of the real murderer's gloved hand... without any fingerprints...) Sound: Whack If that happens, I think you'll do better pleading with Edgeworth.So cold, Phoenix.  About that jar... I think I've seen it before somewhere. "Somewhere"?Sound: Realization  (This must be the most uninformative detective I've ever met...) Something about it makes me uneasy. (Chief Gant?) Where could I have seen that before...?Now there's a great hint to have buried in a random evidence presentation scene. It's like a reward for being thorough!   You know Officer Marshall? Of course I do! He was like a mentor to me!Gumshoe is three years younger than Marshall.  Really? Note to self: Detective Gumshoe talks to a cactus... Sound: Whack ... What? Why are you looking at me like that?Sound: Realization    presentation. To think people are accusing him of injustice... I for one ain't buyin' it, pal!Sound: Whack You're looking into the case for Mr. Edgeworth? After all, a serial killer was on the loose!Sound: Realization (But Lana was pretty clear in her confession.) (She forged evidence in order to prove Joe Darke guilty.)Sound: Realization  Despite the hint to this photo earlier when we presented the jar, Gumshoe doesn't actually have a reaction to the picture itself.  Let's finally get back to that new topic we unlocked five minutes ago. This knife... it was Joe Darke's, wasn't it? The knife still showing in the box over Gumshoe's animation...   That's right. But no one actually witnessed him using it to murder anyone, right? That's where his luck ran out.Sound: Light Bulb  Music: Silence you'll see it's broken!Sound: Damage 2 I love how Gumshoe presents that as a shocking revelation...  Sound: Realization ... Yeah, well anyway!Sound: Whack  It'd be too easy if it were in any other victim but Neil Marshall. That's what did him in! Where was it? Sound: Realization !Sound: Light Bulb It was found deep inside the stab wound. Did it match Darke's knife? Sound: Realization Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal That's pretty... conclusive. Sound: Select Jingle My current theory still holds, though. Just because Neil was stabbed with that knife, doesn't mean he wasn't already dead when it happened, and really killed by some other weapon earlier. In fact, there's a certain elegant poetry to how the SL-9 Incident and the current case parallel each other with their stabbings. Neil Marshall was killed by someone other than Joe Darke, and then stabbed with Darke's knife to frame Darke for it. Two years later, Goodman is killed (by the same villain?) with Darke's knife, only for Lana to stab Goodman again with Edgeworth's knife to try and cover it up. A pair of double stabbings that once again could be what the double-stabbing in the prologue was all about...  Sound: Select Jingle Nice, two-for-one. With all of Gumshoe's topics now cleared, we get prodded to move on.  Music: Silence That's all I know. Can I ask you one more thing? Now I wonder if Gumshoe successfully got some cash out of Gant yesterday. It's not money, but it does concern the Chief. His office is a "crime scene," right?Oh, right, the whole reason we're here. Gumshoe was so entertaining I forgot all about it. It's where Prosecutor Neil Marshall was murdered...Sound: Realization  but we'd like to have a look around if that's okay. ... Sound: Realization ...Really? Why would that be? Can we just use Goodman's ID? Or the one Gant gave us to get into the evidence room? What? Really!?Sound: Light Bulb But if I let a civilian in there, Breach of trust...? Simply put, I'd be canned. Oh... Sorry, pal. Gumshoe you are a national treasure, of course we don't want you fired. But you wouldn't happen to be willing to "lose" your ID for a little while...? Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal How about this ID card? It was Detective Goodman's...Sound: Light Bulb  Yeah, that would be way too easy. Oh. (So in other words, Gumshoe is our only chance of getting into that office.)Sound: Realization I don't know, that wannabe-author detective probably wouldn't notice if we lifted his card from him for awhile...  Looks like we're being sent on a hunt for more evidence.  Speaking of evidence, let's look at that new autopsy report we just got.  Unfortunately the full text doesn't really say anything that wasn't already in the summary.  Now, where could we go to find something to get Gumshoe to risk his career for us?
