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InsertPotPun posted:time for trump to switch from "they're going to slow!! election interference!!" to "they're going too fast! election interference!!" and for all the chuds to take both just as seriously "COUNT ALL THE VOTES! STOP THE COUNT!"
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/11/rudy-giuliani-court-defamation-2020-election-workers posted:[Joseph Sibley, Giuliani’s lawyer,] also said that awarding the damages sought against Giuliani, who has significant financial troubles, would amount to the “death penalty” for his client. “If you award them what they are asking for, it will be the end of Mr Giuliani,” he said.
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Dec 12, 2023 12:07
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cr0y posted:Some more on that filing Well that's interesting... best we know Trump doesn't use his phone for textual communication. Additionally I'm not sure MacFarlane's gambling metaphor makes much sense, wouldn't you go all in before showing your hand? Or is this the game of poker where you show your cards and then try and bluff? DC Fold 'Em?
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Dec 12, 2023 12:26
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Charliegrs posted:"COUNT ALL THE VOTES! STOP THE COUNT!" COUNT THE STOP! ALL STOP VOTES COUNT! process continues through the strong smell of burnt toast collectively rising among the faithful
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Dec 12, 2023 12:37
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InsertPotPun posted:time for trump to switch from "they're going to slow!! election interference!!" to "they're going too fast! election interference!!" and for all the chuds to take both just as seriously The ole Arizona/Pennsylvania switch.
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Dec 12, 2023 13:47
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Tesseraction posted:Well that's interesting... best we know Trump doesn't use his phone for textual communication. Additionally I'm not sure MacFarlane's gambling metaphor makes much sense, wouldn't you go all in before showing your hand? Or is this the game of poker where you show your cards and then try and bluff? DC Fold 'Em? I think it's just a bad use of a poker metaphor
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Dec 12, 2023 14:31
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I reserve my right to make fun of the bad poker metaphor.
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Dec 12, 2023 14:33
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If we hit that bullseye the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
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DarkHorse posted:If we hit that bullseye the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate! The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Trump Legal Troubles: Dominoes falling like a house of cards
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Dec 12, 2023 14:58
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Tesseraction posted:I reserve my right to make fun of the bad poker metaphor. I appreciate you bringing that up because it sounds really cool at first and then becomes a headscratcher once you think for a second. * Lays down a royal flush on the table * * Pushes all chips into the center * * Everyone loving folds, OBVIOUSLY *
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Dec 12, 2023 16:13
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Scags McDouglas posted:I appreciate you bringing that up because it sounds really cool at first and then becomes a headscratcher once you think for a second. Trump wouldn't fold though. He has to be the tough guy so he would raise him.
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Dec 12, 2023 16:22
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Scags McDouglas posted:I appreciate you bringing that up because it sounds really cool at first and then becomes a headscratcher once you think for a second. But at this point in the analogy, wouldn't both sides had bet pretty heavily? So going all in and them folding still gets you a good amount from them. Edit: And yeah, this is Trump we're talking about. He wouldn't fold even if his hand was 2,3,5,6 and the rules card for poker.
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Dec 12, 2023 16:23
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Randalor posted:But at this point in the analogy, wouldn't both sides had bet pretty heavily? So going all in and them folding still gets you a good amount from them. The issue is that going all in is unnecessary. You could just call at that point and it wouldn't change anything. You go all in with a royal flush to try to convince everyone else to join you thinking you're bluffing.
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Dec 12, 2023 16:51
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Randalor posted:Edit: And yeah, this is Trump we're talking about. He wouldn't fold even if his hand was 2,3,5,6 and the rules card for poker.
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Dec 12, 2023 16:56
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Kazanski posted:It's a great thing, the rules card. A very great thing. Someone -- many people, actually -- told me it even beats a royal. That's the way I've always played, millions of games. All you need to win is the rules card and a sharpie.
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Dec 12, 2023 17:18
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Scags McDouglas posted:I appreciate you bringing that up because it sounds really cool at first and then becomes a headscratcher once you think for a second. READ EM AND WEEP, BOYS ALL ... REDS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wouHpNCbqQY
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Dec 12, 2023 17:59
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Randalor posted:But at this point in the analogy, wouldn't both sides had bet pretty heavily? So going all in and them folding still gets you a good amount from them. So what does that look like on the legal side of the analogy? Trump takes a plea deal and pays a fine? Oh God, that's how this is all going to end, isn't it? The punishment for attempting a coup is going to be a nominal fine.
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At the risk of digging up the dead horse, beating it, setting it on fire, spraying it down, and beating it some more, the analogy doesn't really work because a) everyone already knows what the special counsel wants based on the prior briefing and b) he's not risking anything by asking for cert before judgment. The worst they can do is say no and the case goes through the D.C. Circuit normally. He's just asking SCOTUS to skip a step, on the theory that the case is headed there anyway and it's of "such imperative public importance as to justify deviation from normal appellate practice and to require immediate determination" there.
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Dec 12, 2023 18:33
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I wonder why they don’t do that with the documents case as well
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Dec 12, 2023 18:41
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https://www.salon.com/2023/12/12/jack-smith-wants-to-use-twitter-account-and-phone-data-to-track-his-steps-on-jan-6/quote:As noted in the filing, Smith's team anticipates that the expert will observe to jurors how they "extracted and processed data from the White House cell phones used by the defendant and one other individual (Individual 1); (2) reviewed and analyzed data on the defendant’s phone and on Individual 1’s phone, including analyzing images found on the phones and websites visited; (3) determined the usage of these phones throughout the post-election period, including on and around January 6, 2021; and (4) specifically identified the periods of time during which the defendant’s phone was unlocked and the Twitter application was open on January 6."
