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The poster energy steadily increases through Capital.
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Dec 11, 2023 16:05
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Capital's starting chapters are famously difficult and hard to get through in marxist literature, but the book is important and useful enough to power through. Make sure you go back and reread commodity fetishism at some point.
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Dec 11, 2023 16:20
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There really ought to be a "Marx's capital but readable" modern book out by now.
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Dec 11, 2023 16:45
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mila kunis posted:There really ought to be a "Marx's capital but readable" modern book out by now. 
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Dec 11, 2023 16:47
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Kreeblah posted:I just started reading Capital today, and gently caress does Marx love to repeat himself. I swear this thing reads like he was getting paid by the column inch or something. You can read chapter ten first to get yourself psyched up. The first three chapters are the hardest. I recommend reading through those twice and then keep going, even if you don't think you understand it after the second read.
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Dec 11, 2023 16:49
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lol is this the book that doesn’t mention marx
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Dec 11, 2023 18:44
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Centrist Committee posted:lol is this the book that doesn’t mention marx it's by the guy who said he couldn't get through Marx
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Dec 11, 2023 18:45
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mawarannahr posted:it's by the guy who said he couldn't get through Marx even better!
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Dec 11, 2023 18:48
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Dec 11, 2023 18:52
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Centrist Committee posted:even better! most people just complain. Tom did something about it.
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Dec 11, 2023 18:53
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mawarannahr posted:it's by the guy who said he couldn't get through Marx he said marx is too boring and also doesn’t have any data in capital so he didn’t read it
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Dec 11, 2023 18:56
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i know it's been mentioned itt fairly recently, but i cant find it; which english translation of Kapital do people recommend?
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Dec 11, 2023 19:09
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stumblebum posted:i know it's been mentioned itt fairly recently, but i cant find it; which english translation of Kapital do people recommend? this is the one you want to get. it's a lot more accessible to modern readers. quote:In 2012, Red Quill Books released Capital: In Manga!,[18] a comic book version of Volume I which is an expanded English translation of the successful 2008 Japanese pocket version Das Kapital known as Manga de Dokuha.[19] the original English translation was apparently done by Marx's daughter's bf and rubberstamped by Engels. i originally read the penguin version and not sure it's substantially different.
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Dec 11, 2023 19:14
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I felt like the original Samuel Moore translation that was overseen by Engels was perfectly serviceable when I read it (it's on marxists.org). I've not heard much criticism of any Kapital translations but that could just be due to it's length and penetrability issues that people talk about more often. e: also the manga version is no replacement for the full text but it's genuinely pretty good    
Nevil Maskelyne has issued a correction as of 19:19 on Dec 11, 2023 |
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Dec 11, 2023 19:14
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Nevil Maskelyne posted:I felt like the original Samuel Moore translation that was overseen by Engels was perfectly serviceable when I read it (it's on marxists.org). I've not heard much criticism of any Kapital translations but that could just be due to it's length and penetrability issues that people talk about more often. could be. i read some parts in Turkish translation and I think they were sometimes easier to understand (aside - I found some Russian novels easier to read in Turkish as well)
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Dec 11, 2023 19:16
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stumblebum posted:i know it's been mentioned itt fairly recently, but i cant find it; which english translation of Kapital do people recommend? the penguin edition is the easiest one to find but has... issues. Raskolnikov38 posted:is the penguin edition of capital regarded as good? i just found an error in vol 3 chapter 6 the kerr edition or the one put out by the soviet union's printing press is regarded as the gold standard iirc
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Dec 11, 2023 19:22
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https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Critique-Political-Economy-Library/dp/B002ODA2DQ used copies for about 10bux if you need to read this with your favorite pipe in your giant red winged chair by the fireplace while your pregnant maid darns your wife's stockings
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Dec 11, 2023 20:04
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Ferrinus posted:likewise, having to sell your wages to live is an accident of history. the same person can become or cease to be a proletarian at multiple times in their life through no effort or fault of their own. there is no eternal proletarian the essence of proletarian remains, just as the essence of three remains. sorry that the revolutionary class includes icky unvacced racists and excludes woke landlords and the trust funded
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Dec 12, 2023 05:13
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the penguin edition is the easiest one to find but has... issues. I see your problem. The key to reading economics is to go blurry-eyed whenever the math comes in and just go with the vibes of what writer is saying.