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There's something quite slapstick about how Darke's killings are mentioned to have all happened to cover each other up. I imagine him piling dirt on the third grave just as he sees a jogger looking at him from across the street. "*sigh* oh GREAT."
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I don't think the game needs to elaborate on how on earth that series of events produced zero evidence. Obviously the narrative requires it, and it is better to offer no explanation than a poor one. However, that is not a serial killer. That's a spree killing, which is a different thing!
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Joe Darke, multiple times in one day:
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davidspackage posted:There's something quite slapstick about how Darke's killings are mentioned to have all happened to cover each other up. I imagine him piling dirt on the third grave just as he sees a jogger looking at him from across the street. "*sigh* oh GREAT." Joe Darke hits someone with his car and then turns into Agent 47 as played by me
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Joe Darke is how most of my Heat Signature stealth runs tend to go.
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It's weird how he goes through all that to cover up a road accident and then just... turns himself in?
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Commander Keene posted:It's weird how he goes through all that to cover up a road accident and then just... turns himself in? Apparently that's a mistranslation that never got corrected. All he did was voluntarily submit himself to police questioning, but didn't actually tell them anything directly incriminating, is the implication here.
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Oh ok, that makes more sense.
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Dang, Joe Darke sucks at stealth games. I get why Gumshoe tries to stop us poking around crime scenes, what with wanting to keep his job, but he should really know at this point that Phoenix isn't going to be deterred. Be easier on all of us if we just skipped to the end of the process.
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joe darke is so much less cool after they tell you what joe darke did
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Blastinus posted:Dang, Joe Darke sucks at stealth games.
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Part 148: Episode 5, Day 3, Investigation: Responsibility Only one man could convince Gumshoe to risk losing his job for us. Music: Silence  (I wonder if Edgeworth is back yet.) Sound: Light Bulb Music: Investigation - Opening  Sound: Stab  Sound: Realization I don't show a lot of Phoenix's lines directly like this on investigation days, but you can see behind the text box a crumpled piece of paper has appeared. Tough day in court, huh? Hmph. What's another allegation to me? (That's Edgeworth for you...) (Always trying to hide his real feelings.) Don't mind us, just going to reach behind you for that paper...  (I wonder what he was writing before?) Sound: Light Bulb Are you crazy? Edgeworth is sitting right there! Just distract him. I'll check it out. Uh... Hey, Edgeworth.Sound: Stab Music: Silence  Sound: Objection Sound: Drama Pound  Sound: Realization Well, that didn't work. (He didn't even look.) Sound: Light Bulb  If you're having trouble reading, I'll read it for you.I kind of want to skip ahead to Edgeworth's games.  Music: Recollection ~ The DL-6 Incident "Resignation"!? Edgeworth, you don't mean...?Sound: Whack I'm tired, Wright. Time to quit and become a defense attorney, like you always wanted as a kid? Wright & Edgeworth Co. has a good ring to it! But Mr. Edgeworth! None of it is your fault!Sound: Whack  I know the path I've walked. You don't need to tell me. Cool callback to what he used to say as a kid when getting awards. As Phoenix explained to us when we looked at his trophy yesterday.  I can't forgive myself for what I've done... In Edgeworth's eyes, everyone is guilty. Including himself. Maybe especially himself. (Uh oh. I think he's serious!)Music: Silence  (This Letter of Resignation... I wonder if I can use it for anything?) Sound: Select Jingle Well I think we found our Gumshoe motivation. I'm not sure if we even have to talk to Edgeworth now. Music: Investigation - Opening  Continuing to look around first...  Yeah, you'd think he'd want to show this thing off more than that giant Steel Samurai. ... What is it? Of course it is. You know that! Sound: Realization Music: Silence Something that looked like that? Yeah, only different. Now, where was that...? Another good use of putting hints in seemingly throwaway scenes. Music: Investigation - Opening  Before I forget, let's look more closely at this letter we just got.  (He really wrote a resignation letter...)Sound: Light Bulb  Still, it wasn't his fault... Someone has to be held responsible. That's how it is in the grown-up world....And that someone would be Lana Skye, no?  Sound: Whack Well, not everyone sees it that way. (That's one tough grown-up world there...) We'll do presenting later, let's try talking first. There's no excuse for what I've done. That's what it all breaks down to, and nothing I can do can erase that fact. But you didn't know, did you? I mean, that the evidence was falsified.  If that bond is broken, we stand to lose everything. I mean, that's a nice sentiment, but it still seems like heads should be rolling over at the Police Department instead. That fact remains the same no matter what excuses I might have. Mr. Edgeworth... I take pride in my work. (Even Edgeworth can't keep this kind of emotion bottled up...) Are you up for the trial tomorrow? Hmph. Phoenix has a bigger crush on Edgeworth than Ema does right now. To be honest, you're getting on my nerves. But Mr. Edgeworth! You can't just walk out on the trial... I'll bet that's what my superious are banking on.Aha! Some motive for Gant screwing with Edgeworth all episode! Could Gant have been trying to get Edgeworth to quit so that this trial is screwed up and everyone stops looking into both this case and the SL-9 Incident!  *squints closely* That looks like the same document that Gant was reading earlier and stuffed into his desk. What do you mean?Sound: Realization  Most lists... run twice as long. It's only half as long as most lists? (That is odd...)So does Gant have the real/original evidence list in his office maybe?  I became prosecutor for that case. use the evidence I was given to prove the suspect guilty! That was really the only thing on my mind at the time.And who better than von Karma's mini-me to use as an enthusiastic patsy?  (That picture... Something seemed strange about it...) Looks like we have a couple things we want to present to Edgeworth now. But one more topic first! Could you tell us again what happened that day? The day Detective Goodman was murdered? You were participating in a ceremony over at the station, right? Because you were awarded this? ...Is that why he was given the award, to lure him to the Police Department that day? I finished up at the office in the morning, then drove over to the Police Department. You, "finished up" at the office?Sound: Realization Yes. Just odds and ends- clerical stuff. That is, until I was asked to take something back. Take something back? This. Sound: Light Bulb Yes. It was a piece of evidence in a case that was closed half a year ago. (That's the story we heard yesterday...) So you came back here to the Prosecutor's Office because the Chief asked you to? That's right. ...So there's an important distinction. Edgeworth only went back to the office because of Gant's intervention. Did Gant set up Lana, luring her to the parking garage to discover Goodman in Edgeworth's trunk? Was she supposed to get Edgeworth accused of the crime, but ended up confessing to it herself instead? I'm having trouble figuring out what Gant intended to happen with this case, given that he seems to be both setting up and screwing up this case at the same time.  Let's move on to our ever-growing evidence list. Only a few things have new text this time around, but we also have new items he hasn't seen before. You know, it wouldn't hurt if you put this up somewhere, like on a shelf. What do you mean, "anymore"? He's asking me?Sound: Realization  quote:Original line: "That makes me kind of mad." Definitely more personality in the new version. Actually, something's been troubling me about this shield. Sound: Realization Different...? (I guess I'd better present this other shield...)Well there's a blatant hint.   Hey, don't look at me. Yes, I went into the evidence room on the day of the crime. Chief Gant asked me to do something. I have a locker in there as well. Did you notice anything amiss when you were in the evidence room? I didn't see anything out of the ordinary.Did the killer get lucky that Edgeworth didn't notice the bloody handprint on Gumshoe's locker? Or did he want Edgeworth to notice it? I think I'm getting paranoid.  ...  and chat with you about the case over a cup of tea. But this isn't related to the case, remember? You said so yourself.Sound: Realization  So I did......The game totally faked me out again there, making me think Edgeworth was just giving his generic reaction to stuff he doesn't care about.  He asked you to bring it here from the Police Department... The Chief is a very competent man... but sometimes he does things that don't make any sense. ... Sound: Realization (A certain detective comes to mind...)No being mean to Gumshoe!  