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Dec 12, 2023 18:48
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Mr. Grumpybones posted:I wonder why they don’t do that with the documents case as well 1) A lot of the issues he's litigating can be appealed after the fact if he loses but aren't subject to interlocutory review, which is an unnecessary way of saying he gets to appeal in the middle of the case. The immunity motion is. 2) I don't think Cannon's actually made any substantive rulings against him yet.
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The Islamic Shock posted:https://www.salon.com/2023/12/12/jack-smith-wants-to-use-twitter-account-and-phone-data-to-track-his-steps-on-jan-6/ Individual 1 is Rudy right? Which would track with his record on tech savvyness. Rude Boy has probably figured out how to get 50,000 boomer-rear end browser extension on his phone.
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Dec 12, 2023 19:01
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PeterWeller posted:So what does that look like on the legal side of the analogy? Trump takes a plea deal and pays a fine? the justice system is entirely up its own rear end about itself and has been constantly ruled and directed by good ol boys law types who think that our own specific constitutional law system is a practically divine work and, short of the bible or whatever, about the most astoundingly just and proper thing penned on god's earth since the dawn of time. trump making GBS threads on them and getting away with it would force them to admit things like that it is some creaky dead and dried mummy poo poo, very mid compared to more modern legal systems, filled with some very glaring issues, inherent promotions of injustice, and incompatibilities with modernity. do they want that shame? gently caress no, their ego won't allow it so now they're stuck in a situation where The System has to imprison trump for years in actual big boy jail, the kind with bars and toilets where everyone can watch you poo poo, or it's an admission of how contemptibly custom-bitchmade-to-order they all are against trump's exercises of power because of generations of old white men carving out unprosecutable tiers of authority for the Right Kind of People to keep the oligarchy humming along will it work? haha who the gently caress knows, but at least this time we know the justice system is really gonna try to take him down as hard as they can, because their big bloated egos and legal/historical mythmaking are on the line
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Staluigi posted:the justice system is entirely up its own rear end about itself and has been constantly ruled and directed by good ol boys law types who think that our own specific constitutional law system is a practically divine work and, short of the bible or whatever, about the most astoundingly just and proper thing penned on god's earth since the dawn of time. trump making GBS threads on them and getting away with it would force them to admit things like that it is some creaky dead and dried mummy poo poo, very mid compared to more modern legal systems, filled with some very glaring issues, inherent promotions of injustice, and incompatibilities with modernity. do they want that shame? gently caress no, their ego won't allow it At which point the justice system gets to do what it's designed to do a lot more transparently
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Lammasu posted:Trump wouldn't fold though. He has to be the tough guy so he would raise him. He'd claim the card game was rigged, it's not really a royal flush and it doesn't matter anyway because he invented it while bankrupting casinos. He calls it The Trump Flush BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Dec 13, 2023 |
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I think the documents case already proved that the Trump Flush doesn’t work
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Lammasu posted:Trump wouldn't fold though. He has to be the tough guy so he would raise him. What are you talking about? That's Trump's royal flush. Always has been. All the best people have been saying it.
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"I went onto that gaming hall just a few days later, and a gambler, who's a fantastic gambler actually said to me, 'Sir, I've been on the gambling halls, men have lost all their money on my left and on my right, I stood in casinos where players were killed, but I believe the bravest thing I've ever seen was the night you went onto that court, and went all on that Trump Flush."
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Dec 13, 2023 11:27
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Was a Trump Flush mentioned on the piss tapes? I'll bet a Trump Flush was mentioned on the piss tapes.
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Supreme Court is taking up an appeal from a person convicted on January 6th under charges of "conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding" who argues that the law says that you must take some action with a "document, record, or other object" in order to actually obstruct and that just entering the Capitol or encouraging others storm the capitol is technically not covered under the law. This is also one of the charges that Jack Smith has brought against Trump and a ruling in favor of the January 6th defendant would allow Trump to argue that since he never touched any documents on January 6th that he can't be charged under those statutes. https://twitter.com/AP/status/1734947175279292720 quote:WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Wednesday said it will hear an appeal that could upend hundreds of charges stemming from the Capitol riot, including against former President Donald Trump.
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Dec 13, 2023 16:01
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Feel this is bordering on taking "I'm not touching you" to its most absurd conclusion.
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Violently breaking into a proceeding does obstruct it, actually
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FizFashizzle posted:Wouldn’t thomas have to recuse from that? Who would enforce the refusal requirement?
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FizFashizzle posted:Wouldn’t thomas have to recuse from that? SCOTUS can do what they want.
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FizFashizzle posted:Wouldn’t thomas have to recuse from that? No, Ginni's involvement did include the use of documents, so this ruling would not include her
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Cactrot posted:Who would enforce the refusal requirement? Their much ballyhooed ethics statement notably lacked any enforcement mechanism
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Fart Amplifier posted:Violently breaking into a proceeding does obstruct it, actually Does the Capitol and its various security mechanisms count as "object"?
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Fart Amplifier posted:Violently breaking into a proceeding does obstruct it, actually If it counts, why wasn't it included in the wording of 18 U.S.C. § 1512?  Checkmate.
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