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King writes all his stuff on the fly (and for much of his prime with the help of tons of drugs) so it tracks that he does not have much interest in explanations for his ideas.
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King knows people who use subtext, and he thinks they’re cowards
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Dec 10, 2023 09:47
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It feels that King's work has similarities with Junji Ito in some ways, because often a thing happens, people just have to deal with it, and no one knows where it came from or why it went away. It just Happened one day.
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Dec 10, 2023 09:49
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Ghost Leviathan posted:If anything the idea of fiction where people try to analyse supernatural/weird things and figure out how they work has always been on the more niche side of things, in no small part because a lot of the time they can't be expected to have any idea where to even start. That said, it is often interesting when characters are shown analysing or discussing something, how it works and what it does, especially when they're trying to figure out what the gently caress to do about it. Rick and Morty recently experimented with the Pet Sematary to try and figure out its parameters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PP5J17olSE Even further related to King, they buried a car in the Pet Sematary so I guess it'd come back as an evil car (but we don't see how that turned out)
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Dec 10, 2023 09:52
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credburn posted:That's generally King's whole thing. This is mostly true, but my unspoken corollary was that the times he does try to explain things, it sucks rear end.
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Dec 10, 2023 10:30
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Pet Sematary is another great example of "the whys and hows of this horror scenario are completely irrelevant to the story at hand and would suck the air out of the room if we decided to explore them, instead of telling the drat story," so, uh, thanks R&M
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Dec 10, 2023 10:41
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Boy will these occultists be embarrassed when I explain how scientists are still debating where the line is to determine if something is in fact alive or not
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Dec 10, 2023 10:57
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Just imagining Satan and God chatting and Satan's like "You think the Jewish are good at rules lawyering? You should try dealing with a scientist... I just spent 2 hours trying to convince this idiot that his friend was dead and that his soul was legally mine, and he's just like 'No, his heart was still beating, the only activity that stopped was that of his higher brain. He was still respirating, therefore he was still alive! He never died, so you don't get his soul yet!'... Exhausting people..." "I know, but you think they're bad? You should meet the philosophers, this prick called Pascal really got on my nerves..."
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^^^ Terry Pratchett had a good riff on Pascal's Wager where the philosopher arrives in the afterlife to be met with a bunch of gods wielding clubs and saying "Oh look, it's Mister Clever".Ghost Leviathan posted:It's also apparently canon that Pennywise catches a ride in Christine at one point. In IT, when Henry Bowers needs to get from the Derry Library to the Town House, Pennywise appears as his dead friend Belch and driving the car Butch Bowers had coveted: a red and white 1958 Plymouth Fury. It's a nice callback, except for one thing - according to King in the earlier book, Roland LeBay ordered Christine with a custom paint job because Plymouth didn't make the 1958 Fury in red and white. So the car in IT must be Christine. But ... Henry also recalls his father taking him to see the car in the showroom, where it never would have been because LeBay had got it direct from the factory. And that implies that Christine may in fact be a manifestation of IT. Jedit has a new favorite as of 11:33 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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Dec 10, 2023 11:31
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IT gets it's forms mixed up and he arrives at prom riding a giant spider made out of space.
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Torquemada posted:This is mostly true, but my unspoken corollary was that the times he does try to explain things, it sucks rear end. It's a hard thing to actually do well, mostly because the explanations have to add something to the story. It's like comic book superpowers having ridiculous origins based on the poorly understood science and/or magic of the day, cept they frontload that- if it's something you reveal it has to be a satisfying one in some manner. One of the fun things to do with it is have the characters theorise on what it might be, how it works, and never reveal if they're right- or have dangerously wrong assumptions and misunderstandings factor into the story. And even if you do reveal its nature, usually a good idea to leave some questions unanswered, especially if the characters have no reason to have the context or the opportunity to understand it. Lovecraft could be pretty good at that sometimes, introducing weird poo poo and slowly revealing more about it, but throwing in some last minute twists, sometimes telegraphed, especially when just enough has been explained for the novelty to start to wear off. Ghost Leviathan has a new favorite as of 11:45 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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It's name is It, not IT. I just mean, it's not an acronym or something.
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credburn posted:It's name is It, not IT. I just mean, it's not an acronym or something. IT likes to shout online. But yeah, it's a funny thing and mostly goes back to the original book covers with their big red block text. It's easier to think of the book as IT than It, and in doing so it's also easier to think of Pennywise as IT than It. At the same time it clears up any confusion about what you're referring to, especially if "It" is the first word in the sentence.
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Gremlins 2 had the best answer to smartasses who try to quibble over nonsensical supernatural rules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz-9bU9dTuc
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It’s always jarring to see Robert Picardo with a full head of hair.
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CzarChasm posted:Eh. If you focus too much on why the portal is there, you spend less time exploring the portal. Not really, this is one of those things you can do at the same time. In fact, exploring the portal might actually answer the question as to why it showed up in the firs tplace.
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The entirety of House of Leaves is about exploring and measuring the portal. Besides a large part of the footnotes.