Oddly, the evidence locker gives the same scene as the ID card record.  Maybe now Edgeworth will open up a bit more... This picture was hanging on the wall in Chief Gant's office. Looks like this was taken when he received the King of Prosecutors trophy. Sound: Light Bulb Yes?  Sound: Realization Yes, you're right. ... Ah, I remember now. Remember what?Sound: Light Bulb  quote:Original line: "That was the official prosecutor trophy used until that time." Kind of awkward wording that doesn't at all get the same point across.  A story? (Sounds interesting.) Would you mind telling it to us? It's simple, really. Sound: Realization  We got a new topic there, but there's one more thing we can show Edgeworth first. They say where there's smoke, there's fire. Edgeworth... Sound: Realization But Mr. Edgeworth! You were only doing your job! That hasn't changed. Forgiving myself... is something I cannot do. (Uh oh. I think he's serious!)Edgeworth the edgelord.  (This Letter of Resignation... I wonder if I can use it for anything?)Yes, yes, we'll get there eventually.  One last thing to talk about... This award originates from an ancient Chinese tale.Music: Silence   Me? Oh, uh... sure. Everyone knows that! Why don't you tell it though... for Ema's sake.Sound: Light Bulb Very well.Music: Questioning - Moderato  Interesting choice of music. I guess telling a story and giving a testimony are kind of similar? One day, he presented the king with two items. The second was a shield he claimed could withstand any weapon. Hmm... Wait a minute.Sound: Realization Phoenix quickly sees the contradiction here. It's the old "Unstoppable Force" versus the "Immovable Object". Both can't be true simultaneously; if the one were used on the other, one of them would have to win, right? Music: Silence  Sound: Objection Music: Pressing Pursuit - Cornered - Variation  Sound: Drama Pound The only way that scene could have been more perfect would be if they had Phoenix's objection sprite over a black background afterwards.  Sound: Realization Never mind, that dig from Edgeworth was even better. Anyway, as you mentioned, the very descriptions of these items discredit them both. And thus, the Chinese word for "contradiction" was born.The word is "Máodůn" which basically would literally translate to spear-shield. Not sure why the localizers chose the word "halberd" here; that merchant is pretty clearly holding a spear. Music: Silence  Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Realization The ancient tale ends with the merchant at a loss for words, even if it results in something as ugly as this. Wow. Thanks, Mr. Edgeworth! I learned something new today!Music: Investigation - Opening That's funny... Sound: Realization ... You'll have to ask Chief Gant. (Chief Gant...)I wonder if we'll learn the rest of that story at trial tomorrow...  Sound: Select Jingle A sudden evidence update indicates we will...  Let's head back to Gumshoe! Music: Silence  Or we could get interrupted on the way there.  Excuse me...  Sound: Realization I really don't want to talk to her again, but now that we know more about the SL-9 Incident maybe she'll open up a bit about it? Music: Happy People Ms. Starr! (I guess she's out of lunches.)Sound: Light Bulb  You certainly are the curious sort, aren't you? I don't think she likes us very much.  Still, I never thought you'd go digging up that case from two years ago. Everyone in this trial was involved in the SL-9 Incident. Not only that, but the murder occurred on the very day the evidence from that case was due for transferal. This can't all be attributed to mere "coincidence." ... You know, that little scene I happened to witness? Music: Silence   Roast beef is meant to be savored when eaten. (Ms. Starr's hatred toward Lana...) (It all dates back to two years ago!)Music: Recollection ~ The SL-9 Incident  Nothing new to see in the garage, so let's present stuff! I don't have anything else to tell you. Ms. Starr... (Talk about cheap...) She's going to be disappointed tomorrow if I have anything to say about it.  Despite saying she has nothing more to say to us for any evidence we present her, there are some topics we can chat with her about here.   Half a year!? Gumshoe made it sound like everything went down on one horrible day! Still, I don't think I was ever more alive than I was then. Those days were steamier than a bowl of hot gravy! You mean, because of his brother's death? They were close, those two.So wait, did they tail Darke for half a year after Neil was killed? Despite supposedly catching him red-handed with his knife in Neil's back? Are all of Angel Starr's stories as full as holes as the ones in this episode?  