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Dec 12, 2023 06:06
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They sell this at marx haus and I wasn't paying attention when I bought it (I am often a mindless oaf) and when I examined the cover a day later when I was gone from Trier I was so unhappy
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Dec 12, 2023 06:47
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lol what a scam
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Dec 12, 2023 09:45
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Mr. Lobe posted:They sell this at marx haus and I wasn't paying attention when I bought it (I am often a mindless oaf) and when I examined the cover a day later when I was gone from Trier I was so unhappy lol owned
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Dec 12, 2023 10:08
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fart simpson posted:lol owned
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Dec 12, 2023 10:36
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fart simpson posted:lol owned -Das Kapital, Vol. I
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Dec 12, 2023 14:13
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what's the antithesis to piketty for bad recommendations for intro marx readers? althusser's reading capital maybe?
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Dec 12, 2023 21:22
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wretched of the earth by frantz fanon
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Dec 12, 2023 22:55
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The Voice of Labor posted:the essence of proletarian remains, just as the essence of three remains. no! there is no "essence" of three! it's a post-hoc judgement! and as we can see, your insistence on eternal metaphysical essences turns out to immediately serve the purpose of fighting the woke mind virus or whatever
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Dec 12, 2023 22:56
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The Voice of Labor posted:the essence of proletarian remains, just as the essence of three remains. I, also, do not understand what "lumpenproletariat" means.
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Dec 13, 2023 01:31
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mycomancy posted:I, also, do not understand what "lumpenproletariat" means. you gotta be a member of a class in order to betray it genius
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Dec 13, 2023 04:24
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if you only have one commodity to sell and that commodity is your labor power, that puts you squarely in the proletariat. it doesn't matter if you want to give trump big wet smooches or if no one is interested in buying your labor power that's the class you're in. that's an economic relation and a very simple, primary one
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Dec 13, 2023 04:37
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mycomancy posted:I, also, do not understand what "lumpenproletariat" means. Low level career criminals who, instead of selling their labor, steal from those who labor to get by Not to be confused with high level career criminals who extract value from laborers through ownership of the means of production Basically gangsters, robbers, etc
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Dec 13, 2023 07:42
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lumpenproles are just the lower classes who lack class consciousness. in the US, that's almost everyone
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Dec 13, 2023 13:06
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lumpenproletariat didn't really end up being a useful term of class description imo, especially not in the current day
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Dec 13, 2023 13:47
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the point is you cant count on every NEET, or indeed every worker, as your ally because they may not understand the nature of their predicament or what their best interests are. thats as true now as it ever was.
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Dec 13, 2023 13:59
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The Voice of Labor posted:if you only have one commodity to sell and that commodity is your labor power, that puts you squarely in the proletariat. it doesn't matter if you want to give trump big wet smooches or if no one is interested in buying your labor power that's the class you're in. my god, it's so simple. just one quick question: is a beat cop in the proletariat
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Dec 13, 2023 17:30
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Ferrinus posted:my god, it's so simple. just one quick question: is a beat cop in the proletariat
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Dec 13, 2023 17:57
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mawarannahr posted:copping ain't labor what is it about copping that makes it not labor
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Dec 13, 2023 18:39
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mawarannahr posted:copping ain't labor and yet cops are paid in wages! curious!!
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Dec 13, 2023 19:04
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fart simpson posted:what is it about copping that makes it not labor oppressing the proletariat is not a real job
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Dec 13, 2023 20:13
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state and revolution, baby
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