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I’ll explore YOUR portal
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freeedr posted:I’ll explore YOUR portal Pm me
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N. Senada posted:King knows people who use subtext, and he thinks they’re cowards King knows subtext is an anagram for buttsex, that makes him good in my book
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's a hard thing to actually do well, mostly because the explanations have to add something to the story. It's like comic book superpowers having ridiculous origins based on the poorly understood science and/or magic of the day, cept they frontload that- if it's something you reveal it has to be a satisfying one in some manner. Worm, the web serial, is nearly entirely devoted to exploring theories of how superpowers work and where they came from and the answer to both questions is critical to the final conflict
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Rick and Morty recently experimented with the Pet Sematary to try and figure out its parameters The part that everyone always seems to get wrong with Pet Sematary was that the area that brought back the dead wasn't the cemetery, but deeper into the woods. The cemetery was just a morbidly cutesy way that kids dealt with the grief of their pets dying. And I'll admit, considering how R&M treated the Needful Things parody back in season 1, I was expecting another "Rick is super smart and totally owns the devil!" and not... well, them just trying random poo poo to see what happens. Those were some decent ideas to try out.
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Felonious_Monk posted:Worm, the web serial, is nearly entirely devoted to exploring theories of how superpowers work and where they came from and the answer to both questions is critical to the final conflict It's also really dumb
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Jedit posted:^^^ Terry Pratchett had a good riff on Pascal's Wager where the philosopher arrives in the afterlife to be met with a bunch of gods wielding clubs and saying "Oh look, it's Mister Clever". what are they going to do, kill him?
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Randalor posted:The part that everyone always seems to get wrong with Pet Sematary was that the area that brought back the dead wasn't the cemetery, but deeper into the woods. The cemetery was just a morbidly cutesy way that kids dealt with the grief of their pets dying. Well he does, but that's not really the point, kinda lol the lesson is literally 'if you just use magical science to fix all the curses then it's a boring story', and Rick knows it, getting bored to tears immediately once the novelty wears off.
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Milo and POTUS posted:what are they going to do, kill him? ... have you heard of the concept of Hell?
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I'm familiar with your post history, yes
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Antivehicular posted:Pet Sematary is another great example of "the whys and hows of this horror scenario are completely irrelevant to the story at hand and would suck the air out of the room if we decided to explore them, instead of telling the drat story," so, uh, thanks R&M The mediocre Bruce Willis movie Looper played with this a bit. It's about time travel with a guy going into the past and interacting with his younger self, and they're sitting in a diner talking. The younger self is asking questions about how it works, and Willis tells him that it's all fuckin stupid and makes no sense, and they'll be sitting there making diagrams with straws all day if they try and figure out how it all works. Just accept it, I'm here, let's go on with the plot please.
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:The mediocre Bruce Willis movie Looper played with this a bit. It's about time travel with a guy going into the past and interacting with his younger self, and they're sitting in a diner talking. The younger self is asking questions about how it works, and Willis tells him that it's all fuckin stupid and makes no sense, and they'll be sitting there making diagrams with straws all day if they try and figure out how it all works. Just accept it, I'm here, let's go on with the plot please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVfpUBtdGLs&t=24s
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:The mediocre Bruce Willis movie Looper played with this a bit. It's about time travel with a guy going into the past and interacting with his younger self, and they're sitting in a diner talking. The younger self is asking questions about how it works, and Willis tells him that it's all fuckin stupid and makes no sense, and they'll be sitting there making diagrams with straws all day if they try and figure out how it all works. Just accept it, I'm here, let's go on with the plot please. They pulled a similar trick in Terminator: code:
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Milo and POTUS posted:I'm familiar with your post history, yes Was it not Sartre who said "Hell is other people
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:They pulled a similar trick in Terminator: It would amuse the poo poo out of me to see a person coming out of the time travel bubble with their fingernails about halfway gone, the ends of their hair, and their most exterior layer of skin all burning off because it is all dead cells
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rotinaj posted:most exterior layer of skin Horny layer, please And I’m not referring to your mom
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:The mediocre Bruce Willis movie Looper played with this a bit. It's about time travel with a guy going into the past and interacting with his younger self, and they're sitting in a diner talking. The younger self is asking questions about how it works, and Willis tells him that it's all fuckin stupid and makes no sense, and they'll be sitting there making diagrams with straws all day if they try and figure out how it all works. Just accept it, I'm here, let's go on with the plot please. I was about to say it was at least better than mediocre but I do think they went a little nuts at the end didnt they
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rotinaj posted:It would amuse the poo poo out of me to see a person coming out of the time travel bubble with their fingernails about halfway gone, the ends of their hair, and their most exterior layer of skin all burning off because it is all dead cells At least the skin stuff sounds kinda invigorating.
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Time traveling five minutes into the past just to get a nice thorough exfoliation
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I saw Kids in the Hall live like twenty years ago and they did this thing where a guy had a time machine so he could constantly go back in time fifteen minutes and get a never ending blowjob.
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*to the tune of The Neverending Story theme*credburn posted:a never ending blowjob.
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I feel like I've read about the skin thing as a canon part of extended Terminator fiction.
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credburn posted:I saw Kids in the Hall live like twenty years ago and they did this thing where a guy had a time machine so he could constantly go back in time fifteen minutes and get a never ending blowjob. Edging of Tomorrow.
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