Seeing Jake like that made her all the more desperate. "Her"...?Sound: Realization  Lana Skye. My sister...?Sound: Light Bulb  Of course they were led by that legendary duo.Sound: Wipe   You know, if Ms. Starr had such a legendary reputation as the "Cough-Up Queen," why wasn't she in the room when Darke was being questioned? I bet her reputation is all in her own head. That legendary pair was the reason we were able to keep up our investigation. You mean, with the forging of the evidence? Don't get me wrong. Joe Darke got what he deserved. Sound: Whack Items our team never found would suddenly appear, while other items were kept secret. But you don't have proof anything illegal was done... Sound: Realization !Sound: Light Bulb  most without even so much as an explanation. Lana always wanted to be a prosecutor. Nothing's quite as simple as it appears.Sound: Realization Music: Silence Huh?Sound: Light Bulb  She was being used?Music: Recollection ~ The SL-9 Incident  Damon Gant and Lana Skye... quote:Rare typo there, and it was introduced in the new translation. Original line was: "Two years ago Gant was Chief Detective, and Lana second in command. They were the best." There are a large number of edits related to Gant being Chief Detective in the original script rather than Deputy Chief of Police, and fixing this one introduced a new typo instead. They solved all kinds of cases together, didn't they?Sound: Light Bulb  His "magnetism"?Sound: Realization By that I mean his ability to attract evidence. ("Incredible evidence"? You mean...) Oh, yes. There were rumors about him even back then. No one dared confront him, though. (I take it she's talking about forged evidence.)The game hasn't really confirmed that Gant is our killer, but it sure seems to be dedicated to making us not like him today.  !Sound: Light Bulb  Really? Oh yes... myself included. I was a fool, really. Did Angel and Lana used to be close? Angel seems to have taken the whole thing very personally. That's why she was so concerned for Jake.Sound: Realization Mr. Marshall... If it wasn't for her, I don't think Jake would ever have recovered from his shock. That's what makes it all the more infuriating. Ms. Starr... Sound: Realization Music: Silence Why did she have to turn so cold after that...? ...Music: Recollection ~ The SL-9 Incident  Lana transferred to the Prosecutor's Office two years ago, didn't she? Chief... There was only one thing left for him to control, and then no one could stand in his way: the Prosecutor's Office.Sound: Realization Music: Silence What? You mean... That's why Lana was transferred!?Sound: Light Bulb  That must have been his goal all along.Music: Investigation - Core  Sound: Whack I don't know, but one thing's for sure. Ever since that case ended, she's never been the same. It's only logical to conclude... (At last...) (I'm finally getting close to the bottom of this ugly mess.) Thank you, Ms. Starr. You listen to me, Rookie. I hope you turn out to be a better chef than I've been...Sound: Realization Music: Silence  That's all for Angel Starr. Let's see if our Gumshoe-leverage works.  Oh, you're back.Sound: Light Bulb You're still here? Brewing coffee, copying files... I'm turning into a regular DJ!Sound: Whack You're a "DJ" as well?Sound: Realization  Sound: Light Bulb I'm glad Phoenix explained that, I was stumped for a second there. ... Oh, that DJ...Sound: Light Bulb Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal  ?Sound: Realization  Sound: Light Bulb It'd be my neck on the line. (That office is the last crime scene in the SL-9 Incident.) (I have to take a look in there!) Well, we're here for one thing and one thing only.  Yes, this guy. That must be one of the detectives. He's mumbling something to himself. "Quiet, Jean Marc. Words will just spoil the moment. Now hold me close..." Yes, this approach allows for much more intrigue. ... It seems he's given up on the mystery genre. All right, back to Gumshoe. All of his topics are still the same, as are most of his evidence reactions. Except for this one! Hey, that's it!Sound: Light Bulb  Were you at the awards ceremony, Detective Gumshoe? Ah... congratulations. Sound: Light Bulb Uh, yeah! Everyone knows that! Sound: Realization He had a thing for shields, see...? That's not exactly the version we heard.Sound: Realization No, but this one sounds more exciting!Sound: Realization  quote:When we were visiting Edgeworth, I wondered if we could just pick up the resignation letter and skip out on talking to him. However, it doesn't work, as Gumshoe wouldn't even be here. We have to clear Edgeworth's fourth topic (the one we get for showing him the "Gant Team Picture") to get Gumshoe to come back. However we can skip the rest of Edgeworth's topics, and don't need to talk to Angel Starr at all!  Now that we've re-established how awesome Gumshoe is, let's emotionally blackmail him.  Sound: Light Bulb ... .. .Music: Silence  Sound: Realization Sound: Whack Sound: Drama Pound Is he ever not serious? I can't believe they've pushed him this far... Mr. Edgeworth really feels responsible.Music: Recollection ~ The DL-6 Incident  But I know different now! Sound: Whack but we just... we betrayed him! Detective... I don't show a lot of short lines in general, let alone as animations, but Gumshoe's second three-sprite silent line was too good to not share. Music: Silence That's it.Sound: Light Bulb I've made up my mind! But...Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Realization Music: Recollection ~ The DL-6 Incident We can't do that. If someone found out...Sound: Whack Little late to be claiming the moral high ground after the emotional blackmail.  Sound: Whack Look at me. It's no secret I'm already out of the loop. After all, I'm friends with Mr. Edgeworth. (What...?) Sound: Whack Music: Silence All right, Detective. Thank you. Sound: Select Jingle Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal  That's all for Gumshoe. We accomplished our main goal, however. The Chief's Office is once again open to us!
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It's probably been around for awhile but I first noticed this ad today: It's a long ways off before I'll need it, but there's an obstacle removed at least!
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Dec 19, 2023 04:46
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It's "good" to see that the prosecutors have just as much unfair BS going on in their slice of the legal world as defense attorneys.
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Dec 19, 2023 05:27
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DKII posted:Edgeworth the edgelord. Sonic the Edgeworth? No, wait, Sonic is more of a Phoenix. But that makes Edgeworth either Knuckles... or
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Dec 19, 2023 08:14
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I think the timeline is 1) darke has his no good, very bad day. 2) darke pulls a runner for half a year 3) the police finally apprehend him 4) darke attempts his escape and finds himself saying, "Well, here I go, killing again"
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It doesn't make any sense at all, really. Even if he was only witnessed when disposing of the bodies each time, there's no way that was strung out over months. Then he has a change of heart and turns himself in... only to have another change of heart when the power goes out and tries to escape again?
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I think the idea is that he killed everyone on one day, went on the lamb for 6 months, and then killed again while attempting to escape when he was finally brought in for questioning.
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Dec 19, 2023 13:38
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FoolyCharged posted:I think the idea is that he killed everyone on one day, went on the lamb for 6 months, and then killed again while attempting to escape when he was finally brought in for questioning. Maybe. But Angel also said that while she was having a great time during that six-month chase, Jake was going through hell because his brother was killed, seemingly before that all happened. Not that I trust anything she says anymore.
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The background image almost always used when talking about the investigation—including when Starr is talking about trailing Darke for six months—has both Marshalls in it. Overall it makes way more sense that the sixth month chase was before Darke was photographed lying under a dead body with Darke's knife in its back than after. e: These are what, two lines apart? It's a really weird line. I'm inclined to just disregard it.
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I thought Marshall also implied his Texas shtick started fairly recently.
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Quackles posted:Sonic the Edgeworth? Definitely Knuckles. He wears red and is mildly antagonistic and only grumpily acknowledges friendship with Phoenix.
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Sounds about right. I guess this makes [redacted until game 4] Tails, and [redacted until game 5] is Shadow
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fatsleepycat posted:Definitely Knuckles. He wears red and is mildly antagonistic and only grumpily acknowledges friendship with Phoenix. A Larry does wear yellow ans when he hides his hands in his sleeves they do look like